I have been a fan of inside play for as long as I can remember. Feel basketball is best played from the inside-out and that while the game has changed, having solid interior play can help a team exponentially. This may be one of the reasons I became a fan of the concept of drafting a player like Andre Drummond.
Yes, he scared me a tad. His freshman year at UConn was a bumpy ride, mixed with some solid performances (holding his own against Bernard James, beasting on Kevin Jones, outplaying Fab Melo in all 3 match-ups) along with some major downers (the "who is Herb Pope?" Seton Hall game, his exit in Iowa State, a particularly poor Marquette showing). He did not always box out, sometimes seemed lost offensively and did not have the impact that a player of his size, athletic gifts would be thought to have. Heck, Aran gave him a "7" rebounding rating, which was probably due to his pedestrian defensive board numbers.
A few things I did see were a guy who could be a physically imposing presence. I saw a kid who could play a number of minutes without getting tired. The ability to defend the pick-and-roll, as well as someone who was usually asked to move around quite a bit defensively rather than being the middle of a zone and blocking anything at the rim. Drummond's freshman year was challenging, but he was being challenged. Add in his quickness, monster length and athleticism (I do not care about his combine vertical #, I do not know many people getting to a higher point with the ball in the air), you could see some big time potential for a player in the middle.
Well, as has been noted many times on this board, Andre is having a very nice rookie season. He worked out with "the Hoops whisperer" Idan Ravin and once he fell on draft night, with tears streaming down his face, he obviously took a course of action rather than remorse. Drummond has far exceeded my expectations for his rookie season and while I do not know if he will live up to the incredibly lofty comparisons of Dwight Howard or Amare Stoudemire, I think he can become one of the better centers in the league and give the Pistons a huge advantage down low.
I was telling another board member that since December 1, here are the statistics of Andre Drummond along side those of a player I believe he can far exceed, DeAndre Jordan:
Drummond: 24 games, 21.9 mpg, 8.6 ppg, 8.4 rpg (3.1 orpg), 2 bpg, 0.7 topg, 63.8% FG, 42.6% FT
Jordan: 28 games, 23.5 mpg, 8 ppg, 6.9 rpg (2.5 orpg), 1.2 bpg, 1.3 topg, 58.6% FG, 39.8% FT
They are both in different situations, especially Andre usually having to face largely 2nd unit players, just found it an interesting comparison and think it at the very least exceeds Jordan's first few seasons in the league. Also, Detroit is 9-4 in their last 13 games, with Drummond averaging 23 mpg, 9.8 ppg, 9.5 rpg (3.3 orpg), 2.1 bpg on 67.9% FG (with 5 double-doubles). As far as his "motor" is concerned (a word, as most people know, I am not a fan of), seems to be working quite well. Also, if you point to fouls, Drummond and Jordan each averaged 2.2 over that December span.
So, looks like some teams are going to regret passing on this big man. Yes, he still has quite a ways to go and the foul shooting is still moderately atrocious. He will need to go to work in the off-season and not get a big head, plus hopefully not succumb to the dreaded injuries that have taken down plenty a big man. However, at the very least, he looks well on his way to being one of those centers who really helps their team to wins. Drummond may not be a Howard, but if you can get a Nene or Tyson Chandler type impact, many teams would gladly spend a top 5 pick on that.
It is difficult not to look at this years draft and think Drummond would be in talks for the first pick. I think it was probably a blessing in disguise that he entered early and dropped, as it was a huge wake-up call. His fall on draft day may very well be the reason he is playing with much more confidence and awareness than he had in his lone season in college. Also hard to believe that he would not have had a much better sophomore season at UConn, just think that looks like he landed in a really nice situation.
I know that the Pistons were given a lot of flack by some board members for not playing Drummond more early on. Well, it looks like it has not really hurt him any and that the Pistons method has worked quite nicely. They are steadily building up his PT and I will post his highlights from the last two games, both W's by the Pistons. He was voted by the fans as player of the game both times, might not have completely been the case but cannot blame the fans for loving what they see out of their rookie center.
