According to Marc Stein, a principle deal is in the works. Both sides have agreed. via twitter
Gordan, Kaman, Aminu AND the Minny pick involved in the deal for CP3
They gotta trade one of there many point guards for a 2. They have Williams, Billups, Foye, Warren, and Bledsoe
Idea: Sign Afflalo
That team just might suck tho, CP3, Blake and a PG overload, Billups, Foye, Bledsoe, and Mo
There gonna be alot of follow-up moves here...
Source confirms that Clippers are getting close to acquiring Hornets All-Star guard Chris Paul. TNT's David Aldridge reported it first.
VIA - Marc Spears Yahoo
Waaaay to much to give up for Cp3. That's why OKC will be playing for a ring this year and the Clippers will have a good team but never great.
Should have just stayed out of the trade talks and let this team grow with Blake, Gordon, Jordon and the Minny pick. Could have been what OKC is now... next year.
Couldn't agree more @laaarethekings, way too much, it's sad to see Gordon and that pick leave, if I were the clips i would have a very tedious physical and check out CP3s knees and get second opinions before making it official.
They gave Eric Gordon and the draft pick? Stupid
I hate the fact that gave up Gordon. The Knicks didn't have the pieces and neither did the Lakers. I wish they would have offered Aminu, Kaman, Bledsoe, Future 1st, and Minnesotas pick and say take it or leave it. They had a bright future with all the assets they had.... not saying they don't now because CP3 will do wonders, but I wish they would have played hardball, because we all know they HAD to trade CP3.
Wow. but that's just way too muc to give up, but nonetheless, this will be a good team, top 5 in the est. CP# led the Hornets with West to a playoff spot, now he has Griffin, Buillups and Jordan to throw Alley-oops to, but they gave away a bit too much.
Source says Clipps will send Gordon, Kaman, Aminu and Minny 1st to New Orleans for Paul and picks.
Via Marc Spears again
Can You Picture Eric Gordon, Anthony Davis and Harrison Barnes?
Could we see Billups traded somewhere else? I mean, as mentioned before, there are a lot of PGs on this team. It should be only CP3 and Bledsoe. This team needs a way to flip some of these extra PGs for more bench depth at the 2 guard, back-up SF and back up big men. Not sure what their cap situation is but I can see more trades coming in the near future.
Stern definitely managed to get value for Paul, but what will determine this trade’s success is how good that pick turns out to be. If the pick ends up being between six and four with the player turning out to be average, the Clippers will look much better than if the Hornets end up getting the next big all-star talent.
As a friend of Eric Gordon, I'm pissed. Not because he got traded, but because they've been lying to him and feeding him bull sh*t.
They've told him the entire time he was a building block to the organization and that he wasn't in the trade talks. F'N liars.
Other than that, Gordon will go to NO and have the opportunity to be the go-to player on a team. He will embrace that role.
Eric Gordon fantasy value just skyrocket. He is now the number one guy on a team. Breakout year for him if he can stay healthy.
Clippers should have put Bledsoe in there instead of Gordon. Gordon and Minne pick was too much when they already had a good team and had all the leverage
Looks like blocking the Laker trade actually turned in New Orleans' favor.
The Hornets made out like bandits. Gordon is freakishly underrated and I think the Clippers are going to regret giving him up without more of a fight.
I'm pretty sure billups can't be traded because you can't trade amnestied players.
Clippers are stupid. They basically bidded against themselves and gave away talent that could have kept and gotten him next year. Clippers are young so why be in a rush.
I think they gave away too much trying to "out-do" their cross town rivals....
This coming draft is going to be too packed with talent to give away everything they gave away for Paul. They bailed out the league who basically screwed themselves when the Lakers deal fell threw.
Garbage move on the Hornets part. I can't believe they were unwilling to trade Bledsoe but traded Gordon. EG is a top 5 SG in the league when healthy and he was only 22.
Awful trade... WAYYY too lopsided. Yeah we got a great Point Guard to add to our tally of 4 but for the love of god.
Expiring 12m contract (Kaman), Eric Gordon, AND a top 3 pick next year (probably).
