The NBA draft needs to be fixed. Too many teams are drafting players that they don't need and then sending them to the D-League just to sit and waste time (i.e. Josh Selby). I believe that the NBA only needs 1 round for the draft and that rookie contracts should only be one year long. I also believe that an NBA rookie should only spend a max of 10 games if their assigned to the D-League. If you've drafted the wrong guy then let him go so that he could continue his journey elsewhere (i.e. Cory Joseph). Teams send guys to the D-League for three years (Rookie contract years) until their value in the NBA has exhausted and teams have forgotten how talented they were.
this is brilliant! so gonna happen
So a rookie plays for the team who drafts him for one year and then what? He's free to go wherever he wants to?
I highly doubt rookies would think that less guaranteed money and years = fixing their situation.
D-League is short for "developmental" league. If it's not used for "developing" then what is the purpose?
Is there a difference in a player's value if he sits on the bench for 3 yrs as opposed to being sent down to the d-league 3 consecutive years, while also riding on the bench for the parent team?
Situation matters, but sometimes a player just isn't as good as you think he is.
I don't agree with what he says about the 1 year contracts thing, but I don't think the NBA developmental league is actually used for that much development. It's just a place t create a roster spot in my opinion. He mentioned a player like Josh Selby, if Josh Selby actually got some burn in Memphis I think he could produce, or how now they sent Tony Wroten to the D-League, So you have Conley and Tony Allen as the starters, who are then backed up by 2 brand new players in Ellington and Bayless, and then you have 2 talented youngsters sitting on the bench or in the D-League in Selby and Wroten, what's the point of having them. Josh Selby may never get a real chance because he hasn't been able to show anything in Memphis.
A different situation does players some good, look at a player like OJ Mayo, who was being called a bust the last 2 years... Once again Memphis is the place, he signs with Dallas and he's averaging 21 points 4 assists and 4 rebounds. Or think about a player like BJ Mullens, number 1 player coming from high school, gets no burn in OKC, and actually produces in Charlotte. 12 points, 8 rebounds, a block and a steal. Some players are system players, some players are just gamers, and some players aren't very talented( in the NBA spectrum of talented, of course they're more talented than most of us).
I say the D-League needs to be used just like baseball minor league, Every team has a minor league team that actually develops it's players, and you have a system that they can stay in and learn or you can use high picks at trade bait, etc. Also I think the NBA should be like the baseball draft, either you come from high school or you have to stay for a minimum of 3 years in college. It would help both leagues in my opinion. NCAA and NBA.
Why not make the NBA draft 3 rounds like they used to years ago ?
The great Bill Laimbeer was a third rounder (65th) overall - too slow, not athletic enough, can't jump.
4 all star games, 2 rebounding crowns and 2 rings later.....
Honestly, If you take out the D-League you'd see a lot of guys who are still affiliated with NBA teams, be overseas after a year or two. One of those players is Josh Selby. Guys still love him because of high school, but he's not that good in the NBA game. He might be able to play 15 mpg for the Wizards, but playing behind Wayne Ellington and Jared Bayless, isn't "a coach screwing him over" it's because he's 6'2'' shooting guard who can't create for his teammates in the half court, isn't a good defender outside of gambling in passing lanes and jacks up shots despite any momentum the team may have.
But hey, a high school mixtape knows more than an NBA coach who's team makes the playoffs year in and year out.
Josh is the same guy who was named the summer league MVP shooting near 70% from 3. Besides Bayless is a 6"2 shooting guard who can't create for himself or others and I guess he's a better defender. I guess you believe that D. Lillard is that much better. I believe that he given a different opportunity. Guys like Selby and Wroten are being evaluated before their even being given an opportunity. The Griz knew that they going to be used before they drafted him.
First of all, Tony Wroten was taken in the 1st round and signed to a three year contract. I doubt he is being evaluated too heavily and counted out because he hasn't played much in the first 20 games of his NBA career. I get if you like him, but teams don't just draft guys in the first round because they want to give up on them.