Andre went for 16, 7 and 1 on 5/6 FG and 6/8 FT(!!!!) in 21 minutes in a 103-88 win over Boston. Than, last night he went for 11 and 11 with a couple of blocks and steals in a 105-90 win over Orlando. If you had to make an All-Rookie 1st Team, would be really difficult to name 5 players having a better rookie season than Drummond. I doubt too many people believe their are 8 players with a brighter NBA future than this potential Pistons draft steal.
Drummond vs. Celtics:
Drummond vs. Magic:
What I love most about Andre is his knack of grabbing offensive boards his ability to get steals in bunches for a kid his size and his soft hands around the rim. I'm still curious to see if the Pistons eventually bring him in the starting lineup and play next to Monroe (moving him to the 4) in the future. Also, give Willl Bynum some credit. He and Drummond have developed a solid chemistry off the bench for the Pistons, thus allowing Drummond to become a recipient of a lot of his passes and finishing to the rim.
His length and quickness makes him a terror on defense. Not just blocking shots either. I've seen him play passing lanes and outrun everyone for easy monster dunks. I said from the beginning I thought he was at least as good of a defender from the start of his rookie year as Deandre Jordan is right now. I always thought the lowest he should have went was 4 in the draft to Cleveland. I think he will be someone you can throw the ball down to on the block soon enough and get you a few points. I honestly are no reason he can't be better than Dwight Howard. He has a lot of work to do to get there.
Anyway, I've always been real high on him and am glad to see him doing well. I just hope he continues to get better.
It really is nice to see him vindicating my staunch support of him. I really think he'll end up a better NBA player than Davis down the road. He's going to be the steal of the draft, hands down.
Backourt of the future. Now if only they had a bench...
If we had to do a re-draft, Im not sure that I don't take Drummond over Anthony Davis, seeing how the two have played so far. Drummond has shown me he will be a terror both on defense and offense, and will be one of the better Centers in the game.
That is what I was saying around draft time. I always said I would take Drummond over Davis. I also said that wouldn't happen and that Davis earned being the first pick. I also think it is still too early to say he should have went before Davis(I know you didn't say that). I just always thought Drummond would be an awesome pro and that the gap between Davis and Drummond as prospects was close.
most of all he has shown some good sign of great behaviour : will to play, desire to develop his game, work ethic, some very interesting skills, knows his role...
great to see a physical specimen (http://nbadraft.net/forum/athleticism-overrated) beginning his carreer this way.
I'm still wondering wether him and monroe can play together at the same time and how effective they could be together : knight, singler, jerebko, monroe, english and drummond are a good core of young player to build around. I hope detroit won't do the "afflalo mistake" with english AND they will draft muhammad this year.
It's only a matter of time until the Pistons let Drummond off his leash and let him play more minutes, it's pretty surreal when a coach like Doc Rivers resorts to hacking a 19 year old center in order to take him out the game and expose his deficiencies. Looking at Drummond's per 36 stats, it's really scary what he may become. But offensively, he's harmless if he isn't within nine feet of the basket, even Howard had more variation in his game as a rookie. Has the tools to be an excellent defensive anchor, but does he has the character to match? We'll see, I guess you don't have to scream and stare people down to be a defensive force. Much has already been said about his free-throw shooting so i'll ignore that.
Taking everything into consideration, I really like Drummond's physical attributes because it's quite rare to find a young 270lb big that can move as fluidly as Andre can, he's shown that he'll survive in the NBA with just athletic ability. I can't wait to see what he turns into five years from now.
I'm a fan on how Frank is playing Drummond in limited minutes. He's shooting problems and general inexperience have been marginalized beautifully so far. As a result, Drummond has been playing the game the right way shooting an unreal FG% and great defense without fouling. Once next season rolls around he will have developed without the bad habits that big man often get without proper coaching structure.
