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- Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:14pm #5176
Knicksboy34ParticipantOK…some drama in this post. Here is my Current NBA Top 10 players
1. Kobe Bryant ( The Ring solidify his spot)
2.Dwayne Wade ( I know. If he stayed Healthy he is number two)
3.LeBron James (He needs a ring now. It’s time in 2010. Maybe he moves on?)
4.Chris Paul (Best PG in the L, needs some help as well. 2011 is his FA year)
5.Dwight Howard (It’s scary to think, he’s top 5 and is not even at 50% of his potential)
6.Carmelo Anthony (He turned the corner this year. Had shown improvement on D)
7.Kevin Durant (He made a huge splash last year. He is going to be a top 3 guy next year.)
8.Tim Duncan (Getting Older, still is a 20-10 guy.)
9.Deron Williams (He finally gets the Love. This is a guy who gets constantly overshadowed)
10. Brandon Roy (Showed some excellent games. Could be a top 5 player in a about 2 years)What do u think? Move some guys up? Into the top 10? Out?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:16pm #165946
bakimmlebron at the top of any list
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:18pm #165950
Knicksboy34ParticipantCant be. He needs to prove he can win that Title. I mean he is 1 of 3 #1 contenders but Wade and Kobe have the Hardware on thier fingers.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:19pm #165951
Im Your FatherParticipantI like the love for deron williams.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:20pm #165952
Knicksboy34ParticipantHe is not that far behind Paul. I would probably take Williams over Paul to be honest with you.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:22pm #165953
Michael.S.Participantof wade and possibly a better player(excluding accolades)than kobe,an i still think you substitute A.I. and Duncan for B-Roy and D-will
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:23pm #165956
bakimmthey both won titles with shaq one of the best big man ever
lebron need a real allstar not mo williams even tho hes a great players0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:23pm #165957
Knicksboy34ParticipantI cannot Agree on A.I but Duncan true. I wanted to put Duncan but in my eyes this is the “Current NBA top 10”
Duncan is a top 15 NBA all time player…but right now? No.I mean, Even KG is a stretch………
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:23pm #165955
butidonthavemoneyThanks for giving D-Will some love.
1. Kobe Bryant
2. LeBron James
3. Dwayne Wade
4. Dwight Howard
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Tim Duncan
7. Yao Ming
8. Dirk Nowitzki
9. Chris Paul
10. Deron Williams (Never been on an all-star team)0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:24pm #165958
GoodbyeChandlerParticipantrings make wade better than lebron? idk about that. i dont think rings judge a player. its not his fault the gm built a scrubby team.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:25pm #165960
llperezDuncan has to be there. I know his game has declined, but he still plays smart at both ends and leads that team. If we are guessing for the next year or two, then I would include Durant, but not as of this point. He needs to improve in a few areas, and scoring big on a bad team should’nt make you one of the best.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:27pm #165963
Knicksboy34ParticipantNo..He build a good Team. He built a 66 win team who had the best record in the NBA.
The issue is Cleveland relied on LBJ and never got a true #2 option…I think they should add Richard Jefferson.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:28pm #165965
Knicksboy34ParticipantI think Im gonna move Garnett and put in Duncan.
Also, this is the Current NBA top 10, Put Durant on a team like Indiana or Charlotte, teams that had a chance and he would be getting more hype.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:34pm #165973
llperezbryant
james
wade
paul
howard
duncan
anthony
roy
Dwilliams
garnetthonorable mention for guys who can enter this list next year:
rose
arenas
durant
stoudemire0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:39pm #165979
Knicksboy34ParticipantI wanted to Rose in my top 10 so bad…but i couldnt.
Hes gonna get like 22ppg and like 9-12 apg and then he’s a all-star.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:42pm #165981
Michael.S.Participantis top 10. t-mac when healhy top 10
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:44pm #165983
Knicksboy34ParticipantT-Mac when Healthy IMO is not top 10. Top 20 yea.
