if he had the dedication, the competitiveness and the right spirit... cause he has very similar special physical and athletic tools like the dream, and he does play the game with admirable elegance, smart and unselfishness for a bigman, the problem with Drummond other than his shooting(that can be fix with persevere cause he has nice touch) is that he's so much passive, react with sheepishness and with bad intuition most of the time, lack the spontaneous state of the game...
i hope for Andre that he will hire a good mental coach to make him approach the game with will imposing and free mind!
I'm blaming mikeyv for this one too.
Have no idea how I could have caused this disaster.
Its too early to make that comparison, to be like The Dream, you need a supreme skillset, and a special talent in the footwork department, let alone BKB IQ.
The Dream could pass, shoot the midrange, post up like no other in the History of the NBA.
I see vast potential in Drummond, he could be similar to Dwight, but not the Dream, dont think is even funny to make this comparison.
He has potential..But Drummond doesnt have the post presence Olajuwon had!!!!
Olajuwon was 1 of the 3 best post players in nba history....Drummond's post game is a work in progress.....
Which one of these three is Hakeem better than?
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
We can play the "IF" game with just about anything. Bottom line is he will never be anywhere close to the Dream. Not to say he doesn't have great potential and could be a good player. But Hakeem Olajuwon come on now man!
The guy is shooting 30% from the FT line now for two seasons in a row. How in the world do you get that he has "a nice touch"? Seriously, what do you think "nice touch" means? What do you base your statement on? I don't think I've never seen him hit a jumper from more than 15 feet.
How about this. Drummond might be a starting center in the NBA four years from now. That is what we are waiting to find out. Him being the next Dream is a joke. Dream could probably out play him right now over a seven game playoff series.
30% from the FT line but 100% from 3 for his career!
seriously now, it's theoretical when i see his form, he did show promise of relative nice touch up to 8-10 feet(look at his Kings Pre-Draft Workout) that maybe could be extend a little.
Drummond never played wit Hakeems level of grace and coordination but there is one rare rookie that does...Anthony Davis is the next Dream. Drummond is more Bynum at best case.
Personally, I really like DeAndre Jordan comparisons. Horrible shot. Solid D. Great athleticism.
i think there is still hope for drummond. its only his first year and he is still raw. that nastyness can be pulled out of him. ifi i were the pistons i would pay the money to hakeem and tell him to coach drummond hard on the post moves and maybe rough him up a little to get him to become more mean in the post. he has the potential to be a new breed of center. he just has to much of a teen attitude now. remember he is still only 18. and was in high school not too long ago. i still beleive in this kid.
Although the Dream/Drummond comparison is a bit ridiculous, there is some truth to what the OP said. Superstars or elite players play with a certain level of supreme confidence and initiative. Drummond appears to lack that confidence and self assuredness needed to reach that level. He does react sheepishly and gets down on himself easily if things aren't going his way... at least that's what he showed at UConn. Maybe he could develop that mentality later as his skills improve, but the early indications are not good.
Worst comparison ever .... Drummond would have had to develop the footwork early to be like the dream for example Dream played soccer before he ever touched a basketball .... and Drummond has never developed a decent shooting routine he has depended on his physical tools to dominate other players but Hakeem developed his offensive game with Moses Malone in his second year in college ...
all in all what i meant to say is that Drummond upon his elite phisical tools does have in him a magnificent ability, he has elegance and smart way of blocking shots or playing defense, show on offense he has finesse with the ball and his movement... but like i said right now Drummond is unrefined and mainly repressed mentaly so he can't turn what he has in him to effective game... all we can do his to be sorry that this king of supreme and special talent go to waste.
Meyers Leonard could of been the next David Robinson
Meyers Leonard is a big time athlete and also playing hard, but lack any offensive ability talent, can't creat offense and doesn't have one move or play with the ball that he can perform in a high level.
I disagree with that. I think he's more advanced than Drummond is offensively, but understandably is not having any plays run for him because he has trouble holding his position in the post. If you watched Meyers last year, he does have a good understanding of post play and solid moves as well. He knows how to utilize fakes and counter moves. His touch on his jump hook is really good, he can also hit the open mid-range jumper and he makes his FTs. He's also a pretty solid passer as well which stems from him growing up as a guard until his growth spurt. Right now he's just feeling his way and playing the "energy big" role off the bench, but he's capable of more.
I would link to a video displaying his skill level, but then I'd be linking to a possible rival site.
Meyers is very much raw offensively, he does have a good touch for a seven footer but he can't make an effective scoring plays when he's getting the ball whether if it in the low post or the high post, his moves are sluggish and predictable, he doesn't shoot the ball comfortable enough after his moves - lack of poise, right now he's good only for catch and finish plays or dunks, and i don't think he ever will become an offensive threat cause even though he trying hard he just dosn't have the pure feel, as a player i see him become more to a combination of Robin Lopez and Ian Mahinmi.
