[Bryant24Participant]

Both of these guys are considered future lottery picks and the future of bug men. Isaiah Ausstin is 7’0 with a very long winspan and he is a very good defender and has the potential to be a better one. He has a very good mid range jumper but he often gets to comfortable with his jump shot and never use post moves in the paint. He is a very good ball handler for his height but he sometimes tries to do to much and sometimes does nothing on offense at all. He is a good rebounder too but he really needs to add weight he has declared to go to Baylor he has been compared to Tyson Chandler and Lamarcus aldrige.

Andre Drummond is a beast playing in the high school levels he is to big and strong for most post players and high school and he runs like deer in transition. He is blessed with phyiscal gifts at age 17 he is already 6’`11 and 275 he can grow a inch and gain weight and still wont lose none of his athleticism. He can really handle the ball and is a decen jump shooter and has very good passing abilites.Already a great shot blocker. Like Isaiah Austin he sometimes get infuated with the perimeter game he often settles for highly contested shots than rather beast his man in the post where he has the clear advantage. He is a good shot blocker but from what I seen he sometimes rely on his shot blocking rather than whole good defense. He has a bright future and can be a #1 pick one day. He has been compared to Amare Stoudamire and Dwight Howard.

 

Here’s footage of Isaiah austin-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gWobH_xtgs

Here’s footage of Andre Drummond-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYlnK-kQuHA

 

 

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I believe Andre Drummond is better and it’s not close

[Bryant24Participant]

Im not ask who better but i truly believe andre drummond is he better one with the most potential I’m just informing you guys about them. How do you embed videos from youtube?

[xavier328Participant]

Andre Drummond is a man-child. hes better

if hes not the number 1 overall pick i would be shocked.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

You embed youtube videos by switching back to the plain text editor, and you do that by looking right under the comment box, and you click "Switch to plain text editor."

[Bryant24Participant]

thanks wizardofoz

[Bryant24Participant]

Isaiah Austin-

Andre Drummond-

[hiphopismylifeParticipant]

Yeah all indications are that Drummond is the next big thing. Austin is scary though with his shooting and ballhandling at that size.

[mini_marzParticipant]

drummand has more potentail… but to me it is only because of the size difference with his weight being a lot higher then austin…. but look at austins skill set…. wft he handles and shoots like he is a 6’6 2gaurd lol that is scary… drummand can dominate with his strength though…. austin has incredible length too… a lot similar to a young kevin durant

[sheltwon3Participant]

Isaiah’s dad was kinda big so maybe Isaiah will put on some more weight later on.

[stanford hoops]

Austin is more of a johnathan bender/Lamar odom/ant Randolph mold then Tyson Chandler. Only think simialr is how skinny they both were at the same stage. If Austin gains weight then the sky is the limit for this kid because he has the ability and potential to play three positions

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Tyson Chandler came into the league as a small forward power forward project too.  People think of how Chandler plays in the NBA and think he was always that way.  When Chandler was in high school he use to take people off the dribble and shoot jump shots too.  Chandler in High School use to stay grabbing a D rebound then dribbling coast to coast for a dunk.

Havin said that Austin’s best case scenario is Lamarcus Aldridge his worse case is Javelle McGee

Drummond’s best case is Amare Stoudemire his worse case is Kenyon Martin.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Tyson Chandler came into the league as a small forward power forward project too.

 

Said who? He was 7-1 at the time. He was a Center.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Says NBA 2k because in his rookie year in that game he was a Small Forward and that was before you could edit your players position so he stayed as a small forward throughout your franchise. 

And The Bulls drafted Eddy Curry too because he was their Center of the future while Chandler was suppose to be the versatile defensive forward.

[stanford hoops]

nba 2k got it wrong. ive seen chandler in hs  a couple times in vegas and in some d.c tournaments with his domingez team he was not handling the ball and shooting jumpers. he posted and dunked. lol.you cant go by video games because alot of it is wrong. more accurate now but back in the day it was wrong alot. some guys were white on the game but black in real life

[stanford hoops]

also still havnt seen drummond play except youtube clips so i dont know much about him besides that and what ive read

[JNixonParticipant]

This man said "NBA2K" was his reason for saying Tyson Chandler was a SF. Wow.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

This man said "NBA2K" was his reason for saying Tyson Chandler was a SF. Wow.