Secondly, I get if you like Selby, but I remain strong on my opinion, that he will not amount to much as an NBA player. It's not because he's barely played, like Pistol Pete thinks, it's because I watched every college game he's played and actually followed his career. My analysis of his game I already shared, but he gets frustrated and distributes terrible body language when thinks aren't going his way. The Summer League style is perfect for his game, it's super up tempo with very few half court sets and it's shorts, so if his shot gets going, it's possible for him to shoot ungodly numbers over a 4 or 5 game stretch against other rookies and journeymen.
Look at how many combo guards have taken home MVP honors, they all thrive in uptempo situations and can get hot on a short span. Randy Foye, Jared Bayless, Nate Robinson, have taken home SL MVP.s John Lucas III always tore it up, as did Sebastian Telfair, Jonny Flynn and many others. Selby had a great summer leauge, but I can look past his numbers and at his game and see that he is, at best, a bench spark who drops 7 or 8 points in 15 mpg and at worst, out of the league in two years.
The Grizzlies are freaking giving him a chance, do you know how many 2nd rounders are even signed to contracts? Generally at least 15 2nd round picks don't play an NBA game. The Grizz saw enough in Selby to sign him, try to develop him in Summer Leagues and the D-League in hope he'll be worth an extension. He hasn't done it yet, it's not the Grizzlies fault, it's not the world against Josh Selby. Maybe his next team will be worse or have a need for a bench shooter and play him more, but his game isn't that unique despite his high school clout. I've witnessed him adjust slowly to the college game, I've seen him struggle against grown professionals. He may prove me wrong, but his contract is up after this season and he's in his early 20's. Playing with a playoff team with some of the top players in the league for his first two seasons, isn't going to be a detriment towards professionalism, seeing what it takes to win at an NBA level, and practicing against All-Stars. Getting 15 mpg for the Wizards would be much worse for him IMO.
Those are good points. The majority of these players guys are complaining about aren't that good. Why is Selby always used as an example? People get too caught up in McDonald all americans and high school credentials.....but like all sports, what have you done for me lately? Selby needs the developmental league.....maybe he can develope into a point guard. What if the pistons sent Darko to the D league? It seemed to work for Thabeet, he looks half decent now. Gerald Green tuned his game up there. It can work. I would rather have my rookie playing, staying in shape, and learning in the d league in oppose to them getting 4.5 mins of meaningless basketball in blowout time.
I used Josh because I've been watching him play for years. Selby is the same guy that destroyed the NBA Summer League that featured all of the same players that are being featured as the next big thing in the NBA. Last year he averaged over 20pts a game in the D-League. None of the players that you mentioned were ever considered as the top player in the nation in High school which for Josh was just three years ago (same class as Kyrie) who started as a rookie. Please compare apples to apples and to oranges.
The only thing wrong with it is the lottery.
The NBA is becoming young to fast. I agree they should make changes in the draft. I feel like team are drafting to many so called potential players. Only a few teams in the NBA can afford to draft those players. IMHO NBA teams should draft seniors first and the freshmen. Unless you can afford to wait two or three years for a player to develope. Look at the NBA now. The teams that are doing well are the teams with the vets player mixed with some rooks. A proven senior can come in and give you some production right away. Now once again this doesn't apply to all teams nor all freshmen. The league is changing and so does teams philosophy about how they draft.
I like the D league and think teams should do a better job of using it to their advantage.
The draft should be extended so teams can draft and develop players for their roster or as trade bait. Selby looks like he will be a good player, but you don't have minutes for him. Let him play in the dleague, build his trade value, call him up when you have minutes for him. Build your system in the dleague to match the big team.
In my opinion if I am a Josh Selby(since people seem to think he isn't very good) I would rather be overseas than sitting on the pine. At least he'd be able to make his money, show his talents, and he'd still have the opportunity to come back to the NBA if he wanted to. A young player riding the pine isn't really going to help his development all of the time and sending him to the D-League where coaches have different agendas for all players, and some teams don't even run the same scheme as their father team isn't going to help either. Some young players get to learn by being thrust into the fire and they burst into stardom, some players never get that chance and then their out of the league after 3 years. When Selby went to the d-league last year as a rookie he averaged 25.1 points, 6.3 rebounds, and 4.9 assists in 34.1 minutes. So if that's not what the D-League is for then what is? He went down and dominated still didn't get a great opportunity, Summer League, dominated still didn't get a great opportunity. So exactly what else can he do besides get his opportunity in an NBA game?