I'll just have to disagree. What he lacks is lower body strength, which inhibits him from holding position in the post right now (something he can improve upon physically), but he does have offensive skill. Last year he showed an ability to utilize shoulder fakes and turn over either shoulder, quick pop up jumpers in the short range off of flex cuts, baby hooks and even a mid-range jumper. He also showed a basic understanding of reading the defense from the post and getting the ball to where it needs to go. Skillwise he showed a lot more than Drummond did last yr.
Here's a vid of some of those things he put on display last yr where he shows a basic understanding of counter moves.
His passing ability here.
you can see that even in college when he was scoring a little againt a weak competition he was very raw and out of balance, never had one consistent move he make effective.
He actually did have a go to move and that was his left shoulder jump hook which he has great touch on. After that went down a couple of times, that's when he'd start using shoulder fakes and counters. Unlike Drummond, Meyers actually has an idea in the post. Players who are clueless and have no moves in the post don't pull off dream shake, turnaround jumpers over their right shoulder fluidly like Meyers did over Robert Sacre. He has the basics of post play down, while he also showed flashes of advanced stuff such as double counters and reading doubles. Of course he needs refinement as he's still green, but more importantly, he needs to develop a stronger base.
Leonard's hook looked legit but everything else looked off-balance or awkward. The difference between Drummond and Leonard is that Leonard is essentially two years older and he was actually given an opportunity to post up for Illinois, where Drummond was not because everything went through the guards at U-Conn. Despite that, the difference in their post abilties isn't catastrophic, and Drummond is already outproducing him and getting better at a faster rate. There really is no debate over who the better overall player is going to be.
Leonard is 7 months older than Drummond and Meyers hardly played as a freshman. The difference b/t the 2 in the post in college was that Leonard actually showed an ability to post and have an offense ran through him, despite the terrible spacing since the Illini couldn't shoot. Drummond didn't show a willingness or the skill to be a post option in college. He did a poor job establishing and fighting for position. He'd allow himself to get pushed off the block by guys he had a massive size advantage against. He also showed no feel at all in the post. He didn't even have a jump hook, instead he preferred to shoot this weird 2 handed, fading turnaround shot after not creating any space at all. I mean he was a guy who could get his shot over anyone if he'd just turn and elevate straight up, and he had the strength to power through contact...yet he was shooting low % fadeaways, without even trying to get his man off-balance? He didn't show much post ability in prep school either, preferring to play in space and just be a finisher (kinda like what he's still doing today)...even dabbling in trying to present himself as a player with SF skills.
The question wasn't about who the better player is or who the better player will be. We were talking strictly about offense and Meyers showed more offensive skill and a better understanding of the game than Drummond
Leonard turns 21 in three months, Drummond doesn't turn 20 until August. That is not 7 months. Anyways, I agree Leonard has the better feel, and understanding of the post, but it's not by soom extreme margin. Drummond wasn't really asked to do anything offensively except set picks, and get rebounds. When he did attempt posting up they wouldn't get him the ball, you're underrating his ability there, because he wasn't too bad at it. They both have awkward moves in the paint, except Leonard has one consistent move as opposed to Drummond's zero.
Yeah you're right about the age, for some reason I was just counting months.
I just don't think Drummond was asked to do much on offense because he couldn't do much, which is the same reason why I don't get it when people say that he needs more touches now. More touches... to do what? Last year it didn't even look like he wanted the ball in a position where he'd have to create his own offense. He lacked confidence, in large part due to his terrible FT shooting, but also because you could tell he wasn't used to or comfortable with battling hard for position, and if he made early mistakes he'd get down on himself easily.
Unless it was a quick catch, turn and shoot, I thought Drummond's post game was non-existent. I mean, he didn't even have a jump hook. What kind of 6'11 275+ kid doesn't at least have a baby hook? The lack of moves, footwork, the awkward hanging fadeaway shots, the fact that he never tried to get his man off balance with an initial move, his reluctance to do work early, not knowing how to create space using his body, etc. Some of this is pretty basic stuff and he didn't even show that. He still doesn't. This kid has the strength and mass to bury people after getting early, deep position. But he doesn't because he either doesn't know how to or because he's reluctant to.
no one can ever be "the dream" best center to ever play the game of basketball in my opinion...shaq is a close second. but honestly how did you even compare drummond with the dream? do you even watch the kid play? he gets lost on offense at times and no low post play whatsoever he is just a physical specimen...nonetheless i hope his career pans out but seriously the dream? more like hasheem thabeet but 4 inches shorter
jahlils game reminds me more of the dream. he just does not have the athletisism. but his post moves are great for his age and they have a certain uniqueness to them. and he is an underated defender.
i normally never insult or critize other users.... but u need to get the fck out.... and ur "knowledge" some where else.... what a stupid ass post
but lets first wait until he gets 25 minutes in a game
Did anybody see Anthony Davis tonight drop over 20 points for the 3rd consecutive game he played fully?
I've been comparing Davis to the Dream since halfway through his freshman year at Kentucky once I started to realize he has a much larger offensive arsenal then Coach Cal let him display. Now that Davis is the face of the Hornets franchise people are going to start to understand what I was talking about because Davis can score inside and out, and has that Dream level of speed and coordination in the post.