Wowzers.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Dude i know that video games are not always right hence the reason I’m still in the midst of editing every player in 2k11 to be more realistically portrayed.  My point was when they drafted Chandler as an 18 year old high schooler they looked at his athleticism and thought he could play wing if he were to get a better jump shot.  And Chandler in High School did grab rebounds and go coast to coast and sometimes take people off the dribble.  I didn’t say he played like a shooting guard. I just meant that if you were to see his highlight video of High School plays like that would be in there which they are.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

Chandler was so fast and athletic in high school nobody knew what position he would eventually settle into.  The bulls thought he could be a hybrid forward hence the reason they drafte Eddy Curry too so he could play center.  Obviously Chandlers body filled out and he is a legit starting center.  But he came into the league as a project forward.  

Hindsight is like a god who can’t change things.

[stanford hoops]

i dont know where u got that from but there were zero reports of chandler maybe becoming a wing. he didnt have handles or a jump shot. it wasnt like mike beasley or westbrook who showed glimpse of being able to play a different position. since tyson was a freshman he was though to be a center. rarely did anyone even talk about him becoming a pf. hindsite has nothing to do with it. i remember him very vividly because there were write ups about him since he was a 8th grader. he was long and athletic with good shoot blocking, average offense no jumper or handles

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I feel Mr. 19134 but you gotta use that common sense.

Chandler was NEVER a small forward/power forward project.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Okay so what you are saying then is that the Bulls drafted 2 players in the top 4 of the draft who they knew were going to be true centers in the league?  Or are you saying that the fat un-athletic even in high school chubby slow footed Eddy Curry is who the Bulls thought would play power forward?

Common sense guys the Bulls didn’t think they were drafting 2 Centers or they would of never drafted both of them they would of drafted Pau (who also was viewed as a tweener forward coming into the league) or Eddie Griffen the number one power forward in college basketball at the time.

You really think the Bulls knew there were getting 2 centers and not a center and a power forward?  Like with the top 2 picks in the draft you really think that>?

[Mr. 19134Participant]

You don’t understand how naive GM"S were at that time trying to project the next superstar out of high school because of KG, Kobe, and T-Mac.  Look at some of the scouting reports from back then:

http://www.foulshots.com/Analysis/2001nbadraftscouting.htm

5. Tyson Chandler (7-0 1/2 225 lbs.) Compton Dominguez HS
Positives: Chandler has been called the next Lew Alcindor since he was in middle school. A remarkable athlete with the speed and agility of a guard, Chandler is not the protoypical post player. He shoots the ball fairly well from the perimeter and can even hit shots from beyond the college three-point line. Chandler also passes and handles the ball pretty well for a man his size. His height and wingspan will allow him to dominate the backboards and intimidate shooters with his shotblocking.
Negatives: Although he hasn’t exactly regressed since appearing on the prospect radar, Chandler’s game has not exactly improved by leaps and bounds during the past two years. Perhaps he has not been sufficiently challenged by his high school competition. Due to his slight physique, Chandler eschews playing with his back to the basket and prefers to instead roam the perimeter. Defensively, Chandler gets pulverized by physical opponents and needs to add much more strength and weight in order to play center or power forward at the NBA level. The similarly sized but vastly more talented Kevin Garnett absolutely dominated his peers as a senior in high school, but Chandler has not done the same despite his great physical ability and the fact that he played for a very talented high school team.
Prognosis: Chandler is not the next Lew Alcindor, but perhaps he can develop into a mobile power forward like Rasheed Wallace. Chandler has the frame to get bigger and his great speed, size and skill level make him worth a gamble as a high lottery pick. Peak Projection: 17 ppg 7 rpg 3 bpg

1. Kwame Brown (6-11 240 lbs.) Glynn Academy (HS)
Positives: The most gifted player in the draft, Brown is a great athlete with exceptional basketball skills. He can handle the ball like a guard and has a good-looking stroke from 15 to 17 feet. Brown also has good floor vision and passes extremely well. Brown is currently at his best when he faces up and takes people off the dribble using an excellent crossover dribble. Defensively, Brown is a devastating shotblocker with superb leaping ability, timing and reach. Because of his combination of size, strength and skill, Brown is often compared to Chris Webber and Kevin Garnett. At this point, Brown has a much more NBA-ready physique than Garnett had coming out of high school.
Negatives: Unfortunately, Brown does not enjoy posting up offensively and takes far too many three-pointers. Despite Garnett-level skills, Brown has yet to demonstrate the burning competitiveness that Garnett exhibited at the same stage of development.
Prognosis: Perhaps the best way to describe Kwame Brown is to say that he has the frame and physical skills of an Antonio McDyess and the basketball skills of a young Danny Manning. Brown could develop into a potential franchise player if he works hard on his game. Peak Projection: 22 ppg 10 rpg 4 apg 2.5 bpg

