Aww using the maturity card, because you dont know what your talking about?
I just want you to explain why their is such a huge discrepancy between Shannon and all of those scrubs that you swear are better
Is the game making this up ? Do you think the game is all bull?
Not one time did I say they were better . I said that Belinelli and Weems but up better stats in less minutes, Derozan basically had the same stats, and that Brown isn't outright better than any of the SG's on Toronto's roster.
Same Production? Belinelli plays for the Raptors they get all freedom to chuck shoots, the Lakers play a championship brand of basketball we have a winning system(the triangle).
-Belinelli had 7.1 ppg in only 66 games(the most he ever played in his career because he isn't durable) he shot 40% and he desn't play a lick of defense
- Weems played 69 games avg 7.5ppg shot 50% from the field but omg he shot 13% 3pts in 20mpg
-Shannon on the other hand avg 8.1 ppg and he played in all 82 games and shot 43% and he has to play behind Kobe most of the time, he hardly plays the point
Is the game making this up ? Do you think the game is all bull?
DYNCE, I agree with you that Brown > Weems, but I strongly discourage you from using NBA 2k10 as your tell all of a players value
M DYMES why would you discourage me from using it as a source? they are dead on about every single player.
They have Kobe better than Lehype which is true
and they also have CP3 better than Dwill which is also true, just because Paul was injured this season everyone thinks DWill passed him up lol, its just like Kobe and Lebron, Kobe was injured all season, but I didn't hear the media talking about it like Lehypes phony elbow injury
There ya go, real statistics. Thats what I like to see. +1 for you. Keep it up.
Wow...when you put the numbers up, I guess all I can say is: Forum Doofus.
They have Kobe better than Lehype which is true
Derozan better than Shannon is just laughable, maybe in the future if he goes to the right team but not now
Weems took less than a 3 a game so that 13% only says that Brown is a better shooter, and that didn't effect his scoring efficiency at all. He still shot 50%. Weems scored less than a point less than Brown, in about a minute a game different PT. He's not better than Brown at all. They are about the same caliber player.
Since when does the Raptors just let you chuck shots? He plays on the same team with Chris Bosh, Bargnani, and Jarrett Jack. Shots aren't that easy to come by at all. He almost scored more than Brown in less minutes. Brown shot like 1% better than Bellinelli.
Brown is only SLIGHTLY better than any of them outright. You guys were trying to say that Brown could come in Toronto and average 14 ppg. That's not true at all. He's like a very little bit better than the current guys that the Raptors have. He's not going to be good enough to change their SG-by-comittee approach. So there is no need for him to be on their roster.
-Brown is a better 3pt shooter(which is huge for the Raptors)
-Better at attacking the rack and finishing
-He has better handles
-He is a better passer
-Better on ball defender
-Better shot of the dribble
Is there any facet of the game that Weems is better at?
Derozans a better defender, scorer, rebounder, plus hes nowhere near what hes gonna be, no way Browns better.
I don't have the updated ratings with me, but I believe they struggle when it comes to some players, especially bench and hustle players attributes. I'm going to try to find a link to updated player ratings so I can make a more specific post but there are some ratings that I remember strongly disagreeing with.
And I think Kobe is a better shooter/leader/maybe on ball defender, but LeBron is pretty much taking the cake when it comes to everything else. I'm not even a huge LBJ fan (bigger fan of Kobe's) but you gotta be able to admit that.
There are so many things you can do in real life basketball that are neglected in NBA 2k10 (LBJ's come from behind blocks, ability to maneuver in a real life fashion...etc.) that I can not base players abilities off of video game ratings.
Video games don't understand the effect of team chemistry, playing systems, and other things that have an effect on player attributes. If a player doesn't fit in a system, and is ineffective in a system, and you update a roster, the ratings for the player may go down alot worse than a player actually is.
For example, if Shannon Brown was as ineffective as he was for the 1st 3 teams he played for, his rating wouldn't be 74. It would be more like the 57 or whatever you said Sonny Weems' rating was. All because he found a niche with the Lakers. It's not a grwat indicator of a player's true ability at all. Just watch basketball, video games are meant to be played. Not a great way to base your knowledge.
