[D HampParticipant]

White basketball players:

You guys want objective food for thought. It’s people like Auber on this site that contribute to the society’s issues when it comes to youth. He called Eric Devendorf a thug. Now, be objective and let’s get SERIOUS. I don’t care how often he talks trash or how many tattoes he gets inked on him neck ect, he’s allowed to be his own person without facing ridicule. When black players do it, everyone turns the cheek. People on this site always say they NBA cares about image. Really??? then ban everyone who smokes marijuana, (Beasley and Chalmers for the NBA draft tie to this) and players who are always involved in nightclub incidents. When it pertains to white players, oh, they’re trailer trash. Give me a break. The guy was unjustly accused of hitting a woman last year! But nobody cares and only remember the original reporting of the situation. There wasn’t any news when the female admitted SHE LIED. How come the university police or the city of Syracuse police arrest him? How come he only missed three games?

The BIGGER problem with statements by Auber is that IT IS DIRECTLY CORRLEATED to society everyday. If a young 13-year-old walks with his pants down, then he’s a gang member. If he has two cell phones to be fly and cool with his friends, then he’s percieved as a drug dealer. That’s the real issue. As long as people aren’t being unlawful should it matter? The next thing you know, that young person has been told so many times that he’s a thug that subconsciously, they believes it and starts to behave in that manner.

Dhamp…the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

D-Hamp, I live in Syracuse. Auber lives in Syracuse. We seen Devo. He is a thug man. He walked around here with the wrong crowd and always thought he was tougher then everyone man

He walked around here with drugs, guns and other things. I remember when he tore his ACL and he was walking around with crutches, me and a friend walked up to him and just said a simple “Hey Devo” and he got all mad and started pulling his gun out man.

I hope he does not get into the NBA.

[fliptonnParticipant]

and one of the most common misconception of basketball players, especially college players, is that they are thugs, not just white players. As far as neck tattoos, kenyon martin got lips tattood on his neck and i read an article and saw something on NBA TV about how ridiculous it was implying that he was a thug and an idiot.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

I don’t know anything about the situation involving the girl so I can’t comment on that. I like players that talk trash, its just part of the game and being competitive. I don’t hold anything against Devo for having tats, thats just his style. I agree though that a lot of people do judge him in a negative way due to his image.

[bdoody42Participant]

I really doubt that happened to you. I have another question for people about Devo. What is his past criminal records like? I honestly dont know. I really feel this topic will really not matter becuz I see it as highly unlikely he will be drafted, but wnated get some opinions.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Dude, no lie. I dont know Devo’s personal criminal records but i know this man was trouble

[PringlesParticipant]

This forum is starting to suck.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I agree Gator Heels.

AT 6-4, he would be undersized at the 2. I dont think he could play the 2. He could shoot which nmakes him a good 10th man but i think theres 60 guys better than him.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

I don’t think Auber has anything against “urban” players. Auber just simply believes based on Devo’s attitude and past history it is not worth it for an NBA to take a chance on a guy like this who doesn’t really have any extraordinary basketball skills anyway.

If I was an NBA GM I wouldn’t draft Devo for the simple fact that I don’t think he is good enough to play in the NBA…simple as that.

[D HampParticipant]

No, there have been users on this site that says Auber does have a problem with urban players. Even Sheltown has accused him of this. And Devo’s is just the center piece of this larger problem. His draft status isn’t the issue. Player’s often get bad raps, and when they do, the public buys into it, without knowing anything of the player and a snowball effect occurs. Player’s images are always hurt eventhough they are being themselves. It’s a double standard. There’s a lot to this and it’s very broad. And Pringles, I’m sorry you feel that way, but this is a real basketball issue that’s pervasive around the nation, not just sports. And this forum is all about dicussions. So, instead on always talking about things that are remedial, let’s bring up issues that are permeated in the basketball world. Real issues, and how basketball relates.

