am i missing something?? when did new york become an attractive team for free agents?? when is the last time the knicks signed a big free agent? people also mention a few things when it comes to being an attractive spot.... tax n.y = bad / weather n.y = bad / team n.y = terrible...
i'm from toronto and know what it is to have a team that thinks too much of itself ( toronto maple leafs ) and the reality is that the only time lebron/wade/bosh is going to go to the knicks is when one of them is on their last legs around 36 or 37 yrs old looking to steal a little money at the end of there career.
so much history and hype in new york compared to other nba cities. in 2010 they should have enough cap room to bring in some players. not to mention a lot of these guys are close with on another, and if they want to team up to win a championship, i dont think it necessarily matters what city it is 100%.. they would rather play for the chance at a championship then critique the tax etc. i cant see lebron going to ny right now since cleveland is a piece ot two away from a title while miami and toronto are not close. look for these stars on bad teams to possibly team up on a roster with cap space in the 2010 market because they will get their $
hey you never know if all 3 of them new they wanted to go there.....the weather wouldnt matter the tax wouldnt matter.....the team wouldnt be terrible they would when championships and thats alll the players would want.....it would be the best big 3 in nba history.........im not saying any of them would go im saying if all 3 talked to each other about going to the knicks then none of them will care about what u are saying
wade, james, and bosh will never be on the same nba team. there are many reasons why, but the two big ones are money and touches.
ohh i noo they wouldnt but im just saying they would only care about wins and C-Chips not the weather or tax
wow... u really think that lebron / wade and bosh will end up in new york. this is big business not the public school play ground. players have egos do u really think that wade wants to be second string to any player and i dont care if there "friends" and played on team u.s.a together... and what happens to all the great playoff match ups if u have 3 of the leagues stars on one team in the prime of their careers? u think in a league that is based on pushing star match ups that d. stern would be up for that? more importantly how would the knicks get rid of all the players on their rosters to have the money to aquire all three and want money would they have to fill out the rest of the roster?
waoh chill i dont even think lebron will go to NY what r u talkin about ?
1st off it financially isnt possibel. Second, you'll never see a big 3 like that w/ players in their prime b/c it affects their career numbers. Thats why players do all that 'lets all get on the same team' when theyre older and time is ticking on getting a ring.
thank you for being on of the few smart people in the world. The knicks are like any other team in the league except they have a lot of $ to spend and will get the space in 2010. First, some of these big names like LBJ and Wade will probably resign with their current teams. Second, if a big name signs, he will be starting from 0. The current knicks roster has potential but is not that much different from any other team. The best bet for the knicks is reuniting a'mare with d'antoni. he wants to be the guy on the team, remember?
I live in Chicago and I don't understand the allure of being in a city like New York. Seriously, I'm saying that I live in a big city and know what it's like. So, it's not like I live on a farm and I'm scared of tall buildings. It's just, the city itself is dirty, it's filled with as sholes, too big, you can't drive, weather sucks, etc.
That being said, there are millions of people who absolutely love it. It's considered to be one of the top cities in the world. I actually like Toronto a lot. There is a lot to love there and I am sure that the Raptors will be able to find the right combination of guys who would absolutely love to call it home very soon. But, when you talk about the "World's Greatest Cities" you have New York, Paris, Tokyo. Toronto isn't even on the short list. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be but the fact is that it's not. I mean, Vancouver is a beautiful place as well and I would love to live there so maybe I don't understand the thinking of an NBA athlete. But, saying that New York isn't an attractive destination is silly.
Of course, when you watch baseball it seems that the Yankees are a great haven for great baseball players. It seems that A Rod, Jeter, Damon, etc. all love being New Yorkers. But, you do have a point when you say that the Knicks have never won anything. Look, I know that Willis Reed limped out to help win and I know that Phil Jackson really has 10 rings (1 as a Knick player) but they haven't been champions recently. But, LeBron James would instantly become the best Knick of all time. He would be playing his games in Madison Square Garden, a place where Jordan and Kobe would want to elevate their games to the highest level every time they are there.
For me, I wouldn't want to be a New Yorker for many of the reasons you said. The city isn't warm like LA year round, the team doesn't have the rich history that even the Philadelphia 76ers have, and the team doesn't offer anything that LeBron, Bosh, or Wade couldn't get on a bunch of other rosters. That being said, it's pretty short sighted to think that a lot of people on this earth wouldn't want to live there. I mean, there are people in the United States and even some people in other countries who dream of living in New York. Seriously, that is their life long dream...to live in New York.