Someone said this is a "what have you done lately for me" league, well If I can't show you my worth because i'm sitting on the bench behind 3 other guys that have underperformed in their careers how does that help me, trade me, release me, allow me to forge my own path, they're all grown men so they should be able to make decisions for themselves. The team shouldn't hold on to a player that isn't going to be used by them. Seriously Wayne Ellington's only discernible trait which is his shot hasn't even been falling this year, except for maybe 4 games this season. Seriously everyone knows Tony Allen isn't better than OJ Mayo but their scheme made Tony Allen the starter for a year and a half. Schemes and situations matter.
NBA coaches don't always make the best decision and here we are giving them absolution of the development of a talent. People like Joe Wolf probably said Kobe wasn't good back after his rookie season. Players are ranked high in high school for a reason, after that it's for the player to personally develop their game and for coaches to try and cultivate them into stars. They get paid millions of dollars to cultivate players and create schemes.
Bear Bryant said "molding men" meant a lot to him, that meant on and off the field, and that's every coaches job, to make the players all around better. Some of these coaches don't do that.
He is a 6'2 shooting guard not named Allen Iverson, strike one. He had a LOT of hype going into kansas, under performed badly, strike two. He almost went undrafted, strike three. He couldn't can't beat out/win the coach over "3 guys that have under performed in their careers" another strike. Ok he was killing in the D league....but did he develop his game any? Did he become a better PG......with all that said they took a chance on him, what's the issue with him being sent to the d league? And quoting a college coach does not apply to proffesional sports. Nba coaches job is too win games and not get fires. That's. The real.....
Jason Terry, Lou Williams, Monta Ellis, Avery Bradley, Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, Chris Jackson(Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf), Bobby Jackson, Chauncey Billups, Russell Westbrook, Gilbert Arenas, Devin Harris, Mo Williams, I can keep going on about these 6'3 and under scoring guards that have been successful in the NBA, and none of their names are Allen Iverson. Lionel Hollins said he was a shooting guard so I don't know why people keep saying did he learn how to be a better point guard.
And if you listen to any player who mentions their coach in an acceptance speech or hall of fame speech, they always mention their coaches helping them become better players and men. I also already said, coaches have their own agendas. That's why drafting young players you aren't going to use is beneficial to the player, that's why the D-League and Draft system needs to be updated and I'd go the MLB route.
When you're dealing with players who are still not even old enough to drink, as a coach you still have a responsibility to that player, on and off of the court. Changes to the draft and d-league may also be able to help the monetary issues NBA players face.
Oooooor, that I'm very familiar with Selby and am not nor have I ever been a fan of his game translating to the NBA as anymore than a Janerreo Pargo type player. I'm very patient with young players who I think their game will translate. I was an unbending supporter of a rookie James Harden, I'm not afraid to support or not support a player because of my own analysis, sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong but I always have reasons, and for the record I was high on Kobe since day 1. Better to have the balls to go with your gut than just play wait and see.
Look what Memphis has done with Z Bo and Gay, I don't think you can call Hollins out for not being a motivator and demanding improvement on and off the court.
I think that were on a similar page.
have enough clout or get enough minutes to produce at the NBA level. He has to decide that he can defend, penetrate, penetrate, penetrate and or distribute to make it successfully. I like Selby and I thought he was drafted way too late but perfectly in the right number of selections. A good example of a guy that constantly needs humbling but excels due to his confidence. That's a tough nut to crack. He is one of those guys that will have a 1 for 10 shooting performance and think no matter what coach or analysis said that the problem is he "has to play his game" and not doing that is the problem even if that the reason he is having problems.
"The NBA Draft needs to be fixed."
But...but...it already is fixed...