Results for 2013 NBA Draft prospects at the pre-Draft Combine in Chicago, Ill.
How come Pierre Jackson does not have any results?
The first thing that jumps out at me is McLemore's lane agility time is significantly slower than Bazz, Ledo and KCP.
In fact, he's somehow slower than Adams.
Obviously the verticals are nice though.
I watched when he did the lane agility test he didn't seem to be going all out. which might be a bad sign by itself.
Yeah, it was a little weird. He wasn't going all out, maybe he's saving it for individual workouts, but regarless, I don't know why he'd even put a slow number like that in someone's head when he could have done better. He's a gym rat, but it's just another "lapse" in concentration for people to talk about.
Schroeder, Dennis 3.21 11.09 2.86 30 34
Carter-Williams, Michael 3.22 10.68 3.7 31.5 41
Burke, Trey 3.16 11.2 3.01 29.5 36.5
McCollum, CJ 3.32 11.02 2.91 32 38.5
Siva, Peyton 3.16 10.59 2.93 33.5 41.5
Larkin, Shane 3.08 10.64 3.03 34.5 44
Mmmh. I'm not really smarter after looking at this numbers. Larkins vertical is absolutely insane and there are a lot of really good athletes around but overall I can't say who is the best athlete out of this group. Burke did all right to me. A little disappointed in Schröder. He is very thin but somewhere in the category with the other guys. Maybe this whole thing is totall overrated to some degree.
I hope to see this guys going at each other in some workouts!
athletic testing results can be misleading. It all depends on how the player is able to explode and use that vertical or athleticism in a game.
True say. Zeller apparently has a monster no step vert but sure doesn't play like it.
I think people need to understand why a high pure vertical score doesn't translate to the game. It has to do with how quickly they can get up; the best leapers have short femurs and long lower-legs, they don't need to squat down as low to reach their max vertical.
So with Zeller, he has a great no-step and max-vertical, but you can see him jumping from a mile away, and usually get up to block it (which Syracuse did repeatedly), whereas a guy like Griffin might not have the highest vertical we've ever seen, but can jump so quickly he elevates over the top of people.
Same thing with Vince Carter and Wiggins, they don't go very low before they elevate, so their jumping is a lot more effective.
You'd learn a lot more about someone's explosiveness by looking at their jumping mechanics and how quickly they get up instead of their pure vertical numbers.
So yeah, I wouldn't be too excited about Zeller, he's not an explosive leaper, despite his numbers.
To get a better idea of how athletic somebody is they'd really need to measure the amount of quick twitch muscle fibers a player has. Zeller isn't really a quick twitch athlete so he's not able to use these measurements in game that well.
I think he'll be able to use his quickness just fine. He has a very good first step. Laterally, you can see he has quick feet as well. The only thing I question about him athletically is his strength and his quick 2nd and 3rd jumping ability.
Also, I don't think his max vert will lead to him having an easier time finishing over length. I think he'll still have to use angles and quick shoot in the paint.
Well put, you are 100% right. I used to high jump so all we would do is study jump mechanics, a long lower leg and big feet paired with good fast twitch muscle fibers give you the best jumpers, off one leg too.
Zeller has a really strong lower body and torso, it's pretty evident when you look at his calves. He's one of those guys who can probably squat over 400 lbs despite his height, and guys who can squat a lot compared to their body weight can propel their body high in the air from a stationary place. Believe it or not, many short stocky powerlifters have verticals in the mid-30's and low 40's but it's because they weigh 250 lbs or so, but are squatting 600 lbs.
Zeller does have explosive qualities in his athletic ability, in my opinion, he can change directions very quickly and he's a good sprinter. One of the best sprinters in this draft class, but you're right he's not a quick leaper, which is why his rebounding numbers might be a little low, but still after watching him workout....that guy should have been pulling down 10 rpg per night. We're kind of nitpicking his very very good natural athletic ability, but he's still a terriffic athlete and 8 rpg seems pretty pedestrian for a guy who can hit 11'9'' from a standing position.
2 Players who the combine really helped in my eyes is CJ McCollum and Allen Crabbe. Great measurements and under rated athletes to go with there college production and shooting ability. McCollum has the looks of a top 5 pick with his measurements proven he's as physically capable as any guard in the draft, and is already more advanced in skill then any other guard.
I fully agree with CJ McCollum.
Look at KCP lane agility time. Better than Oladipo's. That' because he plays on his tippy toes some times.
He has great lateral quickness.
Cj Leslie's lane agility time 10.19, better than anybody.
Could he guard SFs in the league?
Obviously zeller is extremely quick, anyone can see that, butI've always felt Zeller had good leaping ability, although as pointed out, perhaps he's not a quick leaper.. Particularly remember a game against Michigan where he had multiple dunks where it seemed he was way above the rim, so to me it's not a big surprise. Maybe a bit surprised he got higher than Plumlee though. . Perhaps it's more his rather mediocre wingspan that cause him to sometimes struggle inside as we'll as strength.
Wingspan > Standing Vertical > Running Vertical.
Zeller is giving up 2 to 3 inches in standing reach to the guys he plays against that are his height. He gets back 4 inches from the jump, but it all kind of cancels out.
Also, I suspect Zeller has been training for the combine since his last game. He might even have an agent by now who has hooked him up to new trainers. He is a young guy who is still getting stronger. It is quite possible he has added an inch or two to his jump since the last time we saw him play.
I really think Zeller is selling well.
He was known for having decent footwork and now it seems he has good athleticism to compensate for his T-Rex arms. I think someone will take a chance on him in the 3-8 range. After bulking up a little, he could receive starter minutes.