[Vivid5292Participant]

As I was looking over the Clippers vs. Thunder game, I couldn’t help but notice how well of a passer Blake is. I’ve noticed this all season, but I think it hit me more seeing that he was just 2 assists shy of his first triple-double. I always thought that it should be necessary for a big man with good vision and a passing mentality to average a triple-double or at least come close to something like that. The closest thing we’ve seen to that was Garnett in his prime. The rebounds shouldn’t be a problem, assists come with good vision or good shooters to kick the ball out to, and points can come if you’re good. I think Blake is in a good position to average a triple double one year in his career and has a better chance than Lebron seeing that he’s a better rebounder. He’s very mobile and isn’t afraid to dribble up the court. His overall skills will get better too. If a team could surround Blake with good shooters, then he’ll do it. I’m thinking he’ll eventually leave the Clippers and head back home to Oklahoma City to play with Durant and Westbrook. They should have the cap space when the time comes seeing that they’re a new franchise and oding well with it now. That would be a dangerous, championship-contending team once Blake gets his defense together. What do you guys think? Thoughts?

[DanEboyParticipant]

Averaging 10 assists a game is ridiculously hard to do for a PG, let alone a PF.

[DanEboyParticipant]

Averaging 10 assists a game is ridiculously hard to do for a PG, let alone a PF.

[butidonthavemoney]

Just what I was thinking.

The most assists KG ever averaged in a game was 6.0, and that’s virtually unheard of for a big man.

[butidonthavemoney]

Just what I was thinking.

The most assists KG ever averaged in a game was 6.0, and that’s virtually unheard of for a big man.

[OhCanada-Participant]

He hasnt ever even had 10 assists in a game, why would he be able to average that.

[OhCanada-Participant]

He hasnt ever even had 10 assists in a game, why would he be able to average that.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Not a chance. Lebron is the only who even has a sliver of hope of averaging a triple double and even he isn’t really all that close. I don’t even really think it’s even possible in this day and age.  I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that Lebron’s numbers from last year when adjusted to the pace of Oscar Robertson’s teams, come out to a triple double. 

Some

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Not a chance. Lebron is the only who even has a sliver of hope of averaging a triple double and even he isn’t really all that close. I don’t even really think it’s even possible in this day and age.  I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that Lebron’s numbers from last year when adjusted to the pace of Oscar Robertson’s teams, come out to a triple double. 

Some

[ShekiruBoomParticipant]

 if lebron can’t do it, i’m sure blake griffin can’t do it

[ShekiruBoomParticipant]

 if lebron can’t do it, i’m sure blake griffin can’t do it

[JoeWolf1]

 Lebron would be the only guy playing currently who I think has a chance

There has been 1 guy in the history of the league who has doe it and as much as I love Blake Griffin, he is not that kind of talent.  Some other guys who came close in the past.  I personally think Griffin’s apg peak is probably around 6.

Wilt Chamberlain – 24.3 ppg 23.8 rpg 8.6 apg

Magic Johnson – 18.6 ppg 9.5 rpg 9.6 apg

Larry Bird – 28.1 ppg 9.2 apg 7.6 apg

Michael Jordan – 32.5 ppg 8 rpg 8 apg

Jason Kidd – 10.8 ppg 10.1 apg 7.5 rpg

 

[JoeWolf1]

 Lebron would be the only guy playing currently who I think has a chance

There has been 1 guy in the history of the league who has doe it and as much as I love Blake Griffin, he is not that kind of talent.  Some other guys who came close in the past.  I personally think Griffin’s apg peak is probably around 6.

Wilt Chamberlain – 24.3 ppg 23.8 rpg 8.6 apg

Magic Johnson – 18.6 ppg 9.5 rpg 9.6 apg

Larry Bird – 28.1 ppg 9.2 apg 7.6 apg

Michael Jordan – 32.5 ppg 8 rpg 8 apg

Jason Kidd – 10.8 ppg 10.1 apg 7.5 rpg

 

[DanEboyParticipant]

Sasha could do it….if he wanted to of course.