 

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 And yes Pau Gasol was viewed as a forward project also.  People thought that they could play him at either small forward or center.  Remember when the Grizzlies drafted him they had Drew Gooden playing small forward…How much we forget how the NBA has changed…

11. Pau Gasol (7-0 227 lbs.) Barcelona
Positives: Gasol is a player with the height of a center and the skills of a guard. He can shoot the long-range jumper and handle the ball effectively. Like many finesse Euro big men, Gasol passes the ball very well and enjoys that part of the game.
Negatives: Gasol has never been known for his passion for the game and is not considered a fierce competitor. His physical strength and bulk are both subpar. Although he is fairly mobile for a 7-footer, Gasol does not possess the footspeed or quickness of a player like Tyson Chandler or Eddie Griffin. This lack of true quickness will be quickly exposed on the defensive end, where he will be unable to guard anyone.
Prognosis: Gasol is considered one of the finest talents in Europe and will unquestionably become a true NBA player. However, the comparisons to Dirk Nowitzki may be overzealous. It should definitely be noted that most European finesse big men are too soft to dominate in the way that the gifted Nowitzki now does. Still, the addition of zone defenses to the NBA next season will make zone-busting shooters like Gasol very valuable.

[stanford hoops]

who ever did that scouting report was a dummy. tyson could never shoot and never had handles. the thought was trying tyson as a pf because he was athletic. twin towers have been tried plenty of times in the nba (ralph sampson,the dream-david robinson, duncan

its just like scouting reports that say a guy can play 5 positions when anyone whos watched knows its false. just because a big man can handle the ball doesnt mean they can play a bunch of positions. i used to watch( and played) against odom and although he could bring the ball up the court and had a ok jumper he could not be a full time or part time point guard or shooting guard.

its common to believe scouting reports unless you have seen for youre self, we all do it but im sure  if you would have seen tyson in hs you would know that scouting report is in correct. much easier to believe it is incorrect because back then the scouting wasnt as intense as it is now. some scouts would go to a game or  and a big man or a guard who cant shoot could have a adnormally good shooting game.

the best way is to either watch a kid or read scouting reports from different scouts and see the common theme. if one scout says a big man can handle the ball and is a ok shooter but 5 others say he has no shot and cant really handle and the 5 others are services like draftexpress,hoopscooponline,rivals,scouts.com then its common sense to know whats what

ive watched chandler a couple of times (3 times while in cali when my brother was in lakers vet camp) and nothing you post is gonna convince me tyson had a jumper or handles

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 You are right.  I never said I believed myself he had a jumper or could shoot.  If you reread what I wrote i said "what people were saying at the time."

By people I mean casual basketball fans who just wanna talk like they know something.  I remember that draft vividly and that time period too because I was just a freshman in High School when Eddie Griffin was a senior and I sat on the bench and watched him dominate my high school.  Griffin lead the nation in blocked shots as a freshman at Seton Hall and was a 20 and 10 guy.  

But that time period was different.  Most teams were still playing slowball and thinking big.  Having a PG drafted first was unfathomable with the exception of Allen Iverson who was never really a PG anyway.

I remember the Rockets even played Griffin at SF when he played the Sixers because he had such a good 3 point shot.  His lack of lateral quickness wasn’t exposed as much on defense because Larry Brown ran a slow half court offense and all Griffen had to do was guard George Lynch while he got in position for an offensive rebound because Iverson shot the ball every possession.  

You had guys like Anthony Mason and before him Larry Johnson playing small forward who today would have no bussiness playing on the perimeter.

The thought was that if you could guard a position, you could play that position.  Watching Tyson Chandler in H.S. he was so thin but athletic they thought he would be better suited guarding forwards.  And his combine numbers were right on par with small forwards at that time. They thought they could draft this "raw" HS prospect and like silly puddy mold him into whatever they wanted.