I dont think they all will go, but alot of your logic is the same thing people said about boston and how pp,kg and ray wouldn't work together and I think that was fine in the long run..ask kobe... Plus team USA show'd they all know how to play with other stars. Also to say wade wouldn't wanna play side kick to another star? hes the only one in the group who actually has a ring so he'd be main man. And to say mia is far away from winning a title? you put lebron on that team and they could run with anyone...bosh...not so much...Hes not really that dominant. So i'd see 2 on a team together as highly possible, but all 3? nah.....and cleveland isn't winning anything anytime soon...they got a good record this year beating up on the crappy teams in the league and got spanked by all the top teams...they were like 2-7 against the celts,lakers and magic in the regular season.
Duh... They make more money in New York or LA. And the reason we havent signed any big free agents is that we havent been under the cap in 20 years!!! Anyways, take Bosh off Toronto and the Knicks would stomp you out as is. Same goes for Cleveland and Miami.
while they havn't won anything in a while they were still one of the most popular teams in the 90s behind the bulls (they can thank the constant beatings MJ gave them for that) and they went to the finals. But like someone said, they havn't gotten big stars since they've always been over the cap after over paying old superstars who broke down like houston, ewing, larry johnson etc...thats why everyone they did get was either through draft of isiah trading away a bad contract to get a bad contract..your not gonna get a star doin that. So they decide to just say screw 2 seasons and let contracts expire= plenty of money to sign superstars. I'd take lebron/wade/amare in ny before i'd want bosh there. Bosh is like a young softer j oneal.
I dont like Bosh either. The only star I see us getting is Amare. Thats as close to a sure thing we can get. Wade and Lebron are staying put.
better system to play in-NY
better supporting cast-CLE but if NY gets Bosh/Amare it changes
more media exposure-NY
Bigger salary NY
and deshawnsky your arguments are bad taxes( when your making 30 mill who gives a damn) and weather( when was the last time you saw a pro bball game being played outdoors, but if you want to get into weather LeBron plays in the "mistake on the lake" notorious for bad climate, Bosh plays in friggin Canada where it snows for the entire season for a team equally as bad as the Knicks
Cleveland's supporting cast isnt all that great. Compare the Cavs without Lebron to the Knicks.
Cleveland New York
Big Z * Lee
Varejao * Harrington
Pavlovic * Chandler
West * Hughes
Mo * Duhon
Big Ben * Wilcox
Booby * Nate?
Wally * Q
The knicks cast is better. Any arguements? Only Mo wins the head to head for the Cavs.
Plus Gallinari and #8
they have a good chance of getting one of the big three but two of them is unrealistic.
on paper the knicks look better. but i would take delonte west over larry hughes. he plays better d and shoots better. and q, nate, hughes, and al just jack it up when they get a touch.
ur argument makes no sense. i dont hink lebron is coming to new york because i believe he is determined to make cleveland matter, and i think wade would go to chicago before he came to ny, but bosh will have ny on top of his list. If we can get joe johnson too thats a great team
pg-8th pick (curry, flynn, etc...)
6th man- wilson chandler
this is all determined on whether we can get rid of jeffries or curry, which i dont think will be too hard (at least in jeffries case) if we package them with nate
The knicks are a virtual lock to sign Amare. They will have enough cap room to sign James, Wade, or Johnson. Ideally I want Amare and maybe go after a more inexpensive player like Lemarcus Aldridge. That would be a very athletic and skilled front court.
Good call knicksfreak, the last time the Knicks were under the cap they just happened to sign the two most coveted free agents on the market (Allan Houston and Chris Childs).
It's ridiculous to think that the Knicks haven't been under the cap since then...but it's true. That's what happens when you have the two worst NBA GM's in history back to back (Layden then Thomas).
1) Its Impossible to have a 30 million dollar salary in the NBA... And LBJ hasn't been in the league long enough to get 80% of that... Bring that number down to 16 million but for the CAVS since they are the only team to offer him the most money... LEAGUE RULES something called the CBA...
2) What endorsements? I hear this all the time but I don't see it... You guys have the best player in baseball and I don't see him on 1/4 of the commercials I see LeBron in... Before the damn steriods... You had a superbowl team a year ago and I didn't see Eli Manning more than I did before that season... LeBron don't need NY for that...