[DanEboyParticipant]

Sasha could do it….if he wanted to of course.

[Vivid5292Participant]

You’re missing my point. I’m saying if he had better shooters/finishers around him. I really think the only reason he hasn’t has 10 assists yet is because the Clippers aren’t that good of a shooting team. The best shooter he has is Eric Gordon and Blake himself is the does a majority of the scoring. If he had a better supporting cast, his assists would be up. I understand where you’re all coming from with the idea that Lebron would’ve been closest to doing it. I only think Lebron hasn’t been able to do it yet because he isn’t an assertive rebounder & his 7 years in Cleveland with a bad supporting cast didn’t help his case either. He got that triple-double Sunday because he had players that could finish. He could do it in Miami, but their "let play 1 on 1 every other play" mentality doesn’t help and again, his rebounding just isn’t as strong. I’m not saying it would be easy for Blake or that he will, but I think he COULD do it or COME CLOSE to it with better players around him. We’ve haven’t seen anyone with his type of skill set yet.

[Vivid5292Participant]

You’re missing my point. I’m saying if he had better shooters/finishers around him. I really think the only reason he hasn’t has 10 assists yet is because the Clippers aren’t that good of a shooting team. The best shooter he has is Eric Gordon and Blake himself is the does a majority of the scoring. If he had a better supporting cast, his assists would be up. I understand where you’re all coming from with the idea that Lebron would’ve been closest to doing it. I only think Lebron hasn’t been able to do it yet because he isn’t an assertive rebounder & his 7 years in Cleveland with a bad supporting cast didn’t help his case either. He got that triple-double Sunday because he had players that could finish. He could do it in Miami, but their "let play 1 on 1 every other play" mentality doesn’t help and again, his rebounding just isn’t as strong. I’m not saying it would be easy for Blake or that he will, but I think he COULD do it or COME CLOSE to it with better players around him. We’ve haven’t seen anyone with his type of skill set yet.

[esperanzafleet69Participant]

i mean, blake is a good passer that works through the double well, but he will never average a triple double… but, im sure he will have his fair share…  hes had multiple 20pt+, 10reb+, 7ast+ games this year…

 

 

[esperanzafleet69Participant]

i mean, blake is a good passer that works through the double well, but he will never average a triple double… but, im sure he will have his fair share…  hes had multiple 20pt+, 10reb+, 7ast+ games this year…

 

 

[JoeWolf1]

I’m really curious to see what kind of player Lebron develops into when he gets older.  If he realizes his potential down on the block he could be a 10+ rpg player IMO.  He isn’t that comfortable there now at 6’8” 250  so i’m not sure it will ever happen, but if he were to realize his potential as a combo forward and keep his playmaking attitude I seriously think he could be a legit threat to average a triple double ( and I’m saying this as a guy who doesn’t really like him).

It takes a player running the offense and really emphasising creating shots for teammates to average 10 assists per game.  Sure Blake is a good post passer and can create outside shots for outside shots in response to 3 pointers, but to think he would be a guy who could or come close to averaging 10 assists per game seems a little far fatched.  He’s a bruiser with increasing skill, but he’s never going to run an offense, 6 apg for him is reachable IMO and that is exceptional for the type of player he is.  Wilt himself the most dominant scorer of all time only averaged 8.6 assists per game (most of them coming off double and triple teams) as a purely post player. 

[JoeWolf1]

I’m really curious to see what kind of player Lebron develops into when he gets older.  If he realizes his potential down on the block he could be a 10+ rpg player IMO.  He isn’t that comfortable there now at 6’8” 250  so i’m not sure it will ever happen, but if he were to realize his potential as a combo forward and keep his playmaking attitude I seriously think he could be a legit threat to average a triple double ( and I’m saying this as a guy who doesn’t really like him).