I lost a lot of points for comparing Anthony Davis, to a pre-injury Ralph Sampson.
Who are you telling I lost a ton of points when I initially compared Davis to Hakeem last year before the tourney even started. All people kept telling was Davis can only dunk and I kept saying you're either blind or dumb or both because he possess way more skills then that.
Thus far through 3 games Davis is averaging 17 ppg in only 26 mpg and believe me both of them are only going to go up. I would be surprised if he didn't average atleast 20ppg this year. And he's hitting his outside shots.
R a few u the wurst posters on here......
Lolol. How did nbanflguy, Y2G, and I get on this post?
I don't think Drummond is getting enough credit for his underrated ballhandling and passing. The man hasn't really showed it much, but he actually can take people off the dribble, simply not consistently yet. I don't really like the Jordan comparisons. The only thing I would compare the two would be that Drummond will be more like an Amare type (probably his post prime skillset) and his D will be more like Howards as he simply seems to have better awarness than Jordan.
As for the Dream comparisons, GTFO! There will probably never be another player to have the Elite skillset. Post foowork that you see from Kobe nowadays mixed with a Pau Gasol-like array of moves, quickness like Amare, jumper like Bosh, defense of Dwight, and the IQ of Tim Duncan, all rolled into one player. Insanity. Drummond could NEVER be Hakeem. Simply not in the same conversation.
Post foowork that you see from Kobe nowadays mixed with a Pau Gasol-like array of moves, quickness like Amare, jumper like Bosh, defense of Dwight, and the IQ of Tim Duncan, all rolled into one player.
That one player is Anthony Davis. You don't have to believe me, just witness...
I simply don't ever see Davis as being capable of being a physical enough player the way Hakeem was. Not to mention, even though he is a great shotblocker, I simply never see him being the defender the The Dream was. The man averaged between 20 and 28 PPG for 13 years straight while having career highs of 14 RPG while never going below 11RPG for 12 straight years, career highs of 4.6 BPG and 2.6 SPG. Even with those incredible numbers, the man was still able to have an offense ran through him consistently found average a shade under 4 APG for 4 straight years. Than man was simply too much for Davis or Drummond to live up to. They simply would have an almost impossible mountain to climb and anything less than Hakeem would be a let down. We should be happy if he can have career similar to Bosh offensively and Prime Camby defensively.
@Iguapops I understand fully what you're saying because unlike a ton of people on this forum I'm old enough to remenber to the Golden Years of Big Men in the 90's. I remember Ewing and Mourning going at it, and Hakeem and Robinson. I think Hakeem was the greatest Center of all time from a skill standpoint. Wilt and Shaq were more dominate but Hakeem had all the grace and skill that was never seen before from that position and has never since.
So I'm just telling you from experience that Anthony Davis is the closest thing to Hakeem Olujuawon since Hakeem himself. It's not just that Davis is the closest thing, it's that he is the only thing since Hakeem to resemble him. Anthony Davis has a rare blend of length, grace, coordination, creativity, quickness, balance, moxy and poise.
Another thing to note because you brought up the Dreams numbers is that all of them stats were inflated. They had more possessions per game in the 90's believe it or not with all them big men. If you look at stats based on per 100 possessions you'll understand what I mean.
It's also important to note that Davis through 3 games has only played in 26 mpg and is still averaging 17ppg, 9rpg, 2.7bpg, and 1.7 spg. And what happens to big men with more experience later in the season? They get better.
Davis is already putting up numbers that most people didn't think he was capabale of and he has barely got his feet wet. I remember arguing with people on here who thought Davis' career high in PPG was only going to be around 17 and he would never average 20 because he can only dunk. SMH....
And I like the comparison of Davis to Bosh on offense and Camby on defense, I've been saying that for a while now. But the one thing we're forgetting is that Davis is a much better interior scorer then Bosh ever was. Did you see the scoring display he put on after that fight with Mullens last night? Very Dream-esque
Guy iz the next kg
I can appreciate your stance on this 19134, I just have to respectfully disagree. Personally, Davis still just reminds me more of KG. Hakeem and Davis simply score around the basket differently IMO. The dream would Dream Shake you with a birrage of spins, fakes and footwork so beautiful you'd think think it were an agnel playing basketball. Truely poetry in motion. I agree Davis is a better interior scorer than Bosh, and that his interior scoring is more The Kid, than The Dream. I believe you are basing this comparison more on the idea that The Brow develops the same kind of skillset in the post as either Hakeem(low) or KG (high).
When thinking about Davis, you have to remember he is still a "Sophmore" in college. Hakeem played three years in college before joining NBA. And even then, when he came into the league there was a question if his offense was going to be much more than dunks. The Dream Shake that folks remember was something it took him a few years into his NBA career to develop and make a real weapon.
Davis is very much a work in progress, but don't sleep on him eventually being the complete package or maybe even something we haven't really seen before. Maybe the best comparison is going to be a super athletic Kevin McHale. Maybe he will never develop a jump shot and he will "just" end up dunking a lot. Dunking on offense is a really really good thing. Especially if the other team can't stop you from getting many dunks over the course of a game.