Hubie Brown

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Whenever I see you I’m reminded of when you used to spell Hubie wrong. At least you know who he is.(kind of)

[auberParticipant]

First off. If you really want to get into people with a bad image I’m all for it. Some of my favorite players include Dennis Rodman, Charles Barkley, Ron Artest, and Rasheed Wallace who are arguably four of the biggest bad boys of my generation. Despite their “Thuggish” image you know what got them to the NBA? Sheer determination and talent. Which is somethng Devendorf is lacking in.

Taking a term from baseball, “He’s got a 10 cent arm and a 5 cent head.” Which in all honesty doesn’t take you far in regardless of what sport you play in. Take Delmon Young for example who in my mind has far superior talents than Devendorf on his brightest day, but the same head on his shoulders. Where has he gotten? From one of Baseball Americas top prospects to sheer animosity in most of Baseball.

Next you want to bring the weed argument into play. Did you know I owned Michael Beasley and Mario Chalmers in their rookie seasons? I originally drafted Josh Howard in that league and have also owned Darius Miles for years now. People smoke dude, but as the Great Charles Barkley stated in his infamous Nike Commercial… and I quote…

”
I am not a role model.
I am not paid to be a role model.
I am paid to wreak havoc on a basketball court.
Parents should be role models..
Just because I dunk a basketball.
Doesn’t mean I should raise your kids.
”

These words from Nike’s most infamous commercial in my mind are the biggest reality that the NBA needs to face. The league needs to stop marketing their super stars as community activists and instead have them put up or shut up on a basketball court because that’s what they get paid to do. I’m not against some players being active in their community, I think it’s great in one sense, but on the other end it’s not what these players are getting paid to do. These guys are Athletes and not Human Activists. If they wanted to make a difference to today’s youth in America they should take a career in politics and try and provide the necessary changes this country needs to strive.

You want to bring in the situation where Devondorf and his alleged assault charges and this may be the one aspect of him (other than the fact that he is white,) that I will agree with you on. To this day I don’t buy into those reports of Devondorf Sexually assaulting anyone on the Syracuse University campus and the surrounding area, but at this point the damage to his image had already been done. If you watched any Syracuse basketball this year you knew the frustration Boeheim has with this team. It wasn’t team basketball, it was a bunch of offensive prowless filled with individual egos and in all honesty despite adding the talent Donte Greene would have hurt this team more than helped it last year. I don’t know how much of the media speculation you have read about Deveondorf D-Hamp, but It’s honestly believed by most fans that Devondorf was forced out of the University because Boehim wanted Wesley Johnson and Brandon Tirche to recieve ample playing time next season. I really don’t doubt the claim of this between the frustration this season had between Boehim, the team, and Devondorf.

Now you want to imply that I’m a racist so I’m going to tell you how I stand on the view of racism. I am a 20 year old Caucasian male with brown hair and brown eyes. My heritage includes traces of Italian, Polish, but primarily german. My mother has been dating an African American for the last two years. My father has been with the same girl for three years who indeed despite being Caucasian, has an African American son. Now lastly my god mother is also married to an African American. Black is the color around me dude so I don’t get why you imply that I’m a racist. If anything I’m a self racist. I think in most fields of work if given an ample opportunity, an African American individual will give more output than input in their given field than a Caucasian male in a given environment. Why is this you may ask? I attribute it to mainly the idea that as Caucasian males were viewed as the dominated race from society and because of that we take much more for granted than we should. Because African Americans have been denied so many things given to us as Caucasian males they just want it more than we do.

People are products of their environment D Hamp. You are the person your shown to be with the 5 closest people around you. If given Caucasian male Eric Devondorf hangs around with 5 African American males what is he looked upon as? The Token white guy just trying to fit in. Same situation on the other side of the street. Devondorf is a product of bad upbringing and terrible core values. He may be a good matured person at heart, but he’s already shown enough to most of us that he’s not the player many people he thinks he is.