It takes a player running the offense and really emphasising creating shots for teammates to average 10 assists per game.  Sure Blake is a good post passer and can create outside shots for outside shots in response to 3 pointers, but to think he would be a guy who could or come close to averaging 10 assists per game seems a little far fatched.  He’s a bruiser with increasing skill, but he’s never going to run an offense, 6 apg for him is reachable IMO and that is exceptional for the type of player he is.  Wilt himself the most dominant scorer of all time only averaged 8.6 assists per game (most of them coming off double and triple teams) as a purely post player. 

[JoeWolf1]

 He’s averaging 3.6 as a rookie, how is there no chance he’ll ever increase that by 1.4 apg as he matures as a player?

He’s also averaging 4.5 assists per game in 21 Clippers wins and 4.2 in 30 home games.  5 isn’t even close to being an outlandish prediction, he’s almost averaged 5 in over half of his games this year as a rookie!

[JoeWolf1]

 He’s averaging 3.6 as a rookie, how is there no chance he’ll ever increase that by 1.4 apg as he matures as a player?

He’s also averaging 4.5 assists per game in 21 Clippers wins and 4.2 in 30 home games.  5 isn’t even close to being an outlandish prediction, he’s almost averaged 5 in over half of his games this year as a rookie!

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

The funny thing is he was very serious during this thread lol. There will never be another player to average a triple double in the NBA… Not even LeBron James.

And @blood… IF you hate Blake Griffin, I don’t know what to tell you! I don’t understand how anybody could hate Griffin to be honest. He’s exciting to watch. He plays hard. Always puts on a show for the fans. And he’s humble. He’s down to Earth and you can just tell that everything he says/does is natural. It’s who he is and he doesn’t force anything. He’s no front runner.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

The funny thing is he was very serious during this thread lol. There will never be another player to average a triple double in the NBA… Not even LeBron James.

And @blood… IF you hate Blake Griffin, I don’t know what to tell you! I don’t understand how anybody could hate Griffin to be honest. He’s exciting to watch. He plays hard. Always puts on a show for the fans. And he’s humble. He’s down to Earth and you can just tell that everything he says/does is natural. It’s who he is and he doesn’t force anything. He’s no front runner.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Why don’t we let Blake Griffin GET a triple double before saying he has a snowballs chance in hell of AVERAGING a triple double. I will give Blake props, his assists numbers as a rookie PF are incredibly stellar. If you are averaging 3.6 assists as a PF, you are more than likely a very adept passer. But, honestly, Kevin Love is a magnificent passer and he averages fewer assists than Blake, and I have a hard time saying Blake has better court vision than K-Love. Not to mention, the two most consistent players to come close to a triple double in the last while in the NBA are LeBron and J-Kidd, and neither of them were that close to averaging one for the season. In Magic Johnson’s third year in the league, he was .4 boards and .5 assists away from doing it, and in my opinion, that is about as close as you will get to someone doing it other than Oscar.

One thing Blake might be able to do that would be impressive would be as a PF to average 20-10-5 (over those averages, but nonetheless bettering each category). KG and Larry Bird both did that multiple times and it is a very impressive plateau. But, to say Blake Griffin has a better chance to average a triple double than LeBron James due to him averaging a double seems slightly farfetched. LeBron averages 7 and 7 in both categories for his career, but he is basically a walking triple double with the ability to get one in any game he plays. Yet, he still has never come close to averaging one and I never think he will. Rondo is also much more likely to average one than Griffin, but he will never grab 10 boards per game for a full season, much like Jason Kidd never did.

