...BIG-MAN IN THE PAINT & PERIMETER DEFENDERS!!!
From where I'm sitting, the Bulls have two major draft needs. First, they need to find a BIG-MAN IN THE PAINT, who can provide toughness, battle for rebounds, and get points down-low. Secondly, they need a tough PERIMETER DEFENDER, who can pressure the ball, create steals and guard against 3-point field goals.
1.) DeJuan Blair (reminds me of Paul Millsap, but stronger)
2.) Sam Young (reminds me of Shane Battier, but more athletic)
3.) Terrence Williams (reminds me of Paul Pressey, but more well-rounded)
4.) Jerel McNeal (reminds me of Joe Dumars, but coming off the bench)
5.) Robert Dozier (reminds me of Tyrus Thomas or Hakim Warrick, but with more offense)
* I would LOVE to see the Bulls add at least two of these guys to their roster come next season.
Shooters. I love the first 4 names on your list (Dozier could be decent, but I wouldn't use a first rounder on him), and I would add: Chase Budinger, Gerald Henderson (I am pretty sure he'll be gone by 16, but if not...), DaJuan Summers, Danny Green and Josh Heytvelt.
I would like to see them trade Tim Thomas (since they don't use him...AT ALL!!!) for a 2nd Round pick or two. I wouldn't mind seeing the Bulls get their hands on Robert Dozier or Jerel McNeal. I think they could both fit in nicely.
To Portland, maybe? They have four 2nd Round picks I believe.
Assuming that Jerome James picks up his player option, which he will. I mean, who wouldn't want $6.5 million to get fatter that s hit? Tim Thomas and his $6.5 million, plus Jerome James and his $6.5 million, both of which expire after the 2009-2010 season, are 2 guys that could net the Bulls more than just a couple of 2nd round picks. There is no way that the Bulls COULD trade Tim Thomas and his $6.5 million for just a second rounder. They would have to take back about $6 million. If that contract goes past 2009-2010 that's a HUGE mistake since it will hurt the Bulls' ability to bring in a guy for $6.5 million who can actually contribute. There is no way that either Thomas or Jerome James will be moved unless a guy like Kirk Hinrich (2010-2011 salary $9,000,000.00), Luol Deng (2010-2011 salary $11,355,850.00), or Ben Gordon (not resigned at an estimated (2010-2011 salary of $12,000,000.00) are out of the equation after the 2009-2010 season. I think that Deng still has A TON OF GAME. If another GM feels that too and would give the Bulls a stud in return the Bulls should seriously think about moving him. Kirk Hinrich is a guy I love for the Bulls too, but he probably WILL be moved. If Hinrich is moved for a draft pick ($3.5-$4 million estimated 2009-2010), the other guy the Bulls get has to be around $5,000,000.00. If that guy's contract goes past the 2009-2010 season, the Bulls need to get the $13,000,000.00 off the books for a STUD in the 2010 free agent market. The most the Bulls could give for a guy like Chris Bosh when he becomes a free agent, which is the same for every other team in the league but Toronto, is about $18,000,000.00 a year. So, when you have Tim Thomas and Jerome James off the books, you free up $13,000,000.00. Also, Brad Miller's salary comes off the books after the 2009-2010 (next) season at $12,250,000.00. If you have Brad Miller, Jerome James, Tim Thomas, and Kirk Hinrich gone in 2010, you have almost $35,000,000.00 freed up. That looks to me like enough for a Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade. And, since Tim Thomas and Jerome James don't play, the Bulls are only losing their backup point guard and backup center in the process. A guy like John Salmons only makes $5,800,000.00 in 2010. You can get a guy that can contribute for Tim Thomas. You don't need to settle for a second round draft pick. What do you think? I think that a second round pick, especially in this year's draft, is worthless in comparison.
I would love to see the Bulls trade up with a team like Golden State or Minnesota and grab a player like DeJuan Blair. They could always use Hinrich to get one or two of Minnesota's 1st Round picks. In terms of Tim Thomas, I really like what I see in the 2nd Round of this draft. If the Bulls could ship Tim Thomas to Portland for 2 of their 4 2nd Round picks and another player, I would be all for that.
Robert Dozier and Jerel McNeal could fit in quite nicely with the Bulls, if taken in the 2nd Round?
By the way, Wade and Bosh in 2010...I'm all for that as well. I have already put together trade ideas for that to happen.
I don't think that we need to trade for both Wade and Bosh...hell, we might not have to trade for either of them since they are both going to be free agents a year from now. That being said, I think that Bosh should be traded for so that the Bulls could sell him on the city of Chicago (Wade already knows), the Bulls would be in a position to give him the most money out of any team in the league with him being a returning player (Bird rule), and also you give him a chance to see what it's like to play with Rose, Deng, Noah, etc. Otherwise, why would you give away talent for both of those guys when you could very well get them for nobody? I guess I would like to hear your trade proposals.