Actions speak louder than words in the case of Devondorf, and I think GMs have seen enough. If he does get a chance in this league it’s one he doesn’t deserve. Not because of the color of his skin, not because of his mental capacity, but from a true stand point aspect that Devendorf has no business playing in the NBA with his skill set. Take it from a guy who has lived in the Syracuse area his entire life. I know a vast majority on the forum will agree with me on this one.

[D HampParticipant]

I never called you a racist. Now, for the fourth time, why is Devendorf a thug!!! lol. I only need a one sentence response. You called him a thug and promted me to write my semi-deep prose. Stop circumnavigating around the subject. Why is he a thug?

In regards to Devo being forced out of Syracuse; he wasn’t. I posted an one-on-one interview with him about his declaring for the draft a few weeks ago.

Hubie Brown

[auberParticipant]

It’s his image on the program. His negative attitude and his me first persona. His nba future just doesn’t bode well with me that’s all. Being a drug dealer didn’t help his cause much either. I know any syracuse fan will agree with me on that one

[D HampParticipant]

YOU JUST PROVED MY F….. POINT. Having an image problem and being me first doesn’t make you a thug. And, he was never a drug dealer. You can’t find anything on the Internet about that. To me, a thug robs, sell drugs (Devo didn’t) shoots, steals and kill people.

It’s people like you who attribute to society’s problems, nuff said. You saw something about a person (maybe) and came up with a conclusion without incontrovertible evidence that he’s a thug. It happens to young people everyday. If you have any questions, re-read my first post. You just proved my point of this discussion. I’ll holla.

D Hamp….

[auberParticipant]

I don’t have anything to prove in this thread other than the fact that devo won’t make it in the nba

[piratejpParticipant]

C’mon man, average talent with no true position & possible character issues? What GM isn’t going to jump on the chance to get that cat?

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I would!!!! Devo going 8th overall!!!!! LOL

No way i would even watch his workouts…i rather have John Bryant

[gatorheelsParticipant]

Haha I would rather have John Bryant too.

[d-grizzlyParticipant]

it’s pointless making a logical argument to alot of the people. i mean christ, i made an argument to the people who said nelson shouldn’t have made contact with kobe’s elbow. you should know somebody like dhamp won’t give in, even if if he’s wrong.

[HaleParticipant]

Is retarded.

[sayanythingParticipant]

Devo hit a fucking girl. Enough said about whether he’s a thug or not. Case closed.

[D HampParticipant]

I can care less if Devo doesn’t make the NBA. You guys aren’t that intelligent if you can’t see Auber is wrong. He called him a thug and for what. Just to say it. You guys are idots, especially d-grilzzly if he can’t see the point I’m making. It’s not about Devo. It’s about the world as a whole. Auber all but himself admitted he is wrong. You guys are clueless.

Hubie Brown

[auberParticipant]

You have a burning passion for Eric Devondorf inside of you D Hamp. It’s cool maybe wikipedia’s got an article on his sexual affairs with John Bryant.

[TocaneParticipant]

This is one reason why I don’t post here very often. Forums definitely need mods.

[d-grizzlyParticipant]

dhamp’s just like every dumba$$ i’ve talked to. always right, never wrong. i bet he put on his big boy pullups today.

[Lemons4LifeParticipant]

Amazingly, I’m the first one to agree with D-Hamp. Im not sure about devendorf being a thug or anything he’s just another college kid. Auber is a little out of my at least social circle. So i agree with D-Hamp……

[D HampParticipant]

Ok, tell me what I’m wrong about.

Hubie Brown

[birdman1113Participant]

shut up Dhamp Devendorf has a thug image and thats all Auber saying . people call k-mart a thug because of tattoes and swearing like crazy to the media and its almost the same thing for Devendorf.

[D HampParticipant]

Ok, birdman. You tell me whre I’m wrong. It seems nobody can. You all know I’m right.