Well, in 65 NBA seasons, with thousands of players, only one has ever averaged a triple double in a season (his first five seasons averaged into one, but he only had one season that he actually hit the over 10-10-10 averages all at the same time). It is far too difficult and as a big man, you would more than likely have to go out of your way to do it, probably not even benefitting your team in the process. Wilt Chamberlain literally went out of his way to get assists, and while his team had pretty solid success in Wilt’s two big assist years, the guy was also pulling down 24 rebounds a game. As I said though, 5 assists would be a reasonable goal, and if Blake ever goes over Larry Bird’s average for his career (6.3 apg), I would be incredibly surprised.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Why don’t we let Blake Griffin GET a triple double before saying he has a snowballs chance in hell of AVERAGING a triple double. I will give Blake props, his assists numbers as a rookie PF are incredibly stellar. If you are averaging 3.6 assists as a PF, you are more than likely a very adept passer. But, honestly, Kevin Love is a magnificent passer and he averages fewer assists than Blake, and I have a hard time saying Blake has better court vision than K-Love. Not to mention, the two most consistent players to come close to a triple double in the last while in the NBA are LeBron and J-Kidd, and neither of them were that close to averaging one for the season. In Magic Johnson’s third year in the league, he was .4 boards and .5 assists away from doing it, and in my opinion, that is about as close as you will get to someone doing it other than Oscar.

One thing Blake might be able to do that would be impressive would be as a PF to average 20-10-5 (over those averages, but nonetheless bettering each category). KG and Larry Bird both did that multiple times and it is a very impressive plateau. But, to say Blake Griffin has a better chance to average a triple double than LeBron James due to him averaging a double seems slightly farfetched. LeBron averages 7 and 7 in both categories for his career, but he is basically a walking triple double with the ability to get one in any game he plays. Yet, he still has never come close to averaging one and I never think he will. Rondo is also much more likely to average one than Griffin, but he will never grab 10 boards per game for a full season, much like Jason Kidd never did.

Well, in 65 NBA seasons, with thousands of players, only one has ever averaged a triple double in a season (his first five seasons averaged into one, but he only had one season that he actually hit the over 10-10-10 averages all at the same time). It is far too difficult and as a big man, you would more than likely have to go out of your way to do it, probably not even benefitting your team in the process. Wilt Chamberlain literally went out of his way to get assists, and while his team had pretty solid success in Wilt’s two big assist years, the guy was also pulling down 24 rebounds a game. As I said though, 5 assists would be a reasonable goal, and if Blake ever goes over Larry Bird’s average for his career (6.3 apg), I would be incredibly surprised.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

The speed that games are played at in the NBA would have to change so that there are many more possessions per game for anyone to average a tripple double. It was primarily pace of play and league-wide bad FG% that allowed Oscar to get to double digits rebounding. Remember that when Oscar did it, a great rebounder averaged 20+ a game. Oscar’s 10+ rebound was great for a guard, but it wasn’t especially great rebounding in general.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

The speed that games are played at in the NBA would have to change so that there are many more possessions per game for anyone to average a tripple double. It was primarily pace of play and league-wide bad FG% that allowed Oscar to get to double digits rebounding. Remember that when Oscar did it, a great rebounder averaged 20+ a game. Oscar’s 10+ rebound was great for a guard, but it wasn’t especially great rebounding in general.

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

its clutch to be able to pass to EJ Gordon and the Baron out of a double team…..or throw it up at the rim to Al Farouq…..

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

its clutch to be able to pass to EJ Gordon and the Baron out of a double team…..or throw it up at the rim to Al Farouq…..

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

You guys do know that Chris Webber also averaged 3.6 apg as a rookie and never averaged more than 5.4 in his career

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

You guys do know that Chris Webber also averaged 3.6 apg as a rookie and never averaged more than 5.4 in his career

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Hell, even Tom Gugliotta averaged 3.8 assists per game in his rookie year.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Hell, even Tom Gugliotta averaged 3.8 assists per game in his rookie year.

[flyboyParticipant]

He has a great feel for the game, but it’s very hard to envision a big man, especially a player like Blake, averaging 10+ assists night in and night out.

[flyboyParticipant]

He has a great feel for the game, but it’s very hard to envision a big man, especially a player like Blake, averaging 10+ assists night in and night out.

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

he’ll never average a 3/2 but he can put a few up for sure…..like maybe 7 or 8 a year….

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

he’ll never average a 3/2 but he can put a few up for sure…..like maybe 7 or 8 a year….

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