3) System? Mikey D doesn't have a clue on how to coach defense... Why would anyone think they would win playing that way? Especially a player that knows defense wins championships... Not to mention he's gunning for the greatest player ever, can't do that in that system... It makes ANYONE look good... Duhon? Nash? Nate? Lee?
4) Half of the players you named will be gone by 2010... Their contracts are up... If the Knicks sign Nate and Lee back this year, they will only have 17 mil to give... That's 15 mil to give to LBJ then who is? Hughes, Duhon, Q, Al, and Wilcox aren't staying for minimum salary... So the sqaud would be Nate, Chandler, Lee, and Dano? LOL... Yea, thats a team!!! He has much more flex with the Cavs then the freaking Knicks...
5) The Nets will be the better decision... Harris, Lopez, Carter, and Yi... Not to mention a New Arena and Jay-Z.. That's if him, Wade, or Bosh choose NY...
For the 50th time, the Nets will be in New Jersey for AT LEAST the next two seasons. The Brooklyn stadium hasn't even been started.
D'Antoni doesn't know anything about defense? Did you know Thibodeau's name before Garnett joined the Celtics? Do you honestly think Mike Brown is a good defensive coach? His team was embarassed by a high pick and roll featuring Hedo and Howard (a 3rd tier player and a guy who can't hit a 5 footer). How great was Pat Riley without Wade two years ago? The Suns gave up a lot of points, but their defensive numbers were actually pretty good...when the Knicks have better defenders (only Chandler plays D currently), the Knicks will be a better defensive team.
It has been, and it always will be, a PLAYER'S LEAGUE.
Did you just say, "How great was Pat Riley without Wade two years ago?" He has put together some teams in the past as well. A couple of down years doesn't make a coaches resume. He won in Miami (not a championship, but good teams) by putting together teams with Alonzo, Tim Hardaway, Dan Majerle, PJ Brown, Anthony Mason, Brian Grant, Eddie Jones, etc. All-Stars? Yes, some of them. But, from the Lakers to the Knicks to the Heat, all of Riley's teams have been GREAT defensively, well before he had the pleasure of drafting and coaching Dwyane Wade. You would have a hard time getting anyone to agree that Mike D'Antoni is as good of a defensive mind as Pat Riley. Your point that the NBA is a players league doesn't support your argument. D'Antoni had some of, if not THE most talented teams in the league for a few years straight and if they had a better defensive mindset they might have been able to accomplish more. Choosing to bench a guy who can give you more offense, like Riley disciple Eric Spoelstra did with Michael Beasley, to create a team (and an individual player's) attitude towards defense is what allows teams a chance to win more consistently even when the talent isn't at the same level as other teams. Yes, Dwyane Wade is AMAZING, but the rest of the supporting cast wasn't really playoff caliber (evidenced by the worst record in the league with an injury riddled season by Wade and the trading of Shaq the previous season) yet the Heat had the 5th seed in the East this year. I like D'Antoni, but if there is one thing that is a knock on him it is that his particular style of play isn't a "defense first" style. Time will tell if that is successful or not. So far, it hasn't been enough to win a championship with championship-level talent.
Your point on Mike Brown, he did get out-coached. You are right. How many times was he going to allow the same mismatches kill the Cavs? It made Stan Van Gundy look like a genius.
You are also right that Madison Square Garden is considered the "Mecca of Basketball". It's not my cup of tea, but NBA player's all say that they love it. Being a 25-year old making 9 figures in NY would be pretty cool. I'm still in my 20's, but maybe since I have kids I have an aversion to having so many people on top of each other, which is why I live away from the downtown area of Chicago. I have never been to Madison Square Garden. Knicksfreak, I am assuming you have. What's so cool about it? I don't mean that in a negative way, I seriously would like to know. Wrigley Field is cool because it has an "old school" vibe to it and it has a ton of history. I am assuming that is a similar feeling to MSG.
Have you ever been to New York? Lebron's pick could be up in Times Square where Diddy's is. Its not the amount of endorsements(even though a-rod had like 20 before the steroid thing) but the bonuses big stars get for playing in big markets. Nike will supposedly give Lebron a $50 mil bonus for playing in New York or LA. We're not going to re-sign Nate.
