Now let me say a couple of things before I go on about this trade. 1. Go ahead and neg me because its not a perfect trade and doesn't make 100% sense for all 3 teams, thats fine. 2. I don't think this trade would ACTUALLY work, because I think the Kings aren't getting quite enough, I just think it is an interesting deal to suggest. 3. I would also have multiple picks going to the Kings in this deal, maybe 2 from LAC and 1 from BOS.
For the Clippers and Celtics, I think this makes perfect sense.
The Clippers are going for the title RIGHT NOW. They get KG, who is a much more consistent defender than Jordan, and will help space the floor better with Griffin. Then they get Tyreke, Who could come off the bench and be an impact scorer. Tyreke coming off the bench on a contender is such a better fit than Tyreke being "the guy" on a dysfunctional lottery team. He could still play major minutes, and provide the Clippers with one more guy on the perimeter who could get you 20 on a given night. The crunch time lineup of CP3-Crawford-Reke-Griffin-KG is very scary for a lot of reasons. Paul can create everything, and Reke's lack of a jump shot would survive seeing as you have Crawford out there, and KG who could stretch out to 18 feet.
The Celtics make this deal for the right now and the future. This year, you have Bledsoe-Bradley-Pierce-Bass-Cousins as your starting 5. No Rondo this year, and a boarding on completely washed up KG next year really leaves you at a dead end even in the present with those 2. This trade gives you essentially the same chance you have now. Could upset the Knicks or the Pacers in the first round, but realistically have no shot at a title. And down the road it makes so much sense. In 3 years, Rondo is going to be nearing 30, and KG is going to be out of the league. Meanwhile Bledsoe and Cousins will be entering their primes. With them, Bradley, and Sullinger, thats a really nice young core. Also, you have seen what a team looks like with Rondo as your star. You aren't winning a title. I think Doc would be a godsend for Cousins' career as well. Fredette is a nice throw in as a shooter off the bench, and although Salmons primarily involvement in this trade is "Guy with crappy contract Kings will demand to shed if they do it", he'll still give the Celtics a guy who can play a bit off the bench.
Now the Kings would be reluctant, for sure. But my main argument there is that you've seen Tyreke and DeMarcus. It doesn't work. Its not going to work in 2 years, its not going to work in 5 years. Both are extremely difficult to coach, both are selfish, both don't care and both aren't quite talented enough to look past all that in contend. During these 3 years of the duo, the Kings haven't improved a bit. Rondo gives you a name. Whether you're staying in SAC or fleeing for Seattle, he is considered a star. And maybe you get alittle FU mode of out of him when he returns. Jordan isn't Cousins, for sure, but he's still an athletic freak whose game could open up if given a bigger role than "5th scoring option on the court" at all times. Throw in Melo who has about a 10% chance of having a decent NBA career, and like I said multiple picks. Not saying they will be great picks but the Suns probably didn't think they were getting awesome picks from the Lakers and now those may be worth something.
Being a Kings fan I'd disagree with you. But its obviously no secret that Cousins and Reke struggle to play with eachother. Rondo and Deandre Jordan wouldn't be too bad. But still like you said, I feel that the Kings aren't getting enough in the deal. Maybe if Courtney Lee was thrown in to sweeten the pot a little bit I think it would be an "ok" deal for the Kings. Even though the true benefactors would be the Celtics and Clippers.
I tried to work Lee into the deal, the C's really wouldn't need him afterwards. But he makes 5 mil a year, and the Kings are already receiving a lot in this deal contract wise.
Rivers left with Cousins,Bledsoe,Rondo? Yeah that sounds smart. Not. Locker room counts in how well a team does. Trades only benefit the Clips and no one else will be the final results of that trade. Future is even less hright with two guys who could walk in a year. Dumb trades.
They wouldn't have Rondo anymore. Bledsoe and Cousins played together in college, and Doc is about 100% times the coach Smart is, and VDN (inferior to Doc) has had no issues with Bledsoe. Bledsoe and Cousins would both be RFA after next season, meaning the Celtics, who would have NO ONE locked up in expensive long term deals unless if you count Green's, could match any offer. So basically most of things you said were wrong.
As far as trades go there will always be people who disagree, whether real or purposed. I have to say that for all the teams involved this might end up as a step forward. There is a very little chance the Kings make a move because of their ownership situation, but I have to say that I would love to see what happens after a trade like this.
I'm glad that a Kings fan actually got the point of this trade. You're right, the Kings probably wouldn't actually do it, but my point is kind of, why not? Rondo is locked up, if they could get some pieces around him it could work. The C's are stuck in no mans land, and I think they could really benefit from switching things up and get younger. The Clips are contenders NOW, they need to make a move to improve their team.
KG won't waive his no trade clause unless Pierce is gone before him
Trying to win it all homes. Stop hating. Stop hating. Dreaming of helping your own squad?
I'm a Bulls fan. The Celtics have a 0 percent change of winning it all, holmes. Hate to rain on your bias and illogical opinion.
Your obviously a delusional Celtics fan, I bet you think Rondo is the best point guard in the league huh?