David Stern must REALLY like the Lakers if he wants to screw the Clippers that much. Hopefully, the Clippers have a plan as to what they'll do with their T-Wolves-like logjam at the point. Maybe a trade for OJ Mayo?
Stern is a Mother &$#%#&@! Gangsta...I Told you guys this shyt was not a game...He went for the Throat...The Clippers will always suck...getting the 8th seed isn't worth Mortaging your Future...
Chris Paul-Chaucey Billups-Caron Butler-Blake Griffin and Deandre Jordan-with a shyt load of guards on the bench...I dont know who in their right can say that's a better Team going going forward...There are too many IF's on that Team, sorry but Im beating against that team all day...They will fun too watch though....Again Stern is a Boss...
Again they trade Away youth(Kyrie Irving for Mo Williams last year)
and Now Eric Gordon and Aminu, along with whoever the Hornets get with Minnesota's pick(the options are limitless) for Chris Paul...????????????????
I would hate to love the Clippers right now...It's like finding a new girlfriend but realizing your ex was a lot better for you...
New Orleans could be in a great spot for the future with the trade. Probably two top ten picks (their own and Minny's) in such a loaded draft, plus a legit 1st option in Gordon and nice pieces in Aminu, Kaman.
The Clippers should pursue Nick Young in free agency, they need a new 2-guard, and a shooter of Young's calibre would be the perfect fit alongside CP3.
And by "Hornet's part" I meant "Clipper's part" as most of you probably already guessed.
I actually feel they will play Chris Paul WITH Chauncey Billups, with the duo working well together. Chris Paul was on a team where David West was his PF that made the play-offs, with very little depth otherwise. Now he is playing with Blake Griffin.
Eric Gordon is awesome and all, but Chris Paul is incredibly likely to be the best player in this deal by far. Even with if Minnesota still does poorly, who knows where they end up picking? They more than likely will miss the play-offs, but will the Clippers get a player in the 2012 Draft better than Chris Paul? It is possible, but not overly likely.
Also, I do not think the Clippers were bidding against themselves, but against a number of other teams who had something to offer Chris Paul. The difference between Paul's situation and Melo last year was that we knew Melo had a couple spots he was looking at. New York was there all along. If the Clippers do not trade for Chris Paul, I am not so confident that they end up signing him in the summer. Than you have Eric Gordon, Minnesota's pick, Aminu and Kaman's cap space, but not one of the best PG's in the league. The Hornets get at least a decent deal, but the Clippers get the best player to have ever graced their franchise next to a potential franchise PF. Could be much worse.
Buillups can't be traded till the end of the year. I assume it's to avoid the Heat working out a deal with the Kings or somthing like that lol.
And in a sense, David Stern got the Hornets a pretty sweet deal. A guard to build around, another big in Kaman on rent, but he can still play, Prospect in Aminu and Bledsoe, plus a top 5(not so fast, the Twolves might be good..............oh who am I kidding, It's Kaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhnnnnnn) and another top 5 of heir own since they'll be so bad, lol. But seriously, this team isn't that bad, and could make a run for the eight seed If you ask me.
Blake Griffin just got a WHOLE lot better.
That Minny pick might not be as great as we make it out to be, no coach gets more out of less talent then Rick Adelman, still terrible trade, should have traded their other 1st rounder, or NOT GORDON!!
For the Clippers' sake, i hope Minnesota does good this year..
Bledsoe will be traded before the season starts. Book it.
There's no question the Hornets will be rubbish this season, but it's for the best. Hopefully Gordon sticks around long-term to be the franchise player, but if not they could still land a Perry Jones, Drummond or Barnes in the draft to be that guy.
All of the idiots who were complaining about Stern needing to be fired for blocking the Lakers trade should consider the job he's done setting up NO's future. He'll be able to sell that team now IMO and they should be in playoff contention in two years. Crazy to think Gordon is still so young.
It will definitly be in the top 5...
