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- Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 3:14am #54090
jonus grumbyParticipantI realize there are cap considerations to contend with but lets just for the sake of discussion assume that Bulls management could fit either Love or Anthony into their system. They are able to keep Rose and Noah while doing this.
If it could be done who would you rather have to play along with Rose and Noah? Just putting together a WAG of who might still be with the Bulls. Again this is just a WAG
Rose
Snell
Anthony
Mirotic
NoahRose
Butler
Dunleavy
Love
NoahAre either of those teams capable of beating the Heat and/or Pacers in a 7 game series?
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 4:53am #875033
PhillytheKidHave 1 thing in common, neither guy makes anyone better on their team.
When people play with Anthony they either get frustrated (Amare who had a good thing going with Lin), or they get inspried to play selfish jack the ball up basketball because thats what Anthony does, I’ve never seen him make a good pass.
Even in All-Star games Anthony is the receiver of great passes from great players. He’s either finishing or hitting a 3, he’s never playing WITH the great players, he’s just benefitting form them. He is not a star player, because star players make their whole team better, like Durant and Lebron and CP3, and even Steph Curry.
Love is a VERY good player but he doesn’t impact everyone around him. Both guys need to be surrounded by talent.
I’d much rather have Love because Love can play within a system and be a great player, but I’ve never seen Anthony be able to play in a system. He’s the exact definition of the NBA trying to create stars who haven’t done anything.
Everyone on TV bites their tongue because he plays in NY and is $$, especially because of young kids who have no idea how to play the game properly that tune in to watch him. Anthony needs to go to SA where he’ll max his talents and leanr to play the right way.
Iverson played like Anthony, a black hole, but everyone played HARD with Iverson because he brought it every night. Anthony only plays hard when its a personal matchup, when he needs to rpove himself against someone his equal or better (Dirk, Paul George, etc), its all personal with him and the NY fans love it when he plays hard, its so sad.
I guarantee you Rose, who knows team basketball, woudln’t want Anthony on his team, or he would get frustrated by the first year because of the way Anthony plays.
0- Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 2:39pm #875355
r377ParticipantI don’t know this comment got negged ?
Melo and Love are great offensive players but both lack defence and leadership. They cannot lead a team to greatness. Melo also lacks team work. He will never ever win a championship all the time he is the leading scorer on his team…..
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 2:39pm #875248
r377ParticipantI don’t know this comment got negged ?
Melo and Love are great offensive players but both lack defence and leadership. They cannot lead a team to greatness. Melo also lacks team work. He will never ever win a championship all the time he is the leading scorer on his team…..
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 2:45pm #875359
SnowtaParticipantLove just had a triple double and 9 assists the next game? You don’t think he makes people on his team better ask Corey Brewer. U can knock Love’s D but you can’t say he doesn’t make his teammates better.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 2:45pm #875252
SnowtaParticipantLove just had a triple double and 9 assists the next game? You don’t think he makes people on his team better ask Corey Brewer. U can knock Love’s D but you can’t say he doesn’t make his teammates better.
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- Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 4:53am #875142
PhillytheKidHave 1 thing in common, neither guy makes anyone better on their team.
When people play with Anthony they either get frustrated (Amare who had a good thing going with Lin), or they get inspried to play selfish jack the ball up basketball because thats what Anthony does, I’ve never seen him make a good pass.
Even in All-Star games Anthony is the receiver of great passes from great players. He’s either finishing or hitting a 3, he’s never playing WITH the great players, he’s just benefitting form them. He is not a star player, because star players make their whole team better, like Durant and Lebron and CP3, and even Steph Curry.
Love is a VERY good player but he doesn’t impact everyone around him. Both guys need to be surrounded by talent.
I’d much rather have Love because Love can play within a system and be a great player, but I’ve never seen Anthony be able to play in a system. He’s the exact definition of the NBA trying to create stars who haven’t done anything.
Everyone on TV bites their tongue because he plays in NY and is $$, especially because of young kids who have no idea how to play the game properly that tune in to watch him. Anthony needs to go to SA where he’ll max his talents and leanr to play the right way.
