So last night I was watching Kentucky play at Auburn (I'm a UK fan being from Kentucky), and Barkley was there for the game. Charles joined the commentary for a little bit, and he was asked about the UK players and their draft stock, which lead to him talking about the 1 and done rule.
I agree 100% with everything Sir Charles said. None of these UK freshman are ready for the NBA and really should stay, even if Coach Calipari is bringing in another super strong freshman class. This goes back to the one and done rule, which I don't like, granted it's better than nothing, but I feel like rookie players would be much player and have more of an impact in the NBA if they stayed at least 2 or 3 years. Look at this years rookie class, outside of Lilard, who was in college for 4 years btw, nobody has been an impact player. Even Anthony Davis hasn't been much of an impact player, granted he's had some injuries, and doesn't get a lot of shots, and he's still going to be a great player, but still.
If players stayed 2-3 years both the NCAAB and NBA would be better. NCAAB's level of quality is really down this year, mainly due to loosing so many players early to the draft, and this years class isn't very good. That's why you see so many mid-majors like Butler, Gonzaga, or Creighton in the top 25, because they have what a lot of these teams don't, expierence. Yes Kentucky won it all last year as a super young team, but that team was loaded with talent, and they had Darius Miller who was a senior who had played a lot and Terrance Jones and Doron Lamb who were sophomores coming off a final 4 run as freshman. And the NBA would be improved with mores rookies actually playing and making a difference. You want to know why there are soo many terrible teams in the NBA, because they're playing rookies who shouldn't be in the NBA. I also agree that these freshman are pushed to leave before they're ready due to greed from agents, family, friends, or from themselves.
What do you all think about this whole rule in general? Do you think any of Kentucky's freshman are good enough to leave after this year? Hell, do you think any freshman is? Because I don't.
I agree too, I think it's best for college basketball also, it would allow all the talent to be spread out instead of all of them going to make one super team and leave; god can you imagine Anthony Davis and Nerlens Noel guarding the paint together?
Imagine if players had to stay all 4 years. Kentucky's team this year would be something like this.....
G John Wall
G Eric Bledose
F Mike Kidd-Gilchrist
F Anthony Davis
C DeMarcus Cousins
G Brandon Knight
G Doron Lamb
F Terrance Jones
C Daniel Orton
C Enes Kanter (he actually went to UK, just never was allowed to play)
G Archie Goodwin
F Alex Poythress
C Nerlens Noel
C Willie Cauley-Stien
My stance on this has been that if a player is a consensus lottery pick, that player should be able to come straight out of high school. If they do choose to go to college, they should have to stay for multiple years.
Good point, but that would never work since it's all based on opinion if a player is lotto pick, you know?
I get that it's opinion, but the obvious guys like Shabazz and Noel and probably a few others with a really high grade would still be able to come out.
I understand, but doesn't mean they're any less likely to be a bust, you can never really say for sure.
I totally 100% agree with sir Charles, and with you. When I look at guys Like Michael Kidd Gilchrist, when I look at Perry Jones, when I look at most of these athletic players coming into the draft, I can't help but notice how raw, and how lacking they are to perform adequately at the next level. Most players actually have that. If you look at james Harden for example, his first 2 years with the thunder were not very significant. His exposure to top level competition and deep championship runs led to his rise, but I don;t think that the nba should gamble on whether you can reach that level, they should pay you based on how performing the machine is coming into the draft. Even John Wall would've benefited a lot from staying in college for at least 1 more year.
To be fair, MKG has performed at a fairly high level despite being raw.
Personally I am always against anything that allows an entity (whether that be gov't or a corporation) to determine the choices an individual should be able to make on their own. I disagree with anyone that would want to implement rules that dictate when a person can enter their career field, especially because you think it would make a sport better.
You can say it is better for the players too, but who are you to decide that? Perhaps maximizing their own NBA talent is not their only goal.
I'm sure most people will disagree with my stance because it is more about individual rights than the NBA, but I can't stand all of the rules we try to create that limits individual choice for supposed social benefit.
I understand the individuals right def, I just look at it like, hey instead of going to get to the NBA and get paid, you get to go these great schools, learn (if you care to), get coached by great coaches, free boarding, food, gear. Play against top level competion while getting to live the college life, I think that's a great oppurtunity.
I used to be all for the one and done. For some players the year of college is a total waste of time like LeBron and soon Andrew Wiggins. In the past I was scared of them changing the rule to make them stay for two years or so because we saw Brandon Jennings skip college to go get paid in Europe. I thought more kids would go that route but I'm convinced that going overseas and getting paid isn't as attractive anymore.
I don't like the one and done rule in principle, but I think its the best case scenario. While I think Chuck is right about agents and some family members in general being greedy and unscrupulous, he is leaving everyone else that doesn't have the best interest of these young men out. The colleges, coaches, NBA teams and current players all have a vested interest in pushing a kid out early or not. Plus the player's themselves, how many hate education, whether its college or high school. Imagine if garbage men had guaranteed six figure deals and somebody could leave 9th grade in high school early to be one. Bored strong kids would be signing up for one and done across the country.