Those guys you are talking about, Dozier and McNeal, are OKAY players. It will be a victory for them to have long careers in the NBA. I know that you are high on them, so we are going to have to agree to disagree. If they become starters in the NBA, ever, that would surprise 30 NBA teams. But, it doesn't matter. Trading away an expiring contract like Tim Thomas for a second round pick in what is known as a weak draft by MOST is kind of silly. We could probably trade for a second round pick in this year's draft by giving up a second rounder in 2010 and "future considerations". Or the Bulls could trade Anthony Robrerson or Linton Johnson for a pick in the 40's. Seriously. In addition, second round picks are not guaranteed contracts like 1st round picks. If they guys turn into contributors on a playoff team, which is unlikely for a second round pick, they will be free agents at the end of 2009-2010 anyway. The Bulls could just go and sign them, the same as if they were the ones drafting them this year in the first place. In addition, the Bulls have no need to add 3 or 4 rookies to this team. Besides Ben Gordon, the rest of the Bulls 7 man rotation from the playoffs is going to be back in 2009-2010 for sure barring a trade. That of course isn't factoring in Luol Deng. So, if Gordon leaves, that gives the Bulls a 7 man rotation of Noah, Thomas, Miller, Deng, Hinrich, Salmons, and Rose. If you add just 1 first round pick, that's 8. Let's say it's Blair. You have a guy like Aaron Gray who the Bulls think has an opportunity to develop. Where do you see Robert Dozier or Jerel McNeal playing on the Bulls? Plus, if the Bulls move up to #6 or #7, by giving up Kirk Hinrich and #16 and #26, they better not take Dejuan Blair. That's too much to give up. They could get him for less, probably for just #16 and #26. If they move up to #6 or #7, they should be trying to get a guy like Harden, Hill, DeRozan, Evans, etc. Guys who have enough upside to use in a trade, or to grow with Rose. 2 first round picks and a starting PG like Hinrich who plays defense is too much for a 6'6'' PF like Blair, and I like Dejuan Blair. But, this draft site's mock draft doesn't even have him going in the lottery, I think that #6 or #7 is too high. Let's say it's just Hinrich for DeJuan Blair. Then you still have #16 and #26. That means that one of the second rounders. Robert Dozier and Jerel McNeal, would be 8th or 9th in the Bulls rotation. Dozier alone would be the 5th or 6th big man in the Bulls rotation. How would he even get on the court? That's just not worth giving up the cap flexibility for 2009-2010. I don't think that you are appreciating the Bulls current situation for the 2010 free agency "GOLD RUSH". Getting rid of Tim Thomas's expiring $6.5 million WOULD probably be the difference in the Bulls being able to get 2 top tier free agents. Wade and Bosh are going to both cost about 18 million.
That being said, having 2 bodies on the roster who don't have a guaranteed contract in 2010 might...
You know what. You could totally be right. As long as the guy the Bulls get back has an expiring contract after next season, you are right. I don't think Portland has a guy like that. If they have a guy whose contract is up after 2009-2010 and the Bulls could get 2 second rounders out of the deal, then fine. I think that the second round picks though are going to be important to teams BECAUSE they aren't guaranteed in 2010-2011. If the Bulls could get a pick from Portland in the 2nd, or from anyone for that matter, it would be a good idea. Just as long as that expiring $6.5 isn't wasted. We NEED the cap space for 2010.
I guess my point is...if the Bulls get Dejuan Blair in the draft, I don't think that Dozier would fit in at all. You've got Deng/Salmons at the 3, Thomas/Blair at the 4, and Noah/Miller/Gray at the 5. There just isn't room. It's funny, last year at this time the Bulls had WAY too many guards. Now, it's the complete opposite. They barely have enough guards to field a decent rotation, since Gordon and Hinrich are probably out the door. Not saying I want them to be gone, well maybe Gordon although I hate losing Gordon for nothing, but I think that both Gordon and Hinrich will be gone. That's why I think the Bulls will draft a guard this year. Although most of the logic points towards a big at some point, I think that if the Bulls don't see a compliment to Derrick Rose for the future, they want to give Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah more time to develop. Blair has the unique skill set of being able to rebound like a beast so I think that he will fit in on A LOT of teams, but other than that...where would a guy like Tyler Hanbrough really fit in? Miller will be gone in a season, but then the Bulls will make a VERY SERIOUS RUN at Amare or Bosh.
Robert Dozier and DeJuan Blair have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT games. Dozier is more like Ty Thomas, while Blair is more like Millsap. They could compliment each other quite nicely.
I'm not saying the Bulls would go for both, but I wouldn't mind seeing either of them on the Bulls.