I remember that Tyson Chandler and Pau Gasol were listed as SF’s in 2k because I had a franchise with the Grizzlies and traded for Tyson and put him at Center and had Pau play PF.  It bothered me because the computer would readjust the lineup all the time to put Pau or Tyson at SF when it was clear they lacked the skill set or athleticism to play SF.

I always thought Tyson was a center because I thought he was gonna become a Dikembe like player in the league.  I thought Chandler could lead the league in blocks and rebounds.  Plus he had more then enough length to be an all star center and the weight would come.  I dunno why tho Chandler never developed into a dominant shot blocker.  It still puzzles me how he don’t average at least 2 a game.

 

[omar dayzeParticipant]

Isaiah Austin may develop into a star, but theres no way in hell hes getting on the cover of a videogame… unless its about aliens. 

[stanford hoops]

I’m pretty sure alot of people said that about Kobe before his sr year. Not saying he’s Kobe but Kobe wasn’t considered future video game cover at the same stage

[HitsterParticipant]

Interesting to see that Chandler was compared to Rasheed Wallace and in his entire career Tyson is 0 from 6 from the 3 point line. Tyson has the athletic ability to play either PF or C but I would never say he could be an SF as he’d be wasted away from the paint. He has put up good rebounding stats but I agree with the person who said he could average 2bpg.

Considering that this is Tyson’s 10th season in the NBA, it’s amazing that he has only just turned 28 years old. Being in contract year he’ll need to put up good performances with the massive carrot that Dallas could resign him to one of Mark Cuban’s generous contracts.

As regards Austin and Drummond, I favour Drummond who could be a very similar player to DeMarcus Cousins as they both progress and both could be challenging to be the next elite scoring big. Austin will have a lot of fans given his ball handling skills if you consider how much Greg Monroe’s skillset interested GM’s this summer and add on he is a legit 7 footer so you get all the defensive upside thrown in as well.

 

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 It’s gonna be interesting to see how much Austins body develops, he is obviously longer then Drummond.  Just by the eye test Austin looks to be 2 inches taller.  But you never know, Austin has a very intriquing skill set, I think he could play PG in the pros….JK!!!….But he does looks to be a PF/C tweener.  It don’t look like he would have the leteral quickness to guard small forward.   

If Drummond don’t develop into a number one pick i’ll be really surprised.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 It’s gonna be interesting to see how much Austins body develops, he is obviously longer then Drummond.  Just by the eye test Austin looks to be 2 inches taller.  But you never know, Austin has a very intriquing skill set, I think he could play PG in the pros….JK!!!….But he does looks to be a PF/C tweener.  It don’t look like he would have the leteral quickness to guard small forward.   

If Drummond don’t develop into a number one pick i’ll be really surprised.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 It’s gonna be interesting to see how much Austins body develops, he is obviously longer then Drummond.  Just by the eye test Austin looks to be 2 inches taller.  But you never know, Austin has a very intriquing skill set, I think he could play PG in the pros….JK!!!….But he does looks to be a PF/C tweener.  It don’t look like he would have the leteral quickness to guard small forward.   

If Drummond don’t develop into a number one pick i’ll be really surprised.

[RafterParticipant]

1. Kwame Brown (6-11 240 lbs.) Glynn Academy (HS)
Positives: The most gifted player in the draft, Brown is a great athlete with exceptional basketball skills. He can handle the ball like a guard and has a good-looking stroke from 15 to 17 feet.

 

LOLOLOL

Back on-topic, Drummond looks like the next great big man to come through, he would be a complete steal if he doesn’t get picked #1, potentially, he could be insane. I think he can be a face of a franchise for many years, but let’s see how he turns out during his time at HS and College, it’s too early to tell but, the early signs are very exciting.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

Mr.193468186165…….the last two days you’ve stated that "Manny Harris can become a an OSCAR ROBERTSON type player" in Cleveland, and now you’re saying Tyson Chandler was a SF/PF project coming into the league because of a video game.  You need to find a new hobby.  Those are some short bus type comments.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 @ Uncle Buskshot 

Are you really that highstrung?

First off the Manny Harris post was obviously a joke I was so bored at the time and i knew people would freak out so I thought it would be funny to say "Manny Harris will pick up in Cleveland right where Lebron left off and he could have an Oscar Robertson like Impact on that team…"

Are you that retarded to think I was serious.  If somebody like OrangeJuiceJones wrote it people would probaly be off over his D!ick like hahaha this was a boring thread and that made me laugh.