[d-grizzlyParticipant]

you tell him how he’s wrong and then he asks how he’s wrong. it’s pointless. p.o.$hit

[D HampParticipant]

d-grizzly, you brought it up. Tell me how I’m wrong. Nuff said! lol

[gatorheelsParticipant]

I think you are right D Hamp. It is a problem to call someone a thug based on their image. However I will give Auber & Knicksboy a pass on this one because they apparently know Devo personally.

[d-grizzlyParticipant]

you’re starting $hit with aub you retard. plus, you brought up the stereotypes in your first post dumba$$. NUFF SAID. LOL! you’re a gayfish dude

[d-grizzlyParticipant]

” Dhamp…the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway. ”

STOP.

[D HampParticipant]

d-grizzly here’s what you posted: dhamp’s just like every dumba$$ i’ve talked to. always right, never wrong. i bet he put on his big boy pullups today.

OK, to give you to contrapositive, how am I not right in this case. I only need one sentence. You can’t call people thugs based on perception. Even if they’ve met once (maybe) it doens’t mean they know that person well enough to say such things. It happens everyday. I see some 18-year-old kid with bright colors on and people say, “there go gang members.”

So please, I only need one sentence for you to show me how I’m wrong. Please. Enlighten me.

Hubie Brown.

[auberParticipant]

I’m done talking to a dude about this matter who thinks hes on a pedestal. Step down back to reality and we’ll grant you an acquaintance.

[D HampParticipant]

Auber, I already aired you out. What you did, calling people thugs for having a negative attitude and being self-centered, is bordeline bigotry. Foreal.

Hubie Brown.

[auberParticipant]

If anything I’m hating my own race.

[birdman1113Participant]

what are you trying to prove Dhamp that Auber said that Devo has a reputation of being a thug.

[maravich44Participant]

Since when did calling someone a thug become a racial issue? Let’s just say his persona is one which an NBA team would be leary of. Would you want him working for you or being your friend? I wouldn’t.

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

this is very interesting..i agree a lil with both…calling devo a thug when you dont even know the guy doesnt make some one a racist but does make them ignorant and prejudice just from what they have heard or seen how someone acts on a basketball court..as far as some of the nab players ya’ll have named about being a thug ..what qualifies someone as a thug?..ive known artest since 5star camp in 97 and though he acts thuggish on the court he doesnt get into trouble really off of it..he donates and does alot of charity work that is never published in the paper so are some of yall basing the thug personna on what the player does on the court?..if so thats not a good reason because the basketball court is like a stage ..alot of people act a certain way when they arent and some go a lil overboard because they like the attention( rodman) …as far as devo being drafted i pretty much doubt it..but as far as basic tools to work with and get better with he could make a team through summer leauge..if not hes gonna make very good money in europe

[sheltwon3Participant]

I never said Devo was not a thug because he may be and like Tupac he may not care if people know it. I was just saying that you can not always look at a few thing and say someone is a thug. Calling someone a thug in the manner that people called Martin and seems like Devo is like calling them a lowlife and punk. You are saying it in a negative way. A lot of athletes has similiar backgrounds and tatooes. Everyone has prejudices. That does not mean there are racist because most people do fit stereotypes so they can fit in and have an identity. The is an unfortunate truth. There are a lot of talented player not in the NBA who got in trouble and were not talented enought to put up with. Qyntel Woods is a good player but the dog thing hurt him and some other stuff. Tinsley is being paid to stay away from the team. Devo may be a thug but my thing is we need to be careful about how we use that term with urban people because there are negative stereotype about many different people race financial status and what not and you don’t want to fall into that trap. I will say that if he was a little better than regardless he would still get drafted. AI and Martin, and Melo were top 4 in the drafts and they have urban history.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I don’t believe Auber is a racist but maybe there are certain aspects of players and people that he finds offensive and he maybe thinks Devo has it but my thing if dude is a thug then he is a thug but if he is a thug my thing is what does that make you. What do you flaws make you out to be.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Also since when did most men and athletes not been cocky and have some sort of attitudes. That front for the cameras is not them. Ron Artest being labeled a thug was stupid because he is passionate and that can be good or bad and i know I had to deal with my own passion and how it got me in trouble in some situations.