I know they have different games and I guess that Dozier would probably be Luol Deng's back up. So, not a terrible choice. You know, I don't know if I have given you enough credit here. I think that you have a really good idea of going after Portland's second round picks. I just don't think that the Bulls would have to give up ANYTHING to get them. Portland just doesn't have much room to maneuver with their current, young, roster. I agree completely with the end result, I just disagree with the means to get there. Trading away Tim Thomas's contract is actually giving up something, which I think is too much to give up. I like both Dozier and McNeal though and I think that they could fit in on the Bulls, you are right. But, I don't think that they would have much playing time if the roster stays the way it is currently constructed. Of course, all of us are planning on the Bulls making some major trades.
Is it possible for the Chicago Bulls to trade their 16th or 26th pick to the Clippers in exchange for unproven and raw talent like DeAndre Jordan? I am very much upbeat about this idea because a guy like DeAndre can definitely give the Bulls a much needed size underneath. What do you think? Derrick Rose teaming up with Jordan would be a compliment to both of their skills.
DeAndre Jordan is the guy they need to develop... seeing his potential, I could definitely say that he can help the Chicago Bulls in the long run because of his ability underneath(although he is raw). But seeing him grab 20 rebounds in 1 game and scoring 23 points and grabbing 12 rebounds against the Lakers had me convinced that this guy will be something if he is being worked on. I see the Bulls having problems in the front court and I definitely think that with a franchise player like D-Rose, DJ can help him create some highlights in the NBA because of his ala-Dwight Howard athleticism...
if the Bulls were to consider a player like Deandre Jordan why not get BJ Mullens...he is more athletic with more height and weight...He already has the abilty to run the floor like a small forward and finish with a dunk plus left or right hands. He is the only center that can run the floor with Rose which create many more scoring opportunites. People are down on Mullens but im almost certain he will be the steal of the draft no matter where he is drafted at. i would love to see the bulls grab BJ Mullens and Chase Budinger to replace Gordan...i like Gordan but scoring 30 points while giving up 38 to your position gets kinda old
I don't think the Bulls want to touch any of the Clippers' bigs. They need to make a decision on BG7 before draft day. If they can't sign him, I say trade him to New Jersey for #11 and a player, maybe Bobby Simmons. That opens the door for them to walk away with Blair at #11, T-Will at #16, and Sam Young at #26.
I think the bulls should send the 26th pick and Tim Thomas to the Blazers for a guy like Channing Frye his post game isn't all that hot but, he can step out and knock down a 15 to 20 foot jumper
Loads of HEIGHT and POTENTIAL, but NO MOTIVATION and HEART to reach it.
DeAndre Jordan has no offense which we need so trading the #26 would be a waste
Channing Frye is a free agent so we cant trade for him. we can sign him and Id be for that if it was no more than 2yr $4mil
No one would trade a 2nd rounder for $6 mil of Tim Thomas or Jerome James. It would be easier to buy a second round pick. Keep Thomas, James and other contracts for bigger trades.
Lastly we have NO SECOND ROUND PICK! Dozier, McNeal and a couple of the other guys suggested are 2nd round picks and it would be a huge reach to take them at 26. Stop mentioning them. In this draft if they are expected to be 2nd round picks they are probably going to play 5 min at most. Only if they went undrafted should we add them to our Dleague team.
Not James Johnson, a SF.
Yes, the Bulls already has no offense... But DeAndre Jordan is not yet fully developed and if you, the fans, are patient enough to wait... I think he will be a force to be reckoned with... Dwight Howard did not build his offense in one day. It took him years to develop that. Andrew Bynum goes the same... I think Rose to Jordan combo would be great... But like I said, it's just an opinion... The only way I can make this happen is play them together in NBA 2k9...(15% chance that this deal is about to happen)...small chance but Im praying for it everyday...
And trading the 26th pick on such a so-so draft class?(exlclude Griffin)... I think it would be a wise decision... There are no guarantees in this draft class... I think it would be a win-win situation for a Bulls team that has a lot of promise. Gar Forman, you better impress US!
They won't trade him, sorry.
there is nothing special about DeAndre Jordan. A poor man's Eddy Curry at best...that's pretty terrible. Anyone can get minutes and stats on a crappy team like the Clippers. I wouldn't touch any of their players other than Camby, but we have our young version in Noah.
Option #1 - Big-man early (Blair) #16 and/or Tall-wing late (Young) #26
Option #2 - Tall-wing early (Williams) #16 and/or Big-man late (Hansbrough) #26
Option #3 - Trade up (#11 or #7) and get your guy - Big-man (Blair) or Tall-wing (Williams)
Option #4 - Big-man early (Blair) #16 or Tall-wing early (Williams) #16 and Trade into 2nd Round (#26 to San Antonio for there 3 second round picks).
* With the three second round picks take a PG (McNeal or Rice), a SG (Taylor, Meeks or Christmas) or a PF (Dozier or Suton)
Personally, I like Option #1 the best. I could live with Option #2. I could see option #3. I wouldn't be surprised by Option #4.
Should have traded kirk and tyrus and the 26th pick to memphis for the #2 get thabeet so we would have noah and thabeet that would be one of the best defensive big man duo's to play in years, too bad not to much offense out of them.
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