I rather Have OJ Mayo then T-Mac.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:45pm #165984
llperezwhen healthy he is top 10, but problem is he supposed to miss the first 30 games next year as well. By thime he get’s healthy, you have to figure he will be rusty. Perimeter guys are slowly passing him while he sits. But he is a phenomanl talent when healthy, no question top 10.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:50pm #165989
Knicksboy34Participantok, When I made these Top 10, not only IMO are these the Current best players in the L, these are the 10 guys i probably build my team around.
I would not build a team around T-mac. He could play very well when healthy but i wouldn’t
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:54pm #165991
j1232eParticipantis to high considering how is always seems to be injured.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:55pm #165992
llperezwell you never implied this is a list of who you would build around. That kinda changes things. I would’nt consider TMac top 10 either, but like the guy said, when healthy I would. But it’s debatable and we never know when we will see a healthy TMac again. TMac get’ a little too much hate imo.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:59pm #165993
Knicksboy34ParticipantI mean we could look it like this. I think T-mac is good, but he is on that list like Richard Jefferson- good players on bad teams.
Wade played 82 games last year on a underachieving team and dominated the L. He is IMO the number 2 guy in the L because we know he could win a ring.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 5:03pm #165996
Knicksboy34ParticipantRose is too early in his career to say top 10. Hes not better than Rondo.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 5:03pm #165994
j1232eParticipant1 kobe
2 lebron
3 dwight
4 carmello
5 paul
6 williams
7 Roy
8 Rose
9 Garnett
10 pierce/wade
D wil should be an allstar. were is tony parker or jason kidd Realllllly!0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 5:17pm #166008
llperezI would take rose over Rondo right now. I think Rondo is a little overrated, I don’t think rondo is top 5 pg right now. I fully expect Rose to be in the conversation with Paul and DWill maybe as soon as next year. One of the reason’s Rondo puts up numbers is because teams don’t try to gaurd him until he’s 5 feet from the hoop. He’s just benefitted from playing with 3 hall of famers.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 5:20pm #166011
Knicksboy34ParticipantI dunno. I think Right now you have to give him some love. He is a top 5 PG. He averaged a trip-doub in a playoff series man. I think Rose is right behind him at 6. Rose is a stud no doubt.
I think I would take Rose over Rondo but most people (including me) would say Rondo is better.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 6:43pm #166063
twotrill25Participant1.Lebron James
2.Kobe Bryant
3.Dwyane Wade
4.Chris Paul
5.Dwight Howard
6.Dirk Nowitzki
7.Tim Duncan
8.Kevin Garnett
9.Deron Williams
10.Brandon Roy0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 6:56pm #166073
WälseParticipantwhy is this in the NBA Draft section? follow instructions…that said, LBJ is the best player in the NBA. titles are not what determines who the best player or players are. championships are won by teams. putting LBJ at #3 is appalling.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 7:07pm #166084
j1232eParticipantto be numa 1 right now fresh off of a finals mvp and crowned the champion
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 7:12pm #166090
kotyParticipanti dont understand how u but Kevin Durant, a player on arguably the worst team in basketball, over Tim Duncan, Brandon Roy, Dirk, Chris Bosh, Pau Gasol (extremely underrated), Deron Williams, KG, and Paul Pierce. Here’s my top ten:
1- Kobe: I love LeBron, but Kobe deserves it
2- LeBron: Will be number one next year and for the next ten years
3- D-Wade: Great player, the games i saw him play this year, he was phenomenal
4- Dwight Howard: Best big in the league and it appears to me that he is no longer a defensive player only who can only dunk, but now he is developing a little running hookshot
5- KG: Injuries are killing him, but he still is a dominant force
6- Chris Paul: Did not have the season i expected