That was sarcastic and even the video game statement was saracastic were half sarcastic.  Tyson Chanlder and Pau Gasol were both viewed coming into the league as Tweener forward and I gave you the link to an old mock draft that was saying Pau was a zone busting shooter and comparing Tyson Chanlder to Rasheed Wallace.  But maybe you are too young to remember those days.  Back at the turn of the century the league wasn’t as fast paced.  A lot of people thought that Chandler could develop into a combo forward because he had the athleticism to guard other small forward at the time.  

But I already explained myself go back and read the post.  

And get a sense of humor you people are so uptight.

And raping me on my points over an obvious joke is a homo move

and my name aint hard its five numbers 19134 that would be a zip code

If you google 19134 just those numbers you will see where i live.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 @ Uncle Buskshot 

Are you really that highstrung?

First off the Manny Harris post was obviously a joke I was so bored at the time and i knew people would freak out so I thought it would be funny to say "Manny Harris will pick up in Cleveland right where Lebron left off and he could have an Oscar Robertson like Impact on that team…"

Are you that retarded to think I was serious.  If somebody like OrangeJuiceJones wrote it people would probaly be off over his D!ick like hahaha this was a boring thread and that made me laugh.

That was sarcastic and even the video game statement was saracastic were half sarcastic.  Tyson Chanlder and Pau Gasol were both viewed coming into the league as Tweener forward and I gave you the link to an old mock draft that was saying Pau was a zone busting shooter and comparing Tyson Chanlder to Rasheed Wallace.  But maybe you are too young to remember those days.  Back at the turn of the century the league wasn’t as fast paced.  A lot of people thought that Chandler could develop into a combo forward because he had the athleticism to guard other small forward at the time.  

But I already explained myself go back and read the post.  

And get a sense of humor you people are so uptight.

And raping me on my points over an obvious joke is a homo move

and my name aint hard its five numbers 19134 that would be a zip code

If you google 19134 just those numbers you will see where i live.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Oh and uncle buckshot I already graduated went to Temple U. and I’m now In the Army so upgrade that to a fully armored humvee or better yet an mrap…and my avatar is the Engineer crescent you might actually wanna know who you’re talking about before you do.

 

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Oh and uncle buckshot I already graduated went to Temple U. and I’m now In the Army so upgrade that to a fully armored humvee or better yet an mrap…and my avatar is the Engineer crescent you might actually wanna know who you’re talking about before you do.

 

[stanford hoops]

Whoever compared Chandler to Rasheed should have been shot because Tyson could never ever ever shoot

[stanford hoops]

Whoever compared Chandler to Rasheed should have been shot because Tyson could never ever ever shoot

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

http://www.ballislife.com/video/7-isaiah-austin-vs-610-andre 

Right now they are ranked as #1 and #2 on ESPN’s Top 100, and they went up against each other at Pangos. Dave Telep said that Andre got the better of the match-up and was just too physical, and he was also being quite assertive. He did say that Isaiah was the better shot blocker of the two. 

[paradigmnParticipant]

DAMN…those games are happening now….good job on the post MIKEY!!! got sum big names there…SHABAZZ MUHAMMAD, BRADON ASHLEY, CAMRON RIDLEY, RICARDO GATHERS, ANTHONY BENNET and so on…glad to see ANDRE DRUMMOND is finally being aggressive….that seems to be the main flaw in his game.

[aamir543Participant]

@xavier328, two years ago, wouldn’t we have been shocked if Jeremy Tyler didn;t go top 5? Now he isn’t even the top 25.

[cward23Participant]

I’m at the Pango’s now. Drummond was the better big man of the two and has a good 50 pounds on Austin. Austin is the better shot blocker and ball handler,shooter. The best player on the floor was this Kid named A. Bennett. Straight MONSTER. Think Amare body,hops,Paul P handles and joe Johnson jumper. Not sure why this kid is ranked as low as he is but this summer he has destroyed who ever has been put in front of him.

Shabazz is unstoppable

[paradigmnParticipant]

 dude def a stud…named tourny MVP along with Drummond and Shabazz….http://yfrog.com/h0dcodwpj

[paradigmnParticipant]

 #1 player in nation by rivals ISAIAH AUSTIN didn’t even make the all-star game!!!

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