And I like The Idea of adding OJ Mayo when this deal gets done, but I don't see the Grizzlies wanting the pieces The Clippers will have to have to offer afterward(any combo of Bledsoe,Warren or Foye wouldn't work IMO) the Grizzlies are loaded at Pg/Sg too...and Xavier Henry will miss the first few weeks of the Season...they'd need a 3rd team to get involved, one that would supply Memphis with a scoring Sg...I like the idea of adding Nick Young too, good call by a few of the previous posters...
I don't understand how you think this was a good deal.
You give up large parts of a your future for a player who lacks a huge chunk of meniscus in his knee and who you don't even know if he'll re-sign with you. The Clippers face a REAL possibility that he will walk away. And IF he walks away, so goodbye to Blake Griffin, because he'll be a looking at a team that's gutted.
The Clippers were too bidding against themselves. Who else was going to trade for Chris Paul that HE would sign an extention or even opt into the last year of his deal with? The Hornets had absolutely no leverage. This wasn't a good deal for the Clippers. It's not about what's fair. It's about who has leverage. Didn't you pay any attention to the lockout this summer? The NBA had ALL of the leverage and the players had none, so therefore they were in concessionary bargaining the entire lockout.
This wasn't a good deal at all.
I would be somewhat hesitant to give up Gordon straight up for Paul. Throw in all the others and the Clips just got robbed.
Don't forget if the Clippers get outside the bottom ten in the draft their pick goes to Boston, so the Clippers will miss this draft too.
If they are getting Ariza with this deal it isn't quite so bad, but all NO are giving up is CP3 then Clippers have lost out on this deal.
I think it would be the best idea to trade away Mo Williams, maybe to Miami for Mike Miller and a pick. Miami doesn't really need Miller anymore as they now have Battier to backup the wing positions. Mike Miller can start on the wing for the Clippers and be a spot up shooter while Paul throws lobs for Griffin&Jordan.
Really don't understand this 1 bit....someone anyone please help me out.
CP3 Billups Williams Bledsoe 1+1+1+1 = 4 PGs if I stand correct.
CP3 = Instant upgrade. VERY understandable
Billups bluff got called. Does he show up or retire? Can't have it his way, not like it's BK, because he will not start at all.
Williams = what now? Destination?
Bledsoe is a 1st Round guy that you(Clips) reached out to acquire, meaning he was your PG of the future. Now he will be shopped for bringing in a vet is what I am assuming. Correct anyone?
*Eric Gordon gone = WTF are you thinking!
Clippers wouldn't be the Clippers if they did not try to set themselves back by doing too much.
Blake griffin have a point guard now, who can pass alley ops to him, remember how chandler and paul played, imagine, griffin and paul!
Sterling is an idiot.
He traded Kyrie Irving(Potentially) for Mo Williams
Is gonna pay Deandre Jordan 10mil per year for 4years
Trading Potentially a top 5 pick, Eric Gordan(the #5 SG in the league) for a PG when he has 4 already on the team.
So essentially they have no size in the backcourt(Foye 6'4, Billups 6'3, Williams 6'2, Bledsoe 6'1, Paul 6'0, Leslie 6'4)
No go to perimeter scorer. I mean really all they'll be good for is lobs and putbacks, if CP3 signs an extension ima slap the living hell out of him, Sterling will not a put a great team around him. Paul better say he wont re-sign and just wait it out until next summer when STAT and Melo can restrucure and sign with the Knicks or take less and sign with Orlando
renting CP3 2 years for Minny #1 pick, E.Gordon? hmmmmmm I have to think about it before I make a snap judgement. If this was 08-09 CP3 I wouldnt even think twice about it.
Clippers now have to trade Mo Williams
I know this is wildly unlikely, but imagine if Deron Williams signed with New Orleans next season. Williams, Gordon, Aminu/Ariza, Emeka, Kaman plus two top 10 picks. That team would immediately be in contention.
Even more hilarious would be CP3 not signing an extension after his option year with the Clippers and returning to New Orleans surrounded by young talent and a great scorer in Gordon.
Funny that NO is now an attractive FA destination on paper with the young talent and good coaching staff they have.