People just said Bosh, LeBron and Wade could play well together after the olympics. That doesn't work because Wade isn't leaving Miami. Also whoever thinks LeBron is leaving to head to Chicago is clueless. The Bulls already have Deng for 5 years & Salmons the next 2 thats 16 mill for 2 Sf's. Bulls are trying to resign Ben Gordon somehow that doesn't work into the concept of saving cap room for 2010. People think LeBron is signing with Chicago because Rose was rookie of the year that doesn't make him Jason Kidd now. I can see LeBron and Bosh playing on the same team in 2010 whether thats Cleveland, NY or another team who knows but it won't be Chicago. Only chance Chicago really had was getting Wade & he already said he's not leaving Miami not now that the team is young and improving.
Last I checked guys still wanted to play in NY a lot of player been saying that ever since they traded some bad contracts away. The Knicks haven't signed a big free agent in years because they've been over the cap every year. If you want to go by tax than I guess every big name guy is signing with the 3 Texas teams but they don't have much cap room. Give me a break if you knew about the economy and real estate these guys could clean up. This is the time when the rich buy and expand in big cities like NY. As for bad weather are these cities considered good weather cities Cleveland, Toronto, Boston, Chicago, Indiana, Minnesota, Denver, Utah, Portland, Philadelphia, New Jersey, Milwaukee, Detroit the list long enough for you.
their defensive numbers were pretty good? LOL... Are you F ucking serious? They were the worst defensive team above .500... You idiot.... And that won them 1 trip to the conference finals and still no respect for any of the players on that roster...
All you f ucks are talking about these what "ifs"... LeBron will get more than that messly 50 million going over seas so he's going to do that, by your reasoning... New Yorkers... The Only people who cares about NY is New Yorkers and Foreigners... The people who live in this country can visit that rat hell hole, not be envious over it... Get your head out your a$$ and realize "if" LBJ decides to go to the Knicks, he's saying its not about winning its about being "flashy"... If that's the case you can have him... I gaurentee he won't win a single title... But him going to the Knicks is dumb...
And Knicks freak where is the article about these bonuses? I see LBJ in more commercials than Kobe!!! Kobe is in LA!!!
read this to your myth!!! http://www.cnbc.com/id/27925375?__source=RSS*blog*&par=RSS
Where do you live on a freaking farm in Nebraska? Wake up! MSG is the Mecca of basketball said by every basketball player including Lebron. Its ignorant little fools like you that have never left your small town that cant wrap your mind around the fact that Cleveland isnt and never will be like New York. Its common knowledge that athletes, including Lebron get bonuses from sponsors for playing in big markets. They gave that $50 million statement when he came out so I cant get an little article for you. Get your head out of your ass. Shouldnt you be milking your cow or something? Rednecks like you are just afraid of the "big, evil, scary city". For the record I'm not counting on Lebron coming to New York but it drives me crazy that an idiot like you doesnt see why some people believe he will.
The Suns were consistently a good defensive team if you actually factor in FG% against and creating turnovers. Of course you're a casual fan who just looks at points given up and doesn't realize the direct relationship to running an up-tempo offense.
And nice way to put down New York City, it's only the most important city in the world you pea-brain.
For two read the link I gave you... LBJ is already a global icon, don't need NY for that... And that Bonus was more like 10 million "IF" he was drafted to a big market- NOT ONLY NY, so LA and Chi-town... So like I said get your heads out your A$$... NY is cool, but I don't see anyone dying to play for the Knicks... The Mecca of basketball? What has the NY products been doing in the league lately? Scoop Jackson wrote an article about how NY is failing in Basketball... Its NO longer the Mecca...
Mikey D fan... What? They were the WORST defensive team over .500... Are you serious? The Sixers play an up-tempo offense and had better defensive numbers than Mikey D... Casual fans? You fools go off of what you hear from your buddy's with no visual evidence... You guys still think you can give LBJ a 30 million dollar contract... You guys think you can sign Wade, Bosh, and LBJ to a max deal and still keep the players you already have... You guys don't know ish about basketball... Tell me something, when was the last time a player from NY was an MVP? LOL... Yall drink your juice a little too much...
And Knicksfreak- You said the Knicks had a better supporting cast than CLE? You included the whole CURRENT roster including Nate... As soon as I tell you that they can't sign LBJ and have all those players, you say "We aren't re-signing Nate" LOL... You guys just say whatever sounds good at the moment... You guys gonna have Amare, Lee, Nash, Chandler, Dano, #8, and Jareed Jefferies... Other than that its a wrap!!! Out of those guys only one plays D... Chandler... And he's over rated at doing that... Have fun at scoring 120 points and giving up 124... LOL... I don't know about defense?
