I've noticed NBADraft.Net isn't at all creative with their player comparisons...They mostly compare prospects to current players and seems like every year they use the same comparisons...Last year Anthony Davis went from Camby to Garnett comparisons...A similar player, Nerlens Noel, is now being seen as the next Camby...smh I think Nerlens Noel at best be Ben Wallace in his prime or Dale Davis in his prime...So far, I'm leaning with more Dale Davis, that's who Nerlens Noel remind me of the most
Dude, Dale Davis? That guy was built like a robot at 6'11 255lbs with low body fat. Noel is built nothing like Davis. I think Camby is a good comparison but a slightly better passer.
At the same stage, a taller Tyrus Thomas.
I disagree with the Tyrus comparison. Tyrus came out with potential of being a two-way player....I just dont think Noel will ever be a decent offensive player.
All Tyrus had offensively were flashes of a mid-range jumper that was never consistent. Otherwise he just flew around making athletic plays, mixing in the occasional stright line drive.
I think they are similar athletes with a similar poor feel for the game.
Early on in the season when there wasn't a pump fake he didn't buy with all his shotblock loving heart, Noel's feel for the game looked laughably bad but he really became a smarter defender as the year went on. I don't know where the early version came from because he played a much smarter brand of defense in the high school games I saw. Maybe he was just anxious. It wasn't surprising to see him settle down on the defensive end. I really don't think his basketball IQ is a negative against him.
I don't see the Tyrus Thomas comparison at all. Thomas had an identity problem. He was too aggressive offensively for his own good when he should've been focused on becoming the black Kirilenko. He was kind of like Josh Smith but without the passing ability and great overall defensive ability to make up for the boneheaded things he did. Then he got hurt. Noel doesn't seem to have a problem with knowing what his strengths are and what kind of player he is. He'll take a few jump hooks here and there but he largely spends his time trying to protect the basket and rebound. I don't see him changing that mindset in the pros. I'll be surprised if he ever averages more than 10 points a game but if he maintains the improved motor he showed at Kentucky, I think he'll be content to rebound, block shots and move the ball on offense.
Nerlens Noel best case scenerio = Jokim Noah????
I was just thinking this earlier. He's a more fluid and explosive athlete, but the game is similar.
and at the opposite note, worst case scenario = Mikki Moore????
I dont see the noah comparison mainly because noah was a smart player with great intangibles and guard skills. That doesnt describe noel. Noah is mobile laterally like noel, but is was more of an intelligent position defender who used his lateral quickness to get in position to cut off angles. Noel 's more of a springy, undisciplined defender who always looks to block shots, like a young dalembert or tyrus thomas.
Noah was also a tremendous passer. Noel just thinks he is. He forces passes and tries some awkward looking passes from strange angles. I dont see him ever being used as a high post hub of an offense like noah is.
Yeah but you're comparing what an 18 year old Noel looked like to a 22 year old Noah. Because Noah didn't have all that polish as a freshman either.
Yeah I would like to add that Noah averaged 3.9 points and 2.7 rebounds per game his freshman year. It's kind of retarded to make those kinds of judgements based one year compared to Noah's 3.
If you're comparing them at the same age then they're not comparable at all. According to RSCI (composite rankings), Noah wasn't even a top 100 player in HS. He was a kid who only got noticed as a legit high major recruit until after he experienced a late growth spurt, while still maintaining a lot of his guard skills and acumen. That's why he's such a good ball-handler and passer for a big. He was a near 7 fter who still read the game like a guard. At Florida, he was still growing his freshman yr in college (grew to near 7' from 6'10) and was not physically ready to compete.
Now if you want to compare Noel to the attributes that Noah is known for, which is usually the case when comparisons are made, then they're not similar in that fashion either. They both having really good lateral quickness for bigs. That's pretty much where the comparison ends.
Alonzo Mourning. An athletic shot blocker and intimidator. Limited offensive game.
Around 6'10 or so. Maximum upside is a notch below a true superstar.
Zo put on a ton of muscle. Can Noel so that?
Zo was a 20/10 player right off the bat in the NBA and 20/10 throughout his prime. Noel will never sniff a 20/10 season, ever. Zo was an entirely different physical beast. He was a powerful, legit 2 way player since HS, where he dominated on both ends.
Mourning was an entirely different level of prospect compared to Noel.
Mourning would more compare to Zeller on offense, Noels on defense, wrapped in Mitch McGary's body, build and athleticism.