[maravich44Participant]

Teams will accept most any behavior if a man can play. If a guy has the same skill as another player, but has a negative aura for whatever reason, the player without the negative aura will get the job. There are probably many players with comparable ability where he will be looked at in the draft. It’s these intangables that will hurt him. From my perspective, being called a thug isn’t that bad of a wrap. Maybe others are more sensitive to that word. However, his perceived persona will not help him come draft day when teams decide who will represent them on their squad.

[HaleParticipant]

DHAMP you didn’t even name the thread right, so how can you have like any credibility. You are talking about one player (Eric Devendorf) yet you title the thread: Auber and White basketball players. That is one guy. You are basically assuming Auber is a racist (against his own kind). Seriously, how can you complain about someone saying something about a players IMAGE. Yes, that is his image. Does it mean Auber should have called him a thug? Probably not, maybe he thinks of a thug as a different definition then you do? This really isn’t that big a deal. So stop complaining about this inadvertant incident.

[D HampParticipant]

Here’s the deal. It’s not about Devo, he’s just the centerpiece to the conversation that is pervasive in many communities. The problem is Auber called Devo a thug and I simply asked why is he a thug? Auber’s answer, posted on this forum, said Devo was about himself and has a negative attitude. But Auber is wrong, those characteristics doesn’t make someone a thug. Most say Devo’s a thug because he’s a white, trash talking, tattooe wearing basketball player, playing a predominatly black sport. Black guys with the same tattoes and persona act like Devo and many, although some, and nobody says a word.

My point is, you can’t walk around calling people thugs and you aren’t sure about it. You can’t judge a book by it’s cover. When one person calls you a thug and people hear it, then more people also began doing so. It then gets to the point where everyone calls that person a thug and everyone becomes misinformed. These sterotypes happens everywhere with today’s youth. If you see a teenager sagging his pants, then he’s regulated to being a thug, and it’s not the case. It’s a social issues, but through Devo, I made it related to basketball. All Auber had to do was aplolgize for being uninformed or being too subjective. It was never about Devo being drafted.

Hubie Brown

[maravich44Participant]

Define thug. To me, it just means the kind of guy looking for problems. A little seedy with a questionable attitude. Usually would rather solve a problem with fists than through discussion. Often times hangs with a posse of people with questionable morals. That’s my loose definition anyway. Am I missing something? What’s the big deal about that word anyway? To me it has absolutely no racial undertones. That’s my culture anyway.

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

wait a min..what are you talking about dhamp when u say alot of black players have tats and act like devo and no one says anything…have you watched sports or the news lately..most of the time they are being called thugs either by fans or announcers..i rarely see a white player called a thug

[sheltwon3Participant]

Actual when most people use thug they mean loser lowlife and somethat wants to deal with things in a violent manner. That is stupid because a lot of human do that and some will hide behind the law. Some dont have the balls to beef so they get someone else and say they are not a thug but their mindset is that of a lowlife.

[D HampParticipant]

As I said earlier, to me a thug, robs, steal shoots and harms people. Calling Devo that gives off the wrong connotation. And the more people say it, the more they will beleive it. Face it, Auber was wrong for unjustly calling Devo a thug. And anyone who agrees with Auber on this issue is stupid.

Hubie Brown

[auberParticipant]

I think anyone who watches and pays attention to syracuse athletics knows who devo is and what he’s about. I think he’d be a cancer in the NBA regardless of what G-Mac has stated about him. I will admit I’m not for most white players playing in the nba on a talent stand point, but not on a racial stand point. ESPN did a study of white players in the game and the numbers a joke. It’s all good D-Hamp, your just waiting for the next americanized larry bird to happen and it’s a sad far cry from the truth. The moral of this thread is that Devo will not play in the NBA, i can’t believe this is turning into that much of an issue.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

I think you just have an extreme definition of the word thug therefore you find it a little more hurtful and offensive than the average person.