Iverson played like Anthony, a black hole, but everyone played HARD with Iverson because he brought it every night. Anthony only plays hard when its a personal matchup, when he needs to rpove himself against someone his equal or better (Dirk, Paul George, etc), its all personal with him and the NY fans love it when he plays hard, its so sad.
I guarantee you Rose, who knows team basketball, woudln’t want Anthony on his team, or he would get frustrated by the first year because of the way Anthony plays.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 5:01am #875037
juves4783Participantrose and anthony on the same team would be a nightmare. both need the ball to succeed and i think chemistry will suffer.
love would be a little better, but the pf is not the team’s problem. the combo of boozer/gibson/mirotic will be fine. they just need to get rose healthy and they are back to a top eastern conference team.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 5:01am #875146
juves4783Participantrose and anthony on the same team would be a nightmare. both need the ball to succeed and i think chemistry will suffer.
love would be a little better, but the pf is not the team’s problem. the combo of boozer/gibson/mirotic will be fine. they just need to get rose healthy and they are back to a top eastern conference team.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 5:12am #875043
Memphisboy14ParticipantDespite what some of the posters said on this team Kevin Love and Carmelo Anthony actually thrive when they don’t need to handle the ball for long periods of time which kills this whole ridiculous "They need the ball" crap that some posters wanna make up. While neither are very good defenders they are great scorers and are very good rebounders for their position. Kevin Love is possibly the best rebounder in the NBA and Carmelo is averaging a career high 8.6rpg this season. Also next to a defensive minded big man in Joakim Noah they won’t have to anchor the defense at all and he could at least cover up their defensive deficiencies. Also if you have noticed Carmelo tends to do best with a good PG (Billups, Kidd) and a good defensive big man (Camby, Chandler). The thing is that you need to put them both in a position where they can focus on what they do best which is scoring and rebounding. If you put them in that position on the Bulls I don’t see how they could fail. Now would they beat the Heat or the Pacers I don’t know but they would definitely be a very competitive team.
0- Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 5:27am #875049
PhillytheKidCarmelo is a black hole. He has Chandler already and he played with Kidd last year, lol. He doesn’t elevate anyone’s game. As a star you expect him to make everyone around him play better/harder/be in the zone! He doesn’t do any of that for your team.
You make a good case he might be a nice piece on the Bulls, but he’s already had SOLID teams and they havent’ won anything, he’d frustrate Thibs because Carmelo is more about being a TV star and not playing hard every night a la Iverson.
Carmelo needs to play with Lebron, I still think, Melo, Lebron, and Cp3 will play for the Clippers somehow. Carmelo just needs to feed off the hype, he can’t create any hype himself. All the hype around him his fake.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 5:27am #875158
PhillytheKidCarmelo is a black hole. He has Chandler already and he played with Kidd last year, lol. He doesn’t elevate anyone’s game. As a star you expect him to make everyone around him play better/harder/be in the zone! He doesn’t do any of that for your team.
You make a good case he might be a nice piece on the Bulls, but he’s already had SOLID teams and they havent’ won anything, he’d frustrate Thibs because Carmelo is more about being a TV star and not playing hard every night a la Iverson.
Carmelo needs to play with Lebron, I still think, Melo, Lebron, and Cp3 will play for the Clippers somehow. Carmelo just needs to feed off the hype, he can’t create any hype himself. All the hype around him his fake.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 7:06am #875081
juves4783Participantget your facts right. carmelo attempts the most shots per game of anyone in the nba. he usually shoots off the dribble so the whole "he doesn’t need the ball" thing is a bunch of b.s. carmelo had the ball in his hands during h.s., college, with the nuggs and definitely with the knicks. that will never change. his scoring is best off the dribble. his jumpshot is good, but why make a pure scorer, a jump shooter?
melo is rebounding well this year because he has to. bags can’t rebound, amare spends half the game on the pine and chandler is hurt half the season. melo has had to play the 4 a lot of the game. of course, he’s going to rebound. he won’t have to rebound next to a noah.