Lol... Limited offensive game.
Did you even watch him... ever?
I will probably get hate for this but right now I see him having about the same impact as Biyombo in the pro's
I think it will take him 2 to 3 years to be able to be a quality starting center which is ok because he is young and bigmen take time to develop and he is only a freshmen, so he isnt polished at all so give him 4 years and he should develop at a nice rate and be a more athletic joakim noah who can get 15 and 12. It took Joakim Noah till his 3rd year in the league to average 10 and 10 and that was after 3 years in college.
more athletic Joakim Noah for sure..
do it all block rebound steal run hustle, and if you say Nerlens won't be smart player you might haven't seen any of his excellent passes
Mount Mutombo was about 24/25 whe he was drafted, Noel is still only 18, so I cannot see a comparision there, I can see shades of Noah, I did not see Camby in his college days so cannot comment on the likeness there but I could see Noel having a Camby like NBA career perhaps.
Tyson Chandler did spring to mind but Tyson was a far better all round player than Noel at a similar age so the likeness would only be on defensive potential.
I don't mind the Tyrus Thomas comparison. I mean, it's not spot on, but when you look at it from the standpoint that they're both skinny athletic shot blockers with no real offensive game and not fundamentally sound... It's not too bad. Tyrus thought he could shoot, but he never could lol.
I don't know his exact comparison. I mean, I don't mind Marcus Camby either, especially at the same stage. Camby was basically a guy who was an athletic shot blocker (averaging like 4 blocks as a freshman) and didn't offer much offensively.
It's going to be interesting to see Noel's impact in the league, especially considering he's coming off of his second major injury. I'm not sure about him.
I don't like the Thomas comparison at all because Thomas was a raw athletic 6'9 combo forward, where ass Noel is nearly 7 foot and still has the athleticism to guard SF's and even SG's if need so he's a much different prospect just because of that aspect. Also Noel is much more dominant at a younger age then Thomas who was a later bloomer and frankly stopped blooming.
Noels is a carbon copy of Camby in my opinion with the potential to have a more diverse skill set on offense.
Thomas was never a combo forward. He only thought he had SF skills but he never did. And he too had the athleticism to guard multiple positions, but lacked the discipline and brain to do so.
Noel hardly dominated prep ball. His numbers were like 13pts 7 reb and 4 blks a game. His rating was more so based on his potential and shot blocking ability, not his overall dominance of prep ball.
Tyrus redshirted his first yr in college but in his first yr his per 36 numbers were:
16pts 12reb 4.1 blks 61 fg% 64 TS% 31 PER
Noel's first yr numbers per 36:
11pts 10reb 4.8 blks 59 fg% 59 TS% 24 PER
Yeah well regardless if Thomas could play SF well or not he was still viewed and drafted as a combo forward and still plays SF. He tried selling himself as a SF during the draft process and even shot the mid range ball well during workouts. But Thomas still lacked the height and strength to truly guard Centers in the league, while Noel lacks the strength he has the height to still guard Centers and any other position.
Plus Thomas also benefited at LSU from playing next to Glen Davis who got the better post defender and double teams.
I seem to recall that Tyson Chandler was thought of as having an SF skillset during his draft period. I can see the likeness skillwise between Tyrus Thomas and Noel but Thomas was a PF who weighed 240lbs whilst Noel is a taller skinner 220lbs. Would a John Henson with more upside be anywhere near the mark for Noel but as Henson is only one year into his NBA career, we cannot really track that progression forward.
From a defensive point I can see Noel's game being like Anthony Davis's but Davis has much more two way potential to be an offensive threat which in my mind justified his position at top of the draft. Noel has yet to show he can be a two way player and create his own shot etc. Noel's main worth would be on defence but at the top of the draft, teams may look for just a bit more especially in the top 3 or so picks.
Noel will have time to develop and offensive game and will be fed dunks and put backs to keep him ticking over if he has a creative PG on his drafted team.
Tyrus weighed 217 lbs when he was drafted.
Anthony Davis was the better defender because he was more fundamentally sound. That's what made Davis' shot blocking in college more impressive IMO. He didn't hunt shot blocks like Noel. They just came within the normal course of his defensive rotations.
I was thinking about Henson also with that great shot blocking. Henson worked on his offense during his college years and continued to improve. He got a few post moves and was only 3-4ppg behind Harrison Barnes. I think Noel will work hard on his offense also.