[auberParticipant]

to redfine himself he’s a punk. What’s the difference then? or is thug a racially motivated term. give me a break

[WälseParticipant]

if it looks, walks, and talks like a duck, its probably a duck. Devendorf is a duck. lol…

[gatorheelsParticipant]

Haha

[maravich44Participant]

Alphamale. I was thinking the exact same thing! You beat me to the puch. I agree.

[burningfloodParticipant]

I really don’t understand why y’all have to go and argue about this…whether or not Devo’s a thug is irrelevant, and why Auber thinks Devo’s a thug is even more irrelevant…

Seriously, DHamp, not harshing on you or anything, but if you think that Devo’s not a thug, and you feel you are justified in saying so, then you could just give yourself a pat on the back and tell yourself that you’re right. No need to go after Auber for his opinion, especially since you probably won’t change his view on Devo or, as you termed it, other ‘white basketball players’.

I don’t really care whether he is a thug or not, if he’s got a team mentality, can stay out of trouble with the law, and has skills, I’d be fine with him in the NBA. He doesn’t really have NBA skills, so all the other parts are moot.

Anyway, DHamp, thug is something I could define differently from you. I mean, Devo might not be a thug in the ‘drug dealing, gun toting, dirty work doing’ mold that you’re thinking of, but he might be a thug if a thug is someone ‘possibly violent, hanging around with shady people, and engaging in questionably violent behavior’. But it has nothing to do with basketball or the draft.

Anyway, how do y’all think the Warriors can do next year? Can they join the race for the playoffs?

[Lemons4LifeParticipant]

Devendorf isn’t a thug or punk he’s a COLLEGE KID who acts immature but I totally agree with gatorheels and D-Hamp… Auber and even you D-Hamp are immature right now…

[sheltwon3Participant]

Alphamale aint seen you in a minute homie do you have more than one name or something. I was like it is the finals and this dude is AWOL.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I think thug is used as derogatory word and nobody is perfect enough to throw labels without having another derogatory label thrown at them but if Auber and D HAMP feel strongly about their causes then so be it. People with their own views of another person will continue. I mean we see here and talk about where some rookies may be career wise so obviously some people are judging character just like people judge talent. Yall need to squash this because neither one of yall will change your stance.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Also any lowlife taking my points for saying so valid stuff needs to be a man and own up. Don’t disagree with me and not say nothing. I know if i disagree with a person they will know it.

[WälseParticipant]

i wasnt gonna post anymore, but i missed you, so i’m back. lol

[auberParticipant]

I think anyone who lives in the Syracuse Area has the right to question Devos character. Why were blowing up about a guy whose not going to make it in the NBA is beyond me.

[tuck243Participant]

But many people precieve a THUG as a man with Tattoos, “I don’t give a F UCK” attitude, and his actions… But here’s the problem… I always say this, ALWAYS!!! THUGS don’t go to COLLEGE!!! A Thug is the guy that says “you is”, a Thug is someone who has his gun next to him always, a Thug is in a gang………………….. I’m pretty sure if someone you know that is highly pub in Devo, YOU would tell on him if he pulled a gun out on you…. I know damn well I would and I’m black… Not a snitch, but smart… If a man I KNOW pulled a gun on me and nothing happens to him, I SWEAR, I would do everything in my power for him to feel the way I did when he pulled that gun out on me…

Auber, i believe means well, but fell into what most of soceity does… Just because you hang with black guys and you are white doesn’t mean you are a thug… Nor does it mean you are trying to be one… You don’t know how Devo was raised and who he was around… SO as far as we know (since majority of basketball players are black anyway) Devo been around blacks majority of his life… Its part of his personality… It doesn’t make him a Thug or THUGGISH… His actions on the court or the “I don’t give a F UCK” attitude is more of a A$$hole than a Thug to me… Jordan talked s hit, punched his teammates, and rubbed it in people faces… Remember vs. the Knicks? IS MJ a thug? LOL…

