Better Player, Johnny Flynn or Ty Lawson
please tell me why people on here who have seen rubio only in highlights or in some olympic games (in which he averaged 4pts 3ast and 2 turnovers) keep saying hes the best point guard in the draft...i mean seriously ya;\'ll really evaluate talent off of highlights...i mean i dont see anyone saying maybe ya'll are saying for sure lik eya'll have been scouting him or have seen him play a couple of full games
IF were talking PG's, i would go...
Jennings
Rubio
Flynn
Maynor
Patty Mills
Teague
Lawson
Lawson will have to make a living on the perimeter becuase he wont get nothing downlow. His shot is just okay anyways. I really like Patty Mills, he is very quick and can score, i think he is underrated. Teague has a lot of potential. Maynor is a stud and can run a team. Mike Conley Jr. was highly praised coming out of college and he is just a solid PG in the league. I think Lawson will be the same.
lawson showed neared the end what it takes to lead a team to a championship. He not only was driving hard to the basket hard every time in the regular season but was also increasing the number of outside shots taken and they were going in. Now for potential, you can argue flynn has more...but better as of now, lawson easily is better, i think, and besides flynn is way to flashy and takes too many shots with his boy devendorf
How could you say Flynn is better then Lawson when Ty made the all american 2 team and was acc player of the year.....Flynn made honorable mention all american and doesn't have a better assist to turnover ratio then lawson..........Both will be good pg's in the league but I gotta go with Lawson as the best choice
Cshparp, are you trying to infer Lawson doesn't have the athletic ability. There was no one faster end to end than Lawson this season. I was on the fence in this debate before the tourney, but I give Lawson the edge now. Look at his a:t ratio, his fg%, and 3fg% they are just off the charts. He takes good, smart shots. He is developing a mid-range shot and is now equally lethal in the halfcourt and running the break. I will give you that Flynn may have more upside, but IMHO Lawson is the better player now. Lawson combines an off the chart basketball IQ and elite NBA level quickness.
Lawson had a slightly better college run but I think Jonny Flynn is the better player. He will be a better pro, an all star level point guard. Lawson will be just like Raymond Felton, a point guard who is a starter on a bad team but would be a great backup on a good,championship level squad
It's easy for us as fans to say that lawson was better than flynn or vice versa, but let me ask everyone a question, if lawson & flynn switched teams do u think carolina still wins the national championship? Just look @ the personell of both teams, carolina, obviously had better talent around lawson. Put those weapons around a player of flynn's caliber & tell me the outcome wouldn't have been same. Now, put lawson in flynn's shoes & ask yourself does syracuse make the run that they made in the big east & in the ncaa tournament?
Lawson is going to be a better pro because he's more of a pass first point guard. Flynn is more of a scorer play point guard, like a Jerrod Bayless. Lawson led a team with star power but he took that team to another level. Flynn had solid players as well, Harris and Devendorf were both McDonalds All-Americans. Flynn just didn't make them better once he got there. Lawson made Ellington a better shooter, made Hansbrough an All-American, and made defenses look slow. I give it to Flynn, he's tough as nails, strong and fast, but you are lying to yourself if you say Lawson isn't tougher, stronger and faster. He also has developed a much more consistent shot.
Flynn! Are you serious Jonny Flynn is..... more prudent and understands the game better. Ty Lawson is another Jordan Farmar. By the way Terrence Williams and James Harden aren't point guards. Top point guards in order:
1. Ricky Rubio
2. Brandon Jennings
3. Jonny Flynn
4. Eric Maynor
5. Patrick Mills
6. Jeff Teague
7. Ty Lawson
Csharp3410 has almost the same order. Woohoo!
Its Lawson, his impact on the game was tremendous. Even with Ellington and Tyler the offense just wasn't the same without Lawson's speed and playmaking ability. I think defensively Lawson has Flynn beat as well. Flynn is more dynamic though.
I don't know... I think the ACC is year in and year out the toughest college basketball conference in the nation so I gotta give the edge to Lawson.