7-Dirk Nowitzki: Can’t argue with his production (25.9 ppg, 8.4 rpg, and 2.4 apg)
8- Chris Bosh: Still developing, but is very talented scorer who averages 10+ rpg, despite his skinny stature
9- Paul Pierce: Did everything for the Celtics this year, proving he is worthy of being a top ten player by his playoff performance
10- Pau Gasol: Should be rated higher, but not 100% familiar with his game. His playoff performance, however, was great0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 7:15pm #166096
mikeyvthedonParticipantBeen a while since I made mine, started at the beginning of the year with positional. Here is a top 15:
1. Kobe Bryant
2. LeBron James (Who is very close to 1)
3. Dwyane Wade (who is far ahead of whoevers next)
4) Kevin Garnett
5) Chris Paul
6) Dwight Howard
7) Tim Duncan
8) Dirk Nowitzki
9) Paul Pierce
10) Amare Stoudemire
11) Yao Ming
12) Carmelo Anthony
13) Deron Williams
14) Tony Parker
15) Brandon Roy (who consistently gets destroyed by the two players above him, and yes, he does have some responsibility for it happening)The next few: Chris Bosh, Joe Johnson, Baron Davis, Chauncey Billups, Caron Butler, Pau Gasol and Kevin Durant. Even though they were struck with injuries, Tracy McGrady, Elton Brand, Manu Ginobili, Gilbert Arenas and Carlos Boozer are up there as well. I hopefully will make a new list of top 100 and post it soon.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 7:23pm #166104
pintar23ParticipantI like kotys list.not a huge celtics fan cause they knocked off my bulls but like that paul pierce is in there. just a few more guys you could think about throwing in.
Chauncey Billups- doesnt do it with the stats but his leadership and his intelligence
Ray Allen- definately an honorable mention but is the games best shooter
Tony Parker- i think is very under rated and kind of lives in the shadow of paul and deron williams
Danny Granger- Love his game he is my favorite young player in the game. but just an honorable mention for now0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 7:23pm #166107
WälseParticipanti have a feeling that if LBJ had won the championship, he would be #1 in most of your eyes. do you see the problem with this? the determination should not come so easily as “if Kobe wins, he’s #1. if LBJ wins, he’s #1” we have an entire season to draw from. huge bodies of work, yet we use 2 weeks of basketball and make our decisions. LBJ outplayed Kobe all year long, including the playoffs. Kobe wins the title, with a better team i would think, and that makes him better than LBJ? basically what you’re saying is, if Lebron had a better team, you would consider him a better player. personally, i dont think its right…
0- Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 7:28pm #166116
pintar23Participantthink of it this way. if Lebron had Pau on his team and Kobe had Ilguaskas then how would you guys rate them? Lebron would probably have a ring on his finger. And whats preventing everyone to having Lebron at one is he hasnt won anything yet. MJ didnt win anything his first 7 years? maybe 6? So Lebron just needs a sidekick like Kobe has had and like MJ has had. Mo williams isnt that sidekick
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- Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 7:27pm #166113
kotyParticipantpintar, i also like parker and billups, but it is so hard to make a list of top ten players; after the top four or five, the rest of the ten could b anyone based on personal opinion.
0- Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 7:30pm #166118
pintar23Participantkoty i agree i was just throwing some more names out there. danny granger hadn’t been getting any love and i wanted to get his name out there
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- Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 7:31pm #166119
kotyParticipantyeh, in two or three years, i think he will definitely b there, especially if the pacers start making the playoffs again
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 7:34pm #166122
llperezI never said that Kobe winning a title single handidly put Kobe ahead of LeBron becasue I felt that way already before the playoffs. But you have to admit that winning a title does have a small part in the equation when it is so close between two great players.
As far as LeBron outplaying Kobe this year, I do think LeBron deserved the MVP. But a lot of that was because LeBron played more and had to force his impact more. Kobe seemed to coast a little and only pick it up when he needed to, such as the Playoffs. LeBron was outplayed by Kobe both times they played this year. And I love how everyone says LeBron outplayed Kobe against the Knicks when Kobe had 61 and LeBron had the 50-10-9, but they don’t point out that Kobe played 8 fewer miutes. I expect LeBron to surpass Kobe in the next 2-3 years, while I’m sure a lot of people already believe he has.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 7:37pm #166125
rose2dabullzParticipant1.LeBron
2.Kobe
3.D-Wade
4.CP3
5.KG
6.Dirk
7.Dwight Howard
8.Melo
9.Duncan
10.Brandon Roy0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 7:43pm #166136
WälseParticipantfrom what i remember Kobe and Lebron both played like shit head to head, but the Lakers won…LBJ even played better against the Magic than Kobe…LBJ hit more clutch shots in these playoffs. had bigger numbers across the board. the edge Kobe has is the all important ring, which the LAKERS won. the whole team. Ariza, Fischer, Gasol, & Odom played huge roles in that. how that series makes Kobe a better player than Lebron is beyond my comprehension. if LBJ had average 45-15-12 and lost would he still be #2 because Kobe got the ring. thats what it seems like because the CAVS loss was in no way the fault of Lebron, yet he’s being penalized somehow.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 7:44pm #166137
leppyParticipantthe real top 10. does anybody on this site value defense? these are the top 10 players right now. not what they have done in the past.
1. lebron james- 35 pts 9 reb 7 ass in the playoffs. all-defensive team. mvp. cant wait for him to leave cleveland and get help.
2. kobe bryant- he got the ring this year. one year removed from the mvp. clutch. leader. all-defensive team.
3. dwayne wade- he put up better numbers than kobe but he had to. his team isn’t as good.
4. dwight howard- the best big man, the best defensive player. if his offensive game gets better he could compete with lebron at the top spot. just isnt as polished as everybody above him.
5. dirk nowitski- one of the most impossible to guard players in the league. mismatch no matter who is guarding him. all-nba team. the experts say he is top 5 how can you argue against it.
6. chris paul- shoots 50% for a pg. 22 and 11. all-defensive team. makes people around him look better than they are.
7. tim duncan- leader. fundamentals. 2nd team all-defense. 20 and 10. knows how to play the game.
8. brandon roy- 22 5 and 5. rising star. hit big shots in playoffs. he still needs experience.
9. yao ming- shoots amazing percentages. doesnt take over enough. can he stay healthy? 20 and 10
10. paul pierce- year removed from finals mvp. looks like he lost a step but still knows how to play the game. clutch. leader.
top 10 by the end of next seasson
1. lebron james
2. kobe bryant
3. dwayne wade
4. dwight howard
5. chris paul
6. dirk nowitski (contract year)
7. brandon roy
8. tim duncan
9. pau gasol
10. carmelo anthonygasol is in his prime. he had a great playoffs. carmelo is getting better. yao ming will get hurt again. pierce is getting too old. garnetts knee is too shaky or he would be up here.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 7:49pm #166146
rose2dabullzParticipantKevin Durant may be in it..All I know is based on stats he’s in, but to me he is not a top ten player until he makes the playoffs
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 7:53pm #166150
llperezKobe was subpar head to head, but was sick one game and I believe dislocated his finger in the other(could be wrong about that one), but LeBron was absolute garbage both games. Yes he played great in the Playoffs, but he was far from perfect. If you want to just make this an argument about stats, then LBJ wins. But there is so much more to winning that Kobe does a little better then LeBron does.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 7:57pm #166155
WälseParticipantsuch as?…having Gasol and Odom? having Phil? making funny faces? lol
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 7:58pm #166158
rose2dabullzParticipantJust wondering? LeBron is stuck with the biggest idiot, lame duck head coach who can thank LeBron for that coach of the year award, while the Lakers have Phil freakin Jackson..Oh and also probably one of the worst frontcourts in the league, while the Lakers probably have the best..
To me Cavs team without LeBron=Worst record in league
Lakers without Kobe=Probably not a playoff team, but definitely not the worst0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:04pm #166160
WälseParticipanti would say that of the final 4 teams, LBJ definitely had the worst supporting cast. Melo has some very good players around him. Howard has studs in Lewis and Turkoglu & Kobe of course has a great team. would anyone, besides Tuck243, disagree? i really think only Mo Williams could even start on any of the other teams.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:04pm #166161
llperezwell he plays better defense imo if you count out the highlight blocks from behind. He shoots better from the perimeter