kevin love is a different arguement, but why would you add kevin love to a team that has mirotic, boozer and gibson? yeah, one or two would have to be moved but why go through the trouble. you’re basically improving a position that is already a strength.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 7:06am #875190
juves4783Participantget your facts right. carmelo attempts the most shots per game of anyone in the nba. he usually shoots off the dribble so the whole "he doesn’t need the ball" thing is a bunch of b.s. carmelo had the ball in his hands during h.s., college, with the nuggs and definitely with the knicks. that will never change. his scoring is best off the dribble. his jumpshot is good, but why make a pure scorer, a jump shooter?
melo is rebounding well this year because he has to. bags can’t rebound, amare spends half the game on the pine and chandler is hurt half the season. melo has had to play the 4 a lot of the game. of course, he’s going to rebound. he won’t have to rebound next to a noah.
kevin love is a different arguement, but why would you add kevin love to a team that has mirotic, boozer and gibson? yeah, one or two would have to be moved but why go through the trouble. you’re basically improving a position that is already a strength.
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- Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 5:12am #875152
Memphisboy14ParticipantDespite what some of the posters said on this team Kevin Love and Carmelo Anthony actually thrive when they don’t need to handle the ball for long periods of time which kills this whole ridiculous "They need the ball" crap that some posters wanna make up. While neither are very good defenders they are great scorers and are very good rebounders for their position. Kevin Love is possibly the best rebounder in the NBA and Carmelo is averaging a career high 8.6rpg this season. Also next to a defensive minded big man in Joakim Noah they won’t have to anchor the defense at all and he could at least cover up their defensive deficiencies. Also if you have noticed Carmelo tends to do best with a good PG (Billups, Kidd) and a good defensive big man (Camby, Chandler). The thing is that you need to put them both in a position where they can focus on what they do best which is scoring and rebounding. If you put them in that position on the Bulls I don’t see how they could fail. Now would they beat the Heat or the Pacers I don’t know but they would definitely be a very competitive team.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 5:33am #875052
PhillytheKidCan you ever see Carmelo doing what PG24 did? He had an interview on ESPN where he brought all 5 Pacers starters into the interview, refused to do it alone.
Nah, Carmelo would rather play with Kenyon Martin and JR Smith, two more guys that are more about spotlight and tattoos than balling within a system. Thats his own fault. As Magic Johnson said "the guys in NY are more about playing in NY than they are playing as Knicks"
Make your teammates better Carmelo, play hard every night instead of when a "great player personal challenge" comes in. Help your team get to the playoffs. Do you guys think Lebron would tolerate the level of stink the Knicks are?
Everyone knows he is talented, but unless he plays with a great player that gets in his face every night (CP3, Lebron), or another teammate that wants his spotlight, he won’t play hard. Its embarassing how willingly he accepts getting destroyed b the Heat and does nothing to get his team fired up about it. He sucks.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 5:33am #875160
PhillytheKidCan you ever see Carmelo doing what PG24 did? He had an interview on ESPN where he brought all 5 Pacers starters into the interview, refused to do it alone.
Nah, Carmelo would rather play with Kenyon Martin and JR Smith, two more guys that are more about spotlight and tattoos than balling within a system. Thats his own fault. As Magic Johnson said "the guys in NY are more about playing in NY than they are playing as Knicks"
Make your teammates better Carmelo, play hard every night instead of when a "great player personal challenge" comes in. Help your team get to the playoffs. Do you guys think Lebron would tolerate the level of stink the Knicks are?