I have to say Andre Drummond is the most surprising rookie in a positive way. All the talk about him leading up to the draft was about how raw he was, but he's definitely shown he can be effective right now in the NBA.
Like mikeyv, always been a huge fan of Drummond. I was concerned with his lack of aggression last year at U-Conn, but he has been excellent this year for Detroit. When I can't check out games I try to check every box score to see how he does, and I'm usually pleasantly surprised. He's going to be a really good player as his career goes on.
The guy is oozing potential, I know you guys like to compare him to Dwight Howard in terms of body size and athleticism but trust me Andre Drummond is much bigger. They weighed him before the Boston game and he was at 297 pounds!! Hes 297 pounds at the age of 19(wont turn 20 till august)! That is unbelievable to me. I cant even imagine how big hes gonna get once he starts putting in man hours in the gym.
WOW..that's scary.. but i believe, he really looks thicker than at the summer league where he measured still 279 ..and unlike many other bigs he has really low body fat percentage, so it should be easy to gain him even more strength
lol im sorry but he is clearly not 297 pounds, maybe around 275, your sources are wrong.
To be fair, the perception of Drummond's freshman season was poor mostly because of expectations not actual performance. He had good games and bad, but it was far overstated the bad. When he has a bad game this year, or picks up 2 fouls in a few minutes and ends up barely playing, it is a blip on the radar. Last year, it was a crime against nature when he had a bad game . It happens to most every young big man, particularly those who aren't polished. Also, when a guy relies on others to get him involved, I think it is hard to give complete blame or praise for the highs and lows of his numbers. I don't think it is necessarily surprising that he is rebounding well. He was 6th in the Big East in rebounding and 4th in offensive rebounding.
What is promising for Drummond is that much like Greg Monroe and Brandon Knight, he is starting to come on in the mid-season of his rookie year. Things appear to slow down for him, and there seems to be a greater comfort level with him and his teammates. No longer are the Pistons looking the like circus they were on their early season road trip, and actually they have been playing pretty good defense.
As for what this means long-term, the limitations that were there last summer are still there. Greg Monroe's ability to score is getting better and more diverse, but he is still very much an in-the-paint scorer. Drummond is lay-ups, put backs, and dunks. When it is time for the Pistons to compete, they both need to be able to stay out of each others way. The greatest asset Detroit has in its rebuilding is a pair of 6'11" 250+ lbs. big men in an Eastern Conference where that is rare, but they have to be able to play together for big minutes. Jason Maxiell is starting with Monroe because he can go out to 15-feet and provide space while also giving some bulk and toughness to help Greg out. Charlie V has been given a 7th life because his ability to step out to the 3-point line creates the spacing for Drummond to be the paint and not have that second big body crashing down to bump him as he run to the rim. In a rebuilding year where Drummond is a rookie, it is perfect. The next step is going to be tougher because it will require Drummond to take the next step as a basketball player and be more than a phenomenal athlete with tremendous size.
just was watching his highlights and thought it's my to discuss about him lol..
like i had him top2 ALL season long last year it's same now, and not even close actually i don't know who i would take now him or AD that's how high I am on him..
and it's not only defense, it been talked hundreds times he can be top rebounder top shot blocker top defender..ect ect even he steals and the rate of the best center's..
but his offense shows more and more signs..I really believe his handles and quickness will make him a nightmare for slower guys and the he is the second youngest player in the NBA and his 280pound frame might be nothing close to his strength ceiling..
he will be great!
i've been high on drummond for awhile. he's on most of my fantasy teams too and i can't wait for him to be a starter or an increase in mins (into the 30s).
for me it still hurts because i wanted toronto to draft him when we had a choice between him and rivers. t-ross is a good role player but if we had drummond it would have been crazy! without doing any research i feel like drummond already has more double double games than bargnani haha.
in my books drafting talent or needs is more important and we definitely should have drafted drummond :(
andre has really exceeded my expectations..... he moves so well for a 6'11'' guy weighing around 275.... i feel he has superstar potential w/o a doubt... his impact is felt when he gets into the game esp. on defense
Drummond and Monroe will be a twin tower combo to fear for years to come.