I’m sure Devo isn’t selling drugs or pulling out burners on you guys… Leave the man alone and stick to basketball convos… Call the man a A$$, but don’t call him a Thug… Because IN MY OPINION he’s not…

[WälseParticipant]

pac-man jones went to college! he’s always being “rebellion”…lol

[auberParticipant]

Let’s just end this with some thoughts from Urban Dictionary ftw.

sheltwon you brought up 2pac and it’s ironic that they do too.

Definiton 1-
“As Tupac defined it, a thug is someone who is going through struggles, has gone through struggles, and continues to live day by day with nothing for them. That person is a thug. and the life they are living is the thug life. A thug is NOT a gangster. Look up gangster and gangsta. Not even CLOSE, my friend. ”
^—- This doesn’t talk about killing people. It talks about a man living a shitty life, and going through his struggles.

Definiton 2-
“To be a true thug doesnt mean wearing “bling”, listening to rap and talking “black”. Being a gangsta isnt superficial.. To be a true thug means you havent had it good your whole life, and you intend to change that, and get out of the ghetto if thats where you are, you do whats right, you dont take shit from anyone, and stand up for your friends and dont let them take shit from anyone! You dont have to be a stereotypical “gangsta” to be a thug, a skater can be a thug, a nerd can be a thug, a hick can be a thug, a prep can be a thug, and old ass man can be a thug! So forget your stupid fucking stereotypes and thinking that everybody has to fit into one group, and be labeled. And i’ll tell you what… Damn it feels good to be a gangster! ”

I got a good laugh out of this for the people who are honestly taking this thread seriously.

[tuck243Participant]

LOL… You are not a 2Pac I see… THUG LIFE was a movement more than a cd… T.H.U.G. L.I.F.E.= The Hate U Gave Little Infants F0ck Everybody… They went on tours promoting THUG life… So Tupac’s defenition was totally different than majority of society… Especially White society…

You can say what you want, but if you were to ask 10 random people on the street whats a THUG and they would describe someone from the HOOD… So, your point isn’t valid…

But then again what is your point? You call Devo a THUG, but you talking now as if you were giving him a compliment…

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

it’s funny because i actually had this same conversation about this same topic about a year ago… except the topic was BRANDON JENNINGS and somebody was calling him a THUG for not going to college! lol….

That conversation also went straight to racism, which is dumb. I don’t know why that has anything to do with being a THUG.

It sounds to me like you guys have different definitions of THUG. To me, a thug is something more like DHamp was saying… someone who has utter disregard for other people, stuff like murdering or robbing people… selling drugs to innocent kids.

The reality remains that not everyone has the same definition of Thug… To some people a Thug is more like a 2pac T.H.U.G.L.I.F.E… some people wouldn’t mind being a thug because they don’t give a shit what other people think of them, which I think is something that would probably hold true for Devo. If you asked him if he thought he was a thug, he might say he is, he might say he’s not… who cares.

People like Devo and KMart definitely try to project themselves in a somewhat thug image, especially relative to other people… like JJ Redick? We all know thugs, and I guarantee 99% look and act a whole lot more like Devo or KMart, unless you know people in the mafia. Which brings up another good point… if you walk around dressed like you were in the mafia and walked around with a mafia strut, people would probably PERCEIVE you as a thug… whether or not you are a thug, who cares?

Devo, to me, wants to be perceived as a thug. There’s definitely an intimidation factor involved… whether or not he’s a true thug, that’s up to him.