Everyone knows he is talented, but unless he plays with a great player that gets in his face every night (CP3, Lebron), or another teammate that wants his spotlight, he won’t play hard. Its embarassing how willingly he accepts getting destroyed b the Heat and does nothing to get his team fired up about it. He sucks.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 6:30am #875067
tbest23ParticipantI do like the discussions on here. Let me preface my comment by stating that I am not a Carmelo fan. I think he’s a volume shooter that scores in bunches but mostly due to his shot numbers. Iverson and Marbury were the same way. I think his defense is putrid and I still remember him punching a Knick in the BACK of the head and running away, that shows his true character to me. I still believe Nate Rob was gonna deck him but we’ll never know. That being said, I commend him for discussing his free agency in a smart manner. He might eventually leave but he’s obviously learned (or his agent has) from Lebron’s gaffe. If Lebron were in NY years ago instead of Cleveland, he’d bolt this summer since the Knicks are a complete mess and have little chance of contending soon. K Love puts up great numbers but I’m not sure he’s a future Bull. He has that Hollywood look in his eyes. I think Thibs could make either guy a solid piece to the puzzle but I’d rather not have either one for the price they’d have to pay. I think a player like Paul George, Kobe a few years ago, or a healthy D Wade, before his cheap antics started, would be the type of player that the Bulls would covet and have a great chance of contending with. They gotta get D Rose healthy and poo or get off the pot with Mirotic though, because the future is now not in a few years which is what I hear a lot in Chitown. Just my two cents…
0- Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 11:31am #875291
jmarg25ParticipantIf the Knicks had LeBron instead of Carmelo, I don’t believe they would be such a mess. LeBron is a leader, great defender, and he makes his teammates better, unlike Carmelo who is a great scorer but not a great leader/role model. With all those shooters around him, plus DPOY candidate Chandler, I think the Knicks would be a fantastic team.
I agree with you however on the point that Kevin Love would not make the Bulls too much better and doesn’t fit with their system.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 11:31am #875183
jmarg25ParticipantIf the Knicks had LeBron instead of Carmelo, I don’t believe they would be such a mess. LeBron is a leader, great defender, and he makes his teammates better, unlike Carmelo who is a great scorer but not a great leader/role model. With all those shooters around him, plus DPOY candidate Chandler, I think the Knicks would be a fantastic team.
I agree with you however on the point that Kevin Love would not make the Bulls too much better and doesn’t fit with their system.
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- Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 6:30am #875176
tbest23ParticipantI do like the discussions on here. Let me preface my comment by stating that I am not a Carmelo fan. I think he’s a volume shooter that scores in bunches but mostly due to his shot numbers. Iverson and Marbury were the same way. I think his defense is putrid and I still remember him punching a Knick in the BACK of the head and running away, that shows his true character to me. I still believe Nate Rob was gonna deck him but we’ll never know. That being said, I commend him for discussing his free agency in a smart manner. He might eventually leave but he’s obviously learned (or his agent has) from Lebron’s gaffe. If Lebron were in NY years ago instead of Cleveland, he’d bolt this summer since the Knicks are a complete mess and have little chance of contending soon. K Love puts up great numbers but I’m not sure he’s a future Bull. He has that Hollywood look in his eyes. I think Thibs could make either guy a solid piece to the puzzle but I’d rather not have either one for the price they’d have to pay. I think a player like Paul George, Kobe a few years ago, or a healthy D Wade, before his cheap antics started, would be the type of player that the Bulls would covet and have a great chance of contending with. They gotta get D Rose healthy and poo or get off the pot with Mirotic though, because the future is now not in a few years which is what I hear a lot in Chitown. Just my two cents…
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 7:21am #875088
LambTheBeast03ParticipantCarmelo is the 6th most efficient player in the NBA this season per P.E.R…you all sound stupid
0- Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 11:41am #875293
jmarg25ParticipantI thought it was established that PER has some serious flaws? Carmelo shoots 46% on 2 pointers by the way. He is definitely not one of the most efficient players in the league.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 11:41am #875185
jmarg25ParticipantI thought it was established that PER has some serious flaws? Carmelo shoots 46% on 2 pointers by the way. He is definitely not one of the most efficient players in the league.
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- Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 7:21am #875196
LambTheBeast03ParticipantCarmelo is the 6th most efficient player in the NBA this season per P.E.R…you all sound stupid
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 9:22am #875129
Memphis MadnessParticipantYou can’t pass up a potential Love-Noah pairing. They would basically get all the rebounds. Both can pass. Noah can manufacture points inside and Love can shoot from anywhere. Both have good size with Noah being a very versatile defender.
Rose, Love, and Noah would be a really good Big Three with Jimmy Butler as the fourth option. Tony Snell and Taj Gibson would also be solid rotation players for them.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 9:22am #875237
Memphis MadnessParticipantYou can’t pass up a potential Love-Noah pairing. They would basically get all the rebounds. Both can pass. Noah can manufacture points inside and Love can shoot from anywhere. Both have good size with Noah being a very versatile defender.