It was the reason why he blocked the trade and he's not negotiating Stu Jackson is the same guy who ran the Grizzlies out of Canada by making some of the dumbest moves ever as a GM like stubbornly drafting a player with the 2nd pick in a loaded draft class who had no intentions of playing in Canada and then panicking and trading him away for nowhere near his value.
Stern is putting his whole league in jeapardy by controlling this trade which should be left in the hands of Dell Demps. Monty Williams the Hornets poor coach wanted Odom, Scola, and Kevin Martin back because for some silly reason he wanted a roster this year he could coach to some victories. Now the Hornets wanna go the rebuilding route which is fine but don't get greedy and cheat this is like making a trade in NBA 2K12 with the trade overide on so you can get anybody for anything.
Stern is taking away from what was finally going to be the season the Clippers mattered and contended and it was going to be great for the NBA. Paul, Gordon, Butler, Griffin, and Jordan will be serious threats in the West. Without Gordon and his floor spacing outside shooting, his athleticism on defense and transition, and the Clips are just threats. And it will make for worse tv.
Getting Ariza would definitely soften the blow because he is another athletic guy to run the court with Paul, Griffin, and Jordan. SG has a huge hole though and I'm not sure Young would be the best option...I do think Mayo would be the best fit for them.
we can on all night but It's a crazy offseason so far, yes there hasn't been as much movement as expected but the moves being made are all curious ones...
I completely see where Mikey's coming from in a way...Paul and Griffin would be an amazing Pg/Pf combo...A damm scary pick and roll pairing that will have no shortage of highlights...Where I get lost in your enthusiasm is that the entire team isn't quite there right now...I also undestand it can be a process and with the Clippers at step 1 it looks bad right now...I would agree Its going to take some time to get a clear picture of the Clippers future...
But In hindsight, they traded away the pick that ended up being The # 1 OVERALL PICK, for Mo Williams, one year before The Amnesty Rule would have saved them from Baron Davis's contract anyway...
They'd Have Kyrie Irving-Eric Gordon-Al Farroq Aminu-Blake Griffin-Deandre Jordan and Eric Bledsoe...Not to mention Minnesota's pick in a loaded draft...
Instead they over pay for Mo Williams-Caron Butler-De'Andre Jordan and claimed Billups off waivers, now they trade away all the youth picks and expiring cash they Had for Chris Paul...
I think we Draft Net Uber fans would have all loved to keep the young guys and picks and build through the Draft...So that's why you'll get some of the reactions you'll be getting...Paul and Griffin is definitly a great Combo to build arould though so that's also what we have to remember...But the Hornets got a steal...They can now build arould Gordon and their 2 first rounders from the deep 2012 draft, and lets not scoff at the talents of Aminu,Ariza,Jack and Emeka Ofefor...I think they'll be alright down the road, Im very happy for them after all the Cp 3 Drama...Stern did them a great service, much better than Dell Demps straping them with 30 million more in salaries and possible 8th seed thus ruining their plans for rebuilding...Seriously I was LOL'ing at people crying for Dell Demps...He was doing a horrible job at GM'ing IMHO...
Maybe..just maybe...the Clippers are taking a page out the the T-Wolves book and plan on monopolizing the pg market?
and make actually post regarding the topic at hand...
that or we can post one liners on other threads and keep the flow going elsewhere if no more intelligent thought is to be found on a Chris Paul trade Thread...
I can see this going 3 or 4 pages by the end of the night...with no real basketball knowledge gained by a soul...
What kind of offense do the Clippers try to Run now that Paul is on board...I'd imagine a Pick and Roll heavy play book resembling the old Jazz days...they will need some shooters to space the floor, I'm sure they'd love a dead eye to start at the Sg position, but they may also want some more size and defense at the wings...A lot of potential there in Clipper land for sure...
Hmm, now that I think of it, don't we always talk about how Jason Kidd made Kenyon Martin and Richard Jefferson look good, right, and how they should give half of their big deals to Kidd, so if you think of it that way, I feel that Chris Paul will help Blake's game to the next level. Seriously, I'll predict Blake to get 26 and 12 this season. It may seem a bit out there, but I think that he will be a much better half court player, and add that to his repitaure.