Guys...why are you even arguing with the Forum Doofus?
Last One For The Night: Forum Doofus.
Sonny Weems is a 61 and Shannon is a 74. When Weems played for the Nuggets he was like a 59 he went up probably 2 points, the sad thing about it is that Weems is getting his chance to shine on the Raptors so give me a break. You can think that the ratings are off but 13 points is a huge discrepancy bro
Shannon Brown shot 47% from inside the 2-point line. Weems shot 53%. Weems is better at finishing. SO your wrong.
Brown averaged 1.3 assists. Weems averaged 1.5 assists. Weems is a better passer. Wrong again.
I don't have the stats to prove it, but Weems can pull up off the dribble and shoot very well. It's probably his best attribute in terms of actual basketball skill. Brown is more of a spot-up shooter.
They are about the same on defense.
Brown is a slightly better ball-handler and 3-point shooter. That's about where it ends in terms of his clear cut advantages.
you just blew the triangle offense off didn't you? The Lakers move the ball around more than the Raptors, it is harder to get assist in the triangle than your typical offenses, Lehype would never avg his assists in the triangle.
I think you also forgot to mention that Weems played 13 less games if you don't play your stats stay the same. There has been so many games were Brown only played 5-10 mpg so I really don't take the stats to seriously to be honest. When he was given the chance to play big minutes he shined in a number of games stop hating.
Even more excuses. Who knows, if Weems woould've played more games, he may have had better stats across the board. That argument can be used both ways, so lets just leave it out.
most likely weems stats would have gone down, and the triangle offense is a valid excuse, there hasn't been a player that avg more than 6 assist in the offense.
The year that Phil wasn't the coach Kobe averaged his career high in assists(6apg) with scrubs
I think Shannon Brown is a little better then Mr. 6000 is saying and worse then DNYCE is saying. I believe if he played 30 min he could score an inefficient 14 ppg, but like Mr. 6000 said, they do sg by commitee in Toronto and Brown is not good enough to change that. So him getting 30 min a game their wouldn't happen. I believe Shannon could start for 2-5 teams in the NBA. Not 1 or 15.
Only 2-5 teams?
Name the 25-28 teams that he couldn't start for
Labeling him as a pg or sg?
Shannon Brown is a SG, he hardly plays point guard
Im still waiting after 1600 views to hear a better deal for the Raptors. Know one can think of a better deal, because there isn't a better deal. People are talking about Shannon Brown like he is a scrub lol, without a doubt Shannon is a better player than Derozan at this point. Shannon will start right away for the Raptors, anyone denying this just doesn't know basketball to well.
Come up with a trade that you truly think Bosh would agree to, not some nonense like Bosh to Philly LMAO or Bosh to the Jazz
Teams he could start for:
New York Knicks (he would start over House, and Mcgrady.)
Washington Wizards ( would start with their roster right now.)
Teams he could possibly start for:
Chicago Bulls(this is close, but ill take Hinrichs defense.)
Indiana Pacers( this is close, id take Rush barely but it could go either way.)
Utah Jazz (close but ill take Matthews.)
Oklahoma City Thunder (ill take Sefoloshas defense.)
Teams he wouldnt start for:
New Jersey Nets
Golden State Warriors
Los Angeles Clippers
New Orleans Hornets
San Antonio Spurs
Portland Trail Blazers
Why would Shannon start over Derozan?