Rose, Love, and Noah would be a really good Big Three with Jimmy Butler as the fourth option. Tony Snell and Taj Gibson would also be solid rotation players for them.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 10:10am #875139
jwall1ParticipantI think both Love and Melo could help out the Bulls. The reality is that it is more than likely Derrick Rose will lose some of his explosiveness due to his injury. If he could become a better passing/defensive point guard, then I feel both Love or Melo would thrive in Chicago. If Rose defies the odds (which he very well could) and comes back the same player he was when he won MVP, then I personally feel Kevin Love would be a better fit. Melo and Rose could not coexist if Rose returns in peak condition, unless one of them decides to take a back seat (similar to Lebron and DWade).
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 10:10am #875247
jwall1ParticipantI think both Love and Melo could help out the Bulls. The reality is that it is more than likely Derrick Rose will lose some of his explosiveness due to his injury. If he could become a better passing/defensive point guard, then I feel both Love or Melo would thrive in Chicago. If Rose defies the odds (which he very well could) and comes back the same player he was when he won MVP, then I personally feel Kevin Love would be a better fit. Melo and Rose could not coexist if Rose returns in peak condition, unless one of them decides to take a back seat (similar to Lebron and DWade).
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 11:09am #875283
B-ball fanParticipantIf the Bulls can get Love, they have to do it. He would be such a good fit. Noah and Love would just dominate the boards and really help Rose get out in transition. Imagine the Bulls having the best bigman duo and the NBA and Derrick Rose. That would be sick. Love could help the Bulls become a good-great offensive team while actually being a defensive upgrade over Carlos Boozer.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 11:09am #875175
B-ball fanParticipantIf the Bulls can get Love, they have to do it. He would be such a good fit. Noah and Love would just dominate the boards and really help Rose get out in transition. Imagine the Bulls having the best bigman duo and the NBA and Derrick Rose. That would be sick. Love could help the Bulls become a good-great offensive team while actually being a defensive upgrade over Carlos Boozer.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 11:56am #875299
eric2013ParticipantMelo would fit perfectly in the bulls, even better than Love.
Melo plays a lot Inside, and Noah plays in the high post. Melo cant guard much, Noah will cover his weaknesess. They will complement each other well.
Also, dont forgget that Thibs can teach him a lot about D (he even made of Belinelli an average defender!!!)
In addition to that, Melo and Rose potencial pick and pop is exciting!
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 11:56am #875191
eric2013ParticipantMelo would fit perfectly in the bulls, even better than Love.
Melo plays a lot Inside, and Noah plays in the high post. Melo cant guard much, Noah will cover his weaknesess. They will complement each other well.
Also, dont forgget that Thibs can teach him a lot about D (he even made of Belinelli an average defender!!!)
In addition to that, Melo and Rose potencial pick and pop is exciting!
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 12:49pm #875321
Scott42444ParticipantFirst of all, you can’t play NB2K GM and expect to keep the roster the way it is. If the Bulls want Carmelo on the team as early as next season, they can probably make it happen. But, there are salary cap considerations that affect the decision. They would have to amnesty Boozer. Then, because of the yearly increases in salary for almost everyone else on the team, they would have to trade Taj Gibson’s contract. Then, they would have to hope Carmelo takes substaintially less than the max-level contract he could EASILY get from many other teams in the NBA. He would opt out of 1 final year with the Knicks at around $22 – $24 million and would have to accept around $18 million (or less) with Chicago. Assuming the Bulls have 2 1st Rounders in the 2014 Draft, they would have cap holds for that money. This also doesn’t allow them to offer ENOUGH money to Nikola Mirotic or any other free agent that requires more than the MLE, which Mirotic has played too well to settle for. Also, you have to extend Jimmy Butler or he becomes an UFA and if he plays well in the playoffs this year (as he did last year) he will probably be in the Taj Gibson range where his contract tops out at $8-$9 million by the fourth season. You might not be able to afford that, either.
So you are giving up ALL 3 PF’s the Bulls have in Boozer, Taj Gibson, and Mirotic to bring in Anthony and have most likely only 1 year of Jimmy Butler. That is how the new CBA works. That seems like a lot to give up for a guy who is 30 and hasn’t shown he can raise the level of play of those around him. ESPECIALLY since the Bulls are committing 30% of their salary cap space already to Derrick Rose and they aren’t sure if he will be able to play at the same high level OR if he is an injury risk everytime he takes the floor.
