Cavs are near a deal that would get them a lottery pick and big name players
There is an article on Cavsfanatics.com talking about it! They said it is the last big move the Cavs will pull before LeBron makes his decision. Also it says that this is the reason that Danny Ferry stepped down as GM because he didn't want to trade away the players involved that he worked so hard to get( Antawn Jamison,Mo Williams and/or Delonte West).
I believe I saw this on realgm but I'm not sure. I think if this was going to happen it would happen on draft night, if this is true the cavs have a player in mind and if he is their then they pull the trigger. Cousins would be perfect but I don't think he will be there at 6. If Lebron is going to leave then this could still be good, they bring in a young PF in Randolph, and scorer in Ellis, and maybe Wesley Johnson to "replace" Lebron.
Why would the warriors do this though? Do they really like Hickon that much or do they really hate Ellis?
According to the Cleveland Plain-Dealer, the Cavaliers have been "looking to potentially make a significant player trade [which] could involve one of the starters from last season."
The Cavs may buy or trade for a draft pick, and it looks like new GM Chris Grant will shake things up before the draft on June 23rd.
from http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sport=nba&id=cle&tid=6976760&lid=21
and then
While the Cavs are looking to acquire a draft pick, sources indicate they are also looking to potentially make a significant player trade. It could involve one of the starters from last season. As usual, the Cavs may be willing to take on salary both short and long term to get a deal done.
from http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/06/new_cleveland_cavaliers_...
near the bottum, is the Cleveland plain dealer newspaper that cover cleveland news/sports
Is GSW high. Right now unless you are getting Lebron, you are not giving up draft picks to Cleveland. Maybe a late first for Hickson but those are the only favorable players on that team.
Mo Williams NO
Antawn Jamison NO
Delonte West NO NO NO
Cleveland has nothing to bargain with.
If their is rumors then the Cavs must at least be trying. They have realized that if they do nothing then Lebron is gone and are trying to pull the steal of the century. If this was to happen then by comparison the Gasol trade doesn't look as bad.
Would I rather have all-stars like Jamison and Williams, or a ballhog like Monta Ellis, a "so-so" forward in Randolph, and a draft pick at six that might bring a guy who comes with a bunch of question marks.
Great trade for Golden State. Not sure what the Cavs are thinking. Probably just a rumor that won't come to pass anyway.
@jazzinSLC, are you serious? Jamison was an allstar 3 years ago and Mo was an injury replacements injury replacement (Jameer Nelson got hurt, then Ray Allen replaced him, then Ray Allen got hurt).
As of right now Randolph is "so-so" but he has way more skill than Hickson whom Lebron made look great. Jamison isn't capable of playing defence while Randolph is but he just doesn't have a coach that makes him do so. Ellis is a ballhog because if he doesn't ballhog his team loses by 30. How can you be so pessimistic about a #6 pick? Drafting Lebron came with a bunch of question markes (will he buy into his won hype, will he work to reach his potential).
You, spencerb1701, are obviously a blatant Cavs homer. This trade doesn't make any sense for GS; the only reason they'd do that is if their current owner Cohan wants to screw over whoever succeeds him...but if GS did a trade like this, the value of the franchise would plummet faster than Cleveland's record if LeBron leaves...
Ellis's contract is reasonable, considering his age; Maggette has the bad contract, and yet your trade doesn't even include dumping Maggette's salary? And GS has to sweeten the deal for the best player in the trade with a lottery pick? Unless the trade is Ellis, Randolph, 6th pick for a sign and trade for LeBron, this deal's incredibly unrealistic.
Jamison's contract is, to put it simply, awful. He's 33 and has another 11 million left per year on his deal...not something any team would want to trade for unless they were contenders. JJ Hickson isn't even as good as Anthony Randolph, and Mo Williams isn't as good as Monta Ellis (I am admittedly biased, but Randolph has a much higher ceiling, and Monta's younger). I'm sure Monta and Randolph would look even better if a) they were healthy, and b) they had LeBron playing with them. A future first/second round pick? So the #6 pick for a future #25-30 pick. Right.
Add to that the fact that your source is just an ESPN board with random fans posting irrational trade scenarios, and a newspaper article saying that your new GM wants to make some big moves. Of course he wants to make some moves, he wants to keep LeBron, and he's not going to say anything differently.
JazzinSLC, I hope that you're not serious...or maybe you just buy into the all-star hype more than most, I have no idea. I'm inclined to think that despite your username, you're a blatant Cavs homer as well.
He's a terrible team player. Mo Williams is a good distributor, and knows how to play the point position. Jamison is still a well above average player, but he seemed lost in Cleveland. Interesting how people perceive this potential trade completely differently. I think Cousins will be a bust, Monroe will be good but not great, and Johnson the same. Your not getting a franchise player with the 6th pick. After Wall, Turner, and Favors there is a HUGE dropoff in my opinion.
JazzinSLC, I don't wanna be rude but- What are you watching?
You rather take Jamison over Ellis? Thank God you're not a GM.