The Garden is the most historic arena in the world. From the great Knicks Championship years (before my time unfortunately)to the legendary boxing matches with Muhammed Ali and the concerts by some of the biggest bands in history, the Garden has an unmatched legacy. Here's something you guys probably didn't know...the Knicks have the 4th most NBA Finals appearances in NBA history (8!).
You're right, D'Antoni did have Championship level talent and that's why his teams were IMMENSELY successful. However, not all great teams get to win titles and maybe if he had taken over as coach a few years earlier (when Nash was younger), he would have won a title. Tim Duncan is an all-time great player though...no shame in losing to the Spurs. And I'm not knocking Pat Riley, I loved that scumbag! But the Riley-led Knicks played amazing defense and still never won a title either. You can say they went further than the Suns, but they still only had one Finals appearance. Do you even know how long it took Larry Brown to get to the Finals? Jerry Sloan will probably never win a title, does that mean he's not a great coach?
D'Antoni is only in his 7th year coaching and some of you act like he's a failure for not winning a title already; it's a good thing respected people around the league (Phil Jackson) see things a bit clearer. He is an innovator though, and when he wins a title one day his style will be imitated.
BTW, I don't give a f*** about Lebron James. I hope he stays in Cleveland, it's good for the league. Would I want him if he was willing to come here? Of course, but I'm not riding any hopes on it. If you don't think the Knicks will be able to lure some elite talent with the cap space they'll have (for the first time in 20 years!), then you underestimate the allure of winning in New York.
I wish that D'Antoni was coaching the Bulls like we (Bulls fans) all thought was going to happen. I like his style, but maybe there is a reason why other people don't do what he does. It remains to be seen if he is an innovator creating the new, imitated style or if he is just a guy running an entertaining yet never good enough system. I think that it is the former, and you seem to think that as well, with Toronto supposedly looking to somewhat copy the style. Plus, with the influx of European talent over the last decade + it probably makes sense. First of all, I think that it is harder to have interchangeable pieces. I think that you need specific guys to run it. I think that the Knicks agree, as evidenced by the 6 trades where they moved 9 players (and sat/cut Curry/Marbury, 2 starters). Plus, if I was in New York, I would be ecstatic to move from the hard-nosed, defensive minded Knicks teams of the 1990's (and the terrible Isiah failures of late) to a high flying, point scoring fun team similar to the late 2000's Suns. It's fun to watch. I think that it is a little different to say that guys like Jerry Sloan, who runs a familiar system in a small market, should be the template of good coaches who are the exception to the rule about NEEDING to win a title to be one of the greats. It's running a different styled offense/defense that begs the question of whether or not D'Antoni is a "winning" coach. It's like the Wildcat in the NFL. If no one that runs a significant amount of Wildcat formations ever goes to the Super Bowl, do you think that people are going to say, "Well, Tony Sporano shouldn't be called out for doing something so out of the ordinary. Jeff Fischer and Andy Reid never won a Super Bowl either!" No, I think that's silly. If you coach for 20 years and you have to endure 2 or 3 "dynasty" teams, you sometimes just get the short end of the stick. As I am sure you have heard Patrick Ewing talk about. Although he had ONE GUY just follow him from college to the pros and screw him over.
IMO...i think 2 out of 3 will go to NYK
But the guy who i can see moving teams in 2010 is D-Wade. This man is doing too much and no one is stepping up. Unless B-Easy can give you 18-8 next season and then they add another good player in 2010, D-wade is gone
Bosh may leave too. He knows Toronto is not for him. I heard at least 5 places for Bosh. Chicago, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio and New York. I think he either gets trade at the draft, the offseason or leaves in 2010
LBJ is on the fence. 66 wins and no title? I mean unless you can pull another superstar this offseason (Redd, Jefferson, Josh Howard, Elton Brand, Baron Davis) he will go into next season with the same nucleus and no #2 player...he will leave if they dont win a title.
If i had to put money on it...i think Bosh and Wade go to NYK and James stays.
Good post Scott, I just think the guy gets his players to play for him. Curry will be his biggest challenge next season and while I've completely given up on him, something tells me he'll surprise everyone next season. The proof is in the pudding though, and unless Walsh can get some of these stars to come here, all the talk of player's loving D'Antoni will be worthless.