Of COURSE I think Carmelo would fit in well with the Bulls. They are the worst offensive team in basketball and he is an elite scorer. The Bulls would be able to find a way for Melo to fit their system. They have a dominant personality with their coach, their locker room has completely bought into their system, and a veteran would follow suit. They just would give up SO much that their roster would be decimated in order to fit him in. If he is willing to accept $15 million a year so the Bulls can keep the rest of the lineup as above average, I think they would pull the trigger in a heartbeat. Those that say he would be a "bad fit" are wrong, unless they are referencing the amount of money he would take up on the salary cap (if he signs a max deal). Then, they would be right. But, at a discount, he is worth every penny.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 12:49pm #875213
Scott42444ParticipantFirst of all, you can’t play NB2K GM and expect to keep the roster the way it is. If the Bulls want Carmelo on the team as early as next season, they can probably make it happen. But, there are salary cap considerations that affect the decision. They would have to amnesty Boozer. Then, because of the yearly increases in salary for almost everyone else on the team, they would have to trade Taj Gibson’s contract. Then, they would have to hope Carmelo takes substaintially less than the max-level contract he could EASILY get from many other teams in the NBA. He would opt out of 1 final year with the Knicks at around $22 – $24 million and would have to accept around $18 million (or less) with Chicago. Assuming the Bulls have 2 1st Rounders in the 2014 Draft, they would have cap holds for that money. This also doesn’t allow them to offer ENOUGH money to Nikola Mirotic or any other free agent that requires more than the MLE, which Mirotic has played too well to settle for. Also, you have to extend Jimmy Butler or he becomes an UFA and if he plays well in the playoffs this year (as he did last year) he will probably be in the Taj Gibson range where his contract tops out at $8-$9 million by the fourth season. You might not be able to afford that, either.
So you are giving up ALL 3 PF’s the Bulls have in Boozer, Taj Gibson, and Mirotic to bring in Anthony and have most likely only 1 year of Jimmy Butler. That is how the new CBA works. That seems like a lot to give up for a guy who is 30 and hasn’t shown he can raise the level of play of those around him. ESPECIALLY since the Bulls are committing 30% of their salary cap space already to Derrick Rose and they aren’t sure if he will be able to play at the same high level OR if he is an injury risk everytime he takes the floor.
Of COURSE I think Carmelo would fit in well with the Bulls. They are the worst offensive team in basketball and he is an elite scorer. The Bulls would be able to find a way for Melo to fit their system. They have a dominant personality with their coach, their locker room has completely bought into their system, and a veteran would follow suit. They just would give up SO much that their roster would be decimated in order to fit him in. If he is willing to accept $15 million a year so the Bulls can keep the rest of the lineup as above average, I think they would pull the trigger in a heartbeat. Those that say he would be a "bad fit" are wrong, unless they are referencing the amount of money he would take up on the salary cap (if he signs a max deal). Then, they would be right. But, at a discount, he is worth every penny.
0- Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 2:13pm #875343
Scott42444ParticipantI didn’t mean that to come off as rude. I appreciate the question and I understand you were just trying to present a discussion that discussed placing Carmelo or Love onto the exsisting Bulls team. The problem is that the new CBA is just very, very restrictive. Teams have to be very picky in how they distribute their money and even more careful as to who receives a max contract. The NBA is going to be terrible for awhile though if teams keep getting decimated by the injury bug. Teams like the Lakers, Thunder, and Bulls could be in contention every yearthe past few and the next few years but having a max contract player injured prevents them from being able to be at full strength. One or two seasons, they can still handle it. But, with guaranteed contracts it just is too crippling. They aren’t the only teams hurting by injuries. Yes, I know that injuries happen every year but it seems to be crazy how many have occurred the past couple of years. Especially to the young, up and coming stars of the league.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 2:13pm #875236
Scott42444ParticipantI didn’t mean that to come off as rude. I appreciate the question and I understand you were just trying to present a discussion that discussed placing Carmelo or Love onto the exsisting Bulls team. The problem is that the new CBA is just very, very restrictive. Teams have to be very picky in how they distribute their money and even more careful as to who receives a max contract. The NBA is going to be terrible for awhile though if teams keep getting decimated by the injury bug. Teams like the Lakers, Thunder, and Bulls could be in contention every yearthe past few and the next few years but having a max contract player injured prevents them from being able to be at full strength. One or two seasons, they can still handle it. But, with guaranteed contracts it just is too crippling. They aren’t the only teams hurting by injuries. Yes, I know that injuries happen every year but it seems to be crazy how many have occurred the past couple of years. Especially to the young, up and coming stars of the league.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/28/2014 - 3:08am #875374
jonus grumbyParticipantnotice I did say “If it could be done”.