How are you not sold on Favors? He posted almost a double double without a PG.
Dude, Mo Williams sucks. I called it last year " He's a #3 option who cannot defend"
Mo is an inconsistent spot up shooter, he either goes 5-5 or goes 1-5. Favors will be at least average simply because he is strong and quick at the same time. Cousins has some attitude problems but his skill is evident, he could be a great center for the next 12 years.
Williams is a defensive liability and is often viewed as an SG in a PG's body, ala Jason Terry. He was an All-Star because of LeBron and the Cavs' record. Jamison is old and has an awful, awful contract for 2 more years, when he's 35; he doesn't play any defense.
Mo Williams is not a good distributor. Look at his stats; 5.3 apg vs. 2.5 to per game isn't particularly good. He's also a worse rebounder and doesn't steal the ball as well; he's also 27 and has 3 more years left on his contract. Take Mo Williams and put him on a team as injured as the Warriors, and we'll see if he's also a ballhog...
Ok, Cavs fans opinion right here.
I think this is 100% a rumor right now, but it seems intriguing.
IF they keep LeBron I would rather have Williams than Ellis but I would also look to get rid of Anthony Parker, Antawan Jamison, Shaq and West. If they could get the #6 pick along with say Maggette(who I thought would be far better than Jamison on the Cavs last year) for Parker, Jamison, and some picks I would like that trade for the Cavs alot. I would love to keep Hickson and Varejao too. And then they could do a S&T with Shaq and get rid of West.
Maybe they would have a starting lineup that looks something like this
Williams
Maggette
James
Cousins
Hickson
and
Varejao
Gibson
Moon
Which I think is actually much better than what they had this year,
in my mind, it a horrible trade for GS(Hickson would probably do well but is he any better than Turiaf, plus they give up their pick, plus AJ has a horrible contract. GS gets murdered in this trade. And on the Cavs side its better, but there is no guarantee Monta makes them much better(he is a better player than Mo Williams but still undersized unless he plays point), the draft pick could be good but will be a rookie. Whoever said this trade is Cleveland getting ready for no LBJ is right.
Point is, this trade is bad for GS. And for Cleveland, it is 50/50 wheter it make them championship level even with LBJ.
If GS wanted to trade Ellis and AR, they could get a much better package than this. Add in the 6th pick also?
Jamison and Williams don't have the highest trade value. Williams was acquired for crap expirings 2 years ago. Jamison was acquired for #30 pick in this draft, Z's 30 day vacation, and the rights to pay Telfair $2.5 mil next year. I wouldn't really say their value has really increased much in their stints with Cleveland. I don't think either one, especially with their contracts, can net you a good player, much less the #6 pick.
hes better than all of yall talking so u guys must be really bad mo williams would start for the following teams
76ers
bobcats more than likely
hornets wit cp3 out
cavs
timberwolves
wizards
6 teams 20 percent not that bad
that would be the most retarted trade on clevalends part mo hell no jaimson nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! hickson yea!!!!!!!!!!!!!
monta randolph #6 pick
yeah randolph has more skill then hickson but hes softer and does just as much (or little depending how u look at it). randolph is overrated. all i ever hear is excuses as to why he hasnt done much buteven when given time he hasnt looked anything like a third option.
C Shaq/Cousins
PF Anthony Randolph/Verajao
SF LeBron
SG Eyenga/Parker
PG Monte/Telfair
is a great 10man for next year, Parker is 3 speciallist and Eyenga has like a 6-11 wing span to play defense. Monte could play off Lebron and sebastian could be a good backup to actually play on ball.
Umm guys r u friggin kidding with this post and the responses in the post.ARENT THE WARRIORS TRYING TO TRADE UP TO 4 FOR COUSINS.ISNT FAVORS GOING AT 3?
This trade is "NOT" happening and even if it does Favors or Cousins are not going at #6 in the draft...
Cavs getting Ellis, Randolph and the 6th pick for Jamison, Hickson and Mo Williams.
Are you sure the Warriors won't be taking Delonte West back in the deal too.
Whats next Stephen Curry and Turiaf for Jamario Moon and Daniel Gibson seriously this a stupid deal for the Warriors.
Hickson is a nice role player thats about it but Randolph has the potential to be a difference maker.
Hickson looks to bea a Amare or Boozer in the League. His defense is allready better then Randolphs, so he could be there athletic PF that plays the center for them, Randolph has shown to be too weak to do it. Ellis is slightly better scorer the Williams,but Williams is a better PG. I guess it really boils down to the cavs willingness to take on money like Magetties(sp) contract and Warriors getting expirings like West and Jamison.
We shall find out soon when we know more of the players that will be included, since where talking about a deal that is close but not yet finished.
The only info on the team is that they play in california. Meaning GS, LAL, or SAC. Most think it is with GS for the number 6 pick.
In the expected trade the cavs would get the 6th pick(Cousins), Monte Ellis, and Anthony Randolph for a package of players most likely centered arround Antawn Jamison or JJ Hickson plus Mo Williams and a future 1st or 2nd round pick.