This topic is all over this forum and people continually put Rubio, Jenings and Teague in their top 5 point guard listing even with the college season over and all the b-ball that has been played. I wonder, did any Teague fans notice that he was moved off the point and Ish Smith was running the show for the majority of the past season. Yep he was moved to the 2 because he was dominating the ball and not getting the other players in offense, it was the main reason Wake fell off after beating Duke. Yeah he put up alot of points and he tourched Lawson for 30+ early in the season but I'm sure you all know that scoring alot of points does not make you a great POINT guard....riiiiiiight (maybe you dont). My only beef with Rubio and Jennings is I know the majority off the people that list them as top points HAVE BARELY SEEN THEM PLAY. How you gonna go by youtube highlights and last years McDonalds allstar game.....SHAKE YOURSELFS PEOPLE, THATS NOT ENOUGH DATA. While I'm at it where is the love for Steph Curry? Does anyone realize that he was running a squad from DAVIDSON....did any of you even know that school had a basketball team before that kid starting giving everybody the business. It was nothing short of amazing what he did with that team this year considering the talent he was surrounded with. I watched him play several times and from a skills standpoint he is above average in every point guard catagory AND he is the best shooter amongst the lot of them. Anyway Lawson was the better college point because of his body of work (cant argue with what he accomplished) and I think he will be a solid pro but Flynn has a little higher upside and might be the better pro. (sorry for the long rant, just had to get that off my chest)
Edoom06
I think if Curry is going to play PG, he should be ranked among the best, but I'm not sold that he will continue to be a PG at the next level. I think he'd be much more effective off the ball and working off screens. I agree with you whole heartedly about Rubio and Jennings. I'm not sold on Rubio from what I saw. He may end up being a solid back up but I'm not really sold on Rubio as a can't miss prospect. I don't see him materialzing in the pros. I think Jennings may end up being like a Sebastian Telfair. Telfair had talent out the gym but he never put it together. He's a solid player now but not nearly the player people thought he would be. As far as Teague, he has bust written all over him. He needs another year of school for me. He's going to get to the next level and become a D-League star and a NBA 15th man.
I actually like Evans and Holiday too. Evans has a knack for getting to the basket and has the size and strength to finish around the rim. He needs a good coach to get him a little more disciplined though. I've liked Holiday since he got to UCLA. I'm not sold on whether or not he will be a PG because Collison ran the point this year. He'll be a solid defender and he has a decent mid range game as well....
Realistically you guys wouldn't even be having this argument if Flynn wouldn't have beat UCONN in the Big East Tourney in the 6 OT's or 5 whatever it was. Everyone has jumped his bandwagon because of it and its kinda sickening. He scored 30 plus points in 2 games worth of minutes. Not to mention started like 3-14 from the field. Bsihopm.dot says it best. Lawson made the UNC team what it is. Flynn didn't do crap with the syracuse team. They had just as much potential as UNC and they did nothing. Lawson made this year's team what it was.
Lawson is decent at best I mean he played at UNC with about 6 or 7 NBA talented players so they all fit there roles perfectly. Flynn is better than Lawson a better scorer and personally think he has a higher IQ. Flynn is probably the seond or third best pg in the draft behind Jennings. Heres my Top PGs in this draft and Patty Mills should not make the list at all.
1.Jennings
2.Tyreke
3.Flynn
4.Collison(Should have been drafted higher)
5.Teague or Maynor
Lawson had better college carrer no questions about that , but it looks like FLynn will be better in first years, and in a long run i wouldn't be suprised if lawson would be in same level but i'm still think FLynn is better
BTW Jennings starts to prove that he is might better than them both, mostly i like his three-point shooting, he is really not than raw.
my predicts:
for rookie year
1.Jennings
2.Flynn
3.Curry(just because he will p'ay more than player after him)
4.Teague
5.Beaubios
in 3-5yrs:
1.Jennings
2.Flynn
3.Rubio
4.Teague
5.Lawson
how wa flynn better in college then ty lawson?..that comment made no sense...also its kinda hard to say whos better in preseason seeing as ty is playing behind billups and ty is starting..if they switched teams flynn would be the back up and ty would be starting...here something interesting though...ty averages 4 less points 1 les assist while playing 8 less minutes
First of all, anyone who said that Syracuse had the same talent level as UNC, lets check the lineups shall we...
UNC- Ty Lawson, Wayne Ellington, Danny Green, Deon Thompson, Tyler Hansbrough
Syr- Jonny Flynn, Eric Devendorf, Paul Harris, Rick Jackson, Arinze Onuaku
Thats three first round picks to one. Green went in the second round, and Thompson projects as a late second rounder.
Harris and Devo went undrafted, Jackson and Onuaku optimistically can be drafted in the second round. The talent wasn't close.
For the guy who said the ACC was consistantly the toughest conference... did you watch the Big East last year? ACC is top heavy with underachievers (like Wake, GT), while last year you had Cuse, UConn, Pitt, Marquette, Louisville, Villanova, WVirginia, Notre Dame, with GTown underachieving. Last year the Big East was strongest by a wide margin.
Lawson wasn't in my top for this year because he won't get many minutes, when J.R. will be back Billups won't play any SG, this is just because of minutes, if not he is in the same level with FLynn and Jennings and Curry imo.
OK he should be 5th over Beaubios , but not haier..looking for next 3-5 i agree that he could be in top3
he will still get some minutes as a back up pg..just like the first game...this kid is good enough to earn minutes..george karl even said "trust me this kid will get minutes..hes that good"..he needs to be third on that list behind jennings and flynn
I think Flynn was a better college player and I think he will make a better NBA player than Lawson