“Of COURSE I think Carmelo would fit in well with the Bulls.”
If you believe that then the Bulls have to try and find a way to make it happen. In my team with Anthony I did not have Boozer, Gibson or Butler on it. I realize everything you said about the CBA but the issue to me is trying to make it happen
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/28/2014 - 3:08am #875482
jonus grumbyParticipantnotice I did say “If it could be done”.
“Of COURSE I think Carmelo would fit in well with the Bulls.”
If you believe that then the Bulls have to try and find a way to make it happen. In my team with Anthony I did not have Boozer, Gibson or Butler on it. I realize everything you said about the CBA but the issue to me is trying to make it happen
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- Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 4:13pm #875272
IhateusernamesParticipantKevin Love is a great scorer, but not an impact scorer. IMPACT scorers draw consistent double teams. Love runs around like a guard hitting 3s, but he is easy to guard in the post because he is too short and not athletic enough, and his footwork surprisingly not very crisp with his back to the basket.
Love most times just flails his arms hoping for a foul call. His numbers can be very decieving. He can put up 25 and 12 all he wants in the reg season, but in a 7 game series against a legit big he will get exposed and disappear I believe. He will hit 3s for sure, but are you trying to pay a guy max money to just fire up 3s and not draw double teams????? You could get JR Smith to do that.
Melo could be a franchise changer, but he has potential to be a franchise killer also. Melo unlike Love draws a ton of double teams. It would be nice if he actually made willing, crisp passes out of them. He is a great streak scorer, but he is a ball stopper. He just holds the ball and holds the ball to a nauseating level. If he could just learn to flow with the game, and understand he can get 30 without forcing it, he will win championships. But his teams have been waiting 10 years for that, and with the exception of the one year with Chauncey Billups in Denver he hasnt done it
0 - Posted on: Thu, 02/27/2014 - 4:13pm #875379
IhateusernamesParticipantKevin Love is a great scorer, but not an impact scorer. IMPACT scorers draw consistent double teams. Love runs around like a guard hitting 3s, but he is easy to guard in the post because he is too short and not athletic enough, and his footwork surprisingly not very crisp with his back to the basket.
Love most times just flails his arms hoping for a foul call. His numbers can be very decieving. He can put up 25 and 12 all he wants in the reg season, but in a 7 game series against a legit big he will get exposed and disappear I believe. He will hit 3s for sure, but are you trying to pay a guy max money to just fire up 3s and not draw double teams????? You could get JR Smith to do that.
Melo could be a franchise changer, but he has potential to be a franchise killer also. Melo unlike Love draws a ton of double teams. It would be nice if he actually made willing, crisp passes out of them. He is a great streak scorer, but he is a ball stopper. He just holds the ball and holds the ball to a nauseating level. If he could just learn to flow with the game, and understand he can get 30 without forcing it, he will win championships. But his teams have been waiting 10 years for that, and with the exception of the one year with Chauncey Billups in Denver he hasnt done it
0 - Posted on: Thu, 01/01/2015 - 3:45am #960883
joe2324Participantas a knick fan, if you want melo, take him please. i’d be ok with an unprotected 1st round pick in either 2018,2019 or 2020
0 - Posted on: Thu, 01/01/2015 - 3:45am #960744
joe2324Participantas a knick fan, if you want melo, take him please. i’d be ok with an unprotected 1st round pick in either 2018,2019 or 2020
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