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

the ..thugs dont go to college thing is false..we had a couple thugs at my college on the football team..a couple were crips who have done alot of thug activities….florida st had some when my boy was there and usc had some when my cousin went there..so yea thugs do go to college

[j1232eParticipant]

of the so called thugs go to college. But staying enrolled in college and going pro 10%

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

the reality is, thugs are real people who have made some mistakes and bad decisions in their lives… some get caught up, some don’t. some have crazy athletic abilities and other people cover for them because they actually have a chance to make it. some make it to college, most don’t.

I tutor an African woman (who i’m very fond of) who has NO BUSINESS being in college. She can’t even use a calculator. I’m her statistics teacher and she knows how to use the equations to some extent, she just can’t put the numbers in her calculator with any accuracy!

If she can make it in college, i’m sure guys with HIRED tutors can float through college.

[auberParticipant]

I never said I was 2pac. I’m more of a nas fan myself. Even though my avatar is of Kool Keith from his “Black Elvis” days

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

2PAC > Nas > Jay-z

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

not gonna get in a whos better debate none of them was thugs so who cares

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

2pac’s mama mighta been a thug in her heyday… she was a black panther if i remember my 2pac trivia

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

she didn’t take shit from anyone

[tuck243Participant]

You are in College you are doing something constructive with your life… I tell young freshman this all the time trying to prove themselves… You go to college to create a better life for yourself, not to be a hard… Hence the term, THUGS don’t go to college… People make dumb decisions everywhere… I’m an intern at a top accounting firm right now and some of my co-workers does drugs and a couple are grads from Harvard… I’m in school with WHITE GUYS that look like JJ Reddick and they sell weed… You call them a THUG too? Im just saying, I don’t hate how someone makes their living… That’s not my issue, but its hard for me to agree with someone who says a guy that went to college is a Thug… I’m Pretty sure when Devo is 30 he won’t be on that corner all night, trying to come up… But its all up to how you preceive a Thug… And you can say what you want, but I’ve never heard ANYONE call a Skin head a THUG… But, I could be wrong…

Im Done Good Luck on figuring this out…

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

tuck where u work… big 4?

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

and i dont think anyone is a THUG just cuz they sell to their college peers…

[tuck243Participant]

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[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

ahhhhh are u a summer intern? just went through all the training?

hahahahaha that’s funny… you’ll loosen up by august… you won’t jeopardize the firm by disclosing that you work with them though, btw…. lol

and you can go on nbadraft.net at work~ just get your work done and no one cares what you do.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

ahhhhh are u a summer intern? just went through all the training?

hahahahaha that’s funny… you’ll loosen up by august… you won’t jeopardize the firm by disclosing that you work with them though, btw…. lol

and you can go on nbadraft.net at work~ just get your work done and no one cares what you do.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

ahhhhh are u a summer intern? just went through all the training?

hahahahaha that’s funny… you’ll loosen up by august… you won’t jeopardize the firm by disclosing that you work with them though, btw…. lol

and you can go on nbadraft.net at work~ just get your work done and no one cares what you do.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Yo let this topic die man……

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

can u delete stuff if it got posted 3 times? i only see edit

[Knicksboy34Participant]

let this topic die…..

[D HampParticipant]

There sure has been a lot of interaction since I last timed in on this thread.

In conclusion, Auber, I hope you learned you lesson about unwarrentedly calling people thugs. It seems as though more people on this site would agree with me more so than you on this one. No big deal. Call Devo a garbage, NDBL player, who’s immature and has no game. But don’t call him a thug without knowing anything about him.

Hubie Brown

[birdman1113Participant]

i think more people agree with auber.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

yea, i think you guys just have different views on the word Thug, and are both right to some extent.

[WälseParticipant]

not sure how you came to that conclusion…addressing Auber that way makes me think you must want to continue the argument….way to be totally condescending.

[Thunder09Participant]

this is seriously goin on here?! I love Players with attitudes,Rodmans my all time fav. and this racial BS is stupid seriously drop this crap and talk BBALL!!

[D HampParticipant]

Nope Alphamale. I’m done.

Hubie Brown.

[McWinningParticipant]

another classic.

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