The frontcourt of Drummond and Monroe will be intimidating for opponents to face for years. Not to mention they complement one another really well, Drummond being the more physical defensive presence and Monroe being the savvy scorer/passer he is..
I'm just saying what the announcers said on TV. Which is that Andre weighed in at 297
well him being 297 is not a "great" thing... in fact that's maybe the only thing that concerns me about him.
Every center, athletic specimen with great strength, we have seen in the past 10 years jumping from HS (or this 1year at university joke) has shown some injury issues.
Drummond could follow the same way Oden or Bynum have (stoud' also was powerfull when he arrived). And now everybody can see how howard is struggling to play when he's not 100% healthy and can't dominate with his body.
Being 275 at 18/19, 297 at 19/20 is complicated for the whole body... especially when you have 82 to 100 games to absorb in the paint. European young centers usually don't play more than 40 games a year and don't have that kind of body (Gasol Asik Pekovic Gortat)... and look at the growing proportion of european center in the league. NCAA centers (Monroe Hibbert Lopez as Noah or Horford several years ago) who spend more time in college and don't play so much games are more durable too and less injury prone I think (serious injuries).
he will be alright, i believe he has been always healthy and he isn't something with unnecessary mass like fat or too much muscles he is just HUGE naturally and looks absolutely comfortable with his body, kinda like Shaq junior
I remember at the start of the season... the pistons coaching staf said that this kid have never lifting weight !!! And he was 275 pounds. The thing with Andre is that he have naturally very big and strong lower body. That a good thing because usually the big guys who are usually injured like Bynum and Oden dont have the lower body of Andre and have more weight in their higher body
That left handed dunk against Zaza is still my favorite, it's such a rare sight usually big men catch it with both hands not their off hand.
And I dunno if that commentator against the Bucks knows what a windmill dunk is but #4 was not a windmill.
Always said he would be like D.Jordan if his motor didnt get better, was very skeptical that it would ever get better but he has been proving me wrong
His reading of the game looks great on the highlight reel Mikey posted, 297lbs C's should not really be robbing guards. He looks to have huge upside, being brought along nice and steadily.
I understand the thought process of Drummond and Monroe not being able to start together right now, but I do believe it is time for Drummond to start playing closer to 30 minutes a game. This guy deserves a chance from what he's done already this year, and him and Monroe have to start meshing at some point, why not try it out seeing as this team is going nowhere. Again, I'm not saying Drummond should start or play exclusively with Monroe, just giving this kid more minutes over Maxiell and Charlie V seems logical.
As far as the battle between him and Davis...Its funny, Davis played on the best team in the nation in college, was basically asked to block shots and guard the rim, while Drummond was on a disfunctional underachiever, with 3 guards that were shoot first and a system that didn't benefit his strengths one bit. Now both are only bad NBA teams, and Davis, who hasn't been bad at all, has been underwelming because of this expectation that he was some kind of franchise big. He isn't big enough to play center, and he doesn't have anywhere near the skill of a KG at this point. His shot blocking has declined, seeing as going up against the NBA big men is a big difference than the SEC where almost every team was starting a 6'9 guy at center. His offense has never been polished, he has a decent jump shot for a big guy but nothing special, he has no real post up moves and has just seemed up and down. He also has been consistently hurt, something impossible to predict but not a good sign for the long term. Even in the NC game, he only made 1 field goal if I remember correctly. He was simply a great defensive guy with mediocre offensive skill. And in todays NBA, players like him especially who lack great strength are going to struggle to make a Russell calibur impact on the defensive end, which some foolishly thought he would make. Anthony Davis is going to be a good NBA player, but that's it, Drummond's potential is far better.