I am all for education and college in general, I think the first two years of college should be covered just like high school education in the country. It could be optional but covered and just a continuation of public education.
Honestly though, a 19 year old who can vote should not be told that he cannot possibly try to gain access to employment that would put him in position to be one of the top 2 percent income earners in the country because people don't think he's ready for a job but the company (NBA teams) does. That's like if Goggle or Microsoft wants to hire a college freshman computer prodigy but college science robotic teams and professors don't want to lose you so they make a rule after they conspire with the old guys at the company that don't want to compete for their R and D jobs.
If teams want to limit their ability to make bad decisions they could push the restricted status of rookies from 4 years of service to 2. Then have it where a player can only sign a 2 year maximum deal. After four years complete unrestricted free agency with no pre-free agency extensions allowed. Teams could not build by stacking picks and then controlling them for basically 4 to 8 years, virtually paying them to develop.
Players already can't pick where they want to work and for what company and coach, they also have how much they get paid already laid out even if they prove they are worth more. But if you go to college for 3 years and you are 21 then somebody has your right for at least 4 years making you 25, then you can play out a qualifying year and finally get to do what you want at 26 years old. The League and Player's Union shadily hide behind antiquated anti-trust laws.
double post, my bad
out of kentuckys freshmen that aren't ready to make the jump I would say poythress stands out the most...I still think Goodwin should declare and noel...but now its been a norm for these freshmen players to declare after one yr no matter how raw there skills are.... does it make it a bad decision?? not exactly... but it can benefit their games.... and def. improve the college game
I like the one and done,NBA want to see what the players can do in a better competition than high school,they get it with that rule
but they don't have the right to tell the players how can the develop or spent there Pre-NBA career or how much they need to develop
Their will be always busts ,it has nothing to do with how much you day stay in college ,Hasheem Thabeet was Junior and drafted 2nd ,BJ Mullens drafted 24th as a freshman ,everybody thought he should stay while nobody said Thabeet need more years, guess who is the better player
GMs always does mistakes ,don't put it on the players
Also what about players going into a college team that they are a bad fit in it?why force them to spend 2 years there?
no one pushes them those kids are adults and make their decisions if they go that's their business..
look at this from the other standpoint it would be boring to LeBron play in college especially multiple years, same with Howard Durant Rose Kyrie
^agreed... that's y I said it may benefit their games....there will always be busts no matter what.... guys like joe alexander.. staying 3 yrs in college... or thabeet... and those two turned out to be big time busts..... but there are plenty of one and dones who have been productive in the league.... it doesn't always help staying longer.... in some players it may... but then look at perry jones and jared sullinger
And obstacle stopping us from getting money, we deserve now a days in this country so why rob a kid of his dream and his money? No it's a bad idea, its about the players not the organizations. Thats the problem now a days the workers who bust their a$$ come secondary while the big dogs get money. I hate that idea. A grown man has a right to make his money to take care of his family. He should not have to wait. Do rich kids have to wait before they reap the benefits of being rich? Can't stand people who support that idea.
2 years makes the most sense to me. it gives the players one year to adjust to college and then another where they'll realize if they are actually ready or not. there will always be players who leave early that shouldnt but i think this way gives the players plenty of time to be realistic with their choice without restricting them too much with three years. even the players who should be "one and done" will benefit from maturing for another year.
i honestly dont know why these guys are in such a hurry to leave school, college girls>groupie hoes
It's a non issue in football. I don't want to hear that it is a different game and young football players aren't physically ready. You don't think the Clowney kid from South Carolina couldn't have made an impact in the NFL after his freshman year? He isn't complaining about it though. It's established he has to wait 3 years.
A second year would do the college game wonders and would make these kids better and ready to contribute. There are always going to be exceptions to the rule like Lebron, Amare and possibly Wiggins but if we set the rule and leave it be, everything would be fine. The only reason this is a topic is because basketball changed the rule. Truth is, it should have been a 2 year rule for awhile but the NBA didn't see the epidemic coming. Just make it 2 years. It hurts nobody. If you can play you will make your living. If you can't make an impression in 2 years of college then you don't deserve to be drafted.
First off I love Chuck, but he has even said before that he got paid by an agent and that players should be compensated at the college level for all the money the NCAA makes off of them.
I think a lot more players would be interested in staying around if colleges properly compensated these talents for the money they rake in for them. Also it would make these players less desperate to jump in bed with sleazy agents. All the greats were making money when they were in college, and now there
The NBA would have suffered plenty if Lebron, KG, Kobe etc....did not come directly out of high school. We would have all suffered greatly as fans.
The answer is complicated, but compromise is key, and letting colleges pay players and is fair for everyone.
i agree with Sir Charles, at least let them stay 2 years in college, or like in the Philippine league all draft aspirants first needs to play 2 years of Developmental League before Jumping in the Pro League,
im suggesting that if want out for there first year, at least let them play 1 year at the D-league before being eligible for the Draft, this might be great for the D-league for having more great talent, at least let the rookie taste the LOWS of the League before getting HIGHS of the league