Hey now...I don't agree with this guy at all but dissing Rondo?? He's a top 5 PG, the best passer, and prolly only trails CP3 as best pure PG as Rose and Westbrook are just short small forwards IMO...someone's a Rondo hater...lol
This trade is ok, it definitely isnt ridiculous. Celtics get younger, the clippers get 2 guys who fit their rotation better and are good. The kings might need a pick or some other player to sweeten it a little bit for them, the only problem for the kings is that they still dont get a leader to help their young team, rondo can be one, but he can be out of control at times. I think if the celtics do this then they will trade paul pierce too and just go completely into rebuilding mode.
What you believe. Its about what those players believe. I don't believe it they do and that'd all that matters.
See it as a challenge but possible to do. I can think whatever and you can too, but does it matter to them? No. Therefore blow up talk makes you ignorant to the sport or what's going on.
That's fine if thats what they believe. if your argument for why this isn't a good trade is because they think they are contenders, thats fine but its false, so it really doesn't matter. You really think they are better off with KG this year than Bledsoe and Cousins?
Bledsoe is going to want $ that though he is good he is not worth. Cousins too. Patience is a virtue when you have already been getting younger don't play yourself. Miami,NY,Dallas are amongst top 5 oldest teams. Celtics don't make that top 5. Think on it man. F the media and think on it.
SCOUT4REAL How is trading a player on his last leg, and a player who is out of the year, for two players who are going to play immediately BLOWING IT UP? Cousins can't give them what KG did? He's a far better offensive player and rebounder at this point. Defensively, the Celtics stink as it is, and KG is slowing down. Bledsoe isn't an upgrade from Bradley running the 1 instead of the 2, and Barbosa playing heavy minutes at the 1? C'mon...
F the media? WTF are you talking about?
BLEDSOE AND COUSINS WOULD BE RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS, SO THE CELTICS COULD RETAIN THEM REGARDLESS. Who do the Celtics have locked up long term, if they trade Rondo, other than Jeff Green? NO ONE.
According to you. He is a veteran wich every team needs. He is better than the average veteran. Is SA trading Timmy D? No
San Antonio has the best record in the NBA, not the 7th seed in the east. Duncan has been better than KG this year.
Did not go far. Celtics were two games under 500. Last year at allstar break.
I'm done with this pointless argument. Its a trade idea, that helps 3 teams in different way. I don't care if KG won't waive his no-trade, I don't care if the Celtics think they are contending, or if you think KG is the greatest player in the league right now. It makes sense to me, and I feel like it makes sense to most people who look at it.
If anything, the Kings are the team that would question it.
Only Miami and Chicago are a threat in the east. C's see it too. Cousins needs to show more consistent play. Bledsoe is a scoring guard in a PG body. Wont equal wins just numbers and money owed. Not a good trade.
umm there are a couple teams called the New York Knicks, Indiana Pacers, as well as the Brooklyn Nets who would ALL beat the Celtics in a 7 game series. And you already mentioned Miami and Chicago. Without Rondo, they have no chance at getting a 'ship man
Not the worst trade idea at all, even though it has to many big name moving parts to probably work out in real life. Sac doesn't get jobbed as much as people were saying because they get picks (or BOS could throw in Bradley and I'd give them a pick, great friends with Rondo) and lose the pointless millions they are giving to Salmons. Salmons is making 15 million in the next two years and Sac won't be able to move that deal because everybody wants to be players in that 2014 summer free agency period. Plus I don't believe Reke will take nothing less than 40 million and he will be instantly overpaid over at least the first two years of that deal if not all four.
Sac could get younger if they rather have Bledsoe than Rondo and deal with the Clippers straight up. Cous and Blake hate each other but Cous on the Clips with CP3 and Blake beat the Heat this year in the Championship. Clips throw in a pick or two I would do this
or keep Cous and send Reke to the Clips for Bledsoe, Green (on a great deal right now), and either Billups or G.Hill to be bought out.
I'm always sceptical of trade deals on this site but I do like this one from some points and have given Swag a +1 for being one of the few decent deals put on here.
1. The Clippers get KG alongside Blake Griffin and could have KG, Odom, Hill, Billups and CP3 to potentially close a game out, that is one hell of an experienced line up. Evans has KG, CP3, Billups, Hill etc to help bring him on again what better environment.
2. Boston get an immediate building piece in DMC plus adding Beldsoe and Jimmer it becomes run and gun city. As regards DMC, I would ask Bill Russell to take him around the Boston Garden tell him about Red's legacy and point to all the championship pennants in the ceiling and tell him he could add to this.
3. Kings give up two young pieces plus the hometown hero but as the team is moving then the Jimmer link isn't such an issue. However they get an All Star PG and a proven big man, Rondo will feed Jordan easy baskets, they can bring Robinson in alongside Jordan, they move Salmons deal and they still have a likely high draft pick this year.
As regards KG's no trade clause, I feel the chance to ride shotgun with CP3 and Blake Griffin would be too tempting to turn down but he may want to know that CP3 would commit before he waives his clause. Plus bringing KG in would be another major factor to convince CP3 to stay.
Convincing yourself they have no shot. Where above did I say they had a shot? I said that's their mind frame. Haters lol. C's are good. They wont be moving their good peices to help your squads. Stop hating. Boston motherf#ckers.
I think this trade would be really good if the kings could somehow be thrown to the kings , they would tank this year with Rondo injured then say draft Ben McClemore or Shabazz Muhammed. Imagine lineup of this
With Thornton as the 6th man