Atlanta (Johnson), Boston (R.Allen), Charlotte (Jackson), Chicago (Hinrich, he isn't a true sg, but overall better player), Cleveland (Parker, debatable), Dallas (Butler), Denver (Afflalo/JR Smith, might be better then Afflalo, not close to Smith), Detroit (Hamilton), G-State (Ellis), Houston (Martin), LAC (Gordon), LAL (Bryant, could start at pg though), Memphis (Mayo), Miami (Wade), Milwaukee (Salmons/Redd), New Jersey (Lee/Williams/CDR, not sure who starts but they are all better), New Orleans (Thornton), New York (Chandler/Walker/McGrady), OKC (Harden), Orlando (Carter), Philly (Iggy,even out of his true position he is way better), Phoenix (Richardson), Portland (Roy), San Antontio (Hill/Ginobili), Toronto (Derozan, younger, bigger, improved a lot, will be better next year easily), Utah (Mathews), Wizards (Young/Foye/Thornton/Miller/Howard, whatever oen them starts at sg)
Temas he would start for: Pacers (possibly), Lakers (as pg), Wolves (no good sg on roster), Sacramento (If you consider Reke a pg, if not then don't count this team)
That is 6 at best if you count Cleveland and Toronto, and 1 at worst (MN)
Atlanta (Johnson- I agree), Boston (R.Allen-debatable next season because Ray is getting old), Charlotte (Jackson-I agree), Chicago (Hinrich, he isn't a true sg, but overall better player-I agree), Cleveland (Parker, debatable-? Shannon is a better overall player than Anthony Parker im not buying that), Dallas (Butler-Agree), Denver (Afflalo/JR Smith, might be better then Afflalo, not close to Smith-Shannon is better than both of them JR Smith is overrated and Shannon will make the same impact next year on the Raptors), Detroit (Hamilton-Agree), G-State (Ellis-Agree), Houston (Martin-Agree, but he is weak), LAC (Gordon-Agree but this is a very close one), LAL (Bryant, could start at pg though-Agree), Memphis (Mayo-Agree), Miami (Wade-Agree), Milwaukee (Salmons/Redd-Agree), New Jersey (Lee/Williams/CDR, not sure who starts but they are all better-Disagree), New Orleans (Thornton-disagree), New York (Chandler/Walker/McGrady-Shannon would definitely start he is better than Walker and Mcgrady at this point and Chandler is a SF that is forced to play SG on a garbage team), OKC (Harden-Agree,but Harden doesn't even start over Sefolosha ), Orlando (Carter-Agree), Philly (Iggy,even out of his true position he is way better-Agree), Phoenix (Richardson-Agree), Portland (Roy-Agree), San Antontio (Hill/Ginobili-better than Hill), Toronto (Derozan, younger, bigger, improved a lot, will be better next year easily-Derozan is a SF and Shannon is better), Utah (Mathews-Disagree), Wizards (Young/Foye/Thornton/Miller/Howard, whatever oen them starts at sg- Young-No, Foye-No(PG), Thornton-No(SF that the Clippers got rid of, think about that for a minute), Miller-(NO he is washed up and he is injury prone), Howard(Is on that washed up pathas well and he is a SF)
Sactown- he would definitely start over Garcia, Evans is their best point guard at the moment
Pacers-Of course, they wanted him in the offseason but they had to settle for Dahntay Jones
TWolves-Without a doubt
Brewer starts at shooting guard, hes a natural 3 but hes a better player than Brown.
Just one more team off my list then.
Mathews was a rookie and put up better numbers, and is way more skilled. JR Smith is definitely better then Brown. Terrence Williams and Courtney Lee are definitely better, CDR is slightly better imo. M.Thornton is way better, rookie too. McGrady is better overall player still, Derozan will be better next year. Wizards I concede to you, and you take Reke as a pg, so Kings are yours as well.
Evans is their shooting guard, Udrih is their point guard no way he starts there.
I consider Chandler a small forward but if u play him at shooting guard hes better than Brown.
Matthews- has better numbers because he starts
JR Smith- is a chucker look at his numbers, he isn't a better defender than Brown and Brown is probably 6'2 lol
Terrance Wlliams and CDR, Lee- those are toss ups, Im willing to put my money on Shannon to get the starting position over all of them if they went to traning camp together
Marcs Thrornton- way better? Based on what? Putting up good numbers on a lottery team?AND HE IS ABOUT TO BE 23 IN JUNE SHANNON IS 24
McGrady- is about to retire,so why are you using him in his debate?
Derozan- Will be better its possible, but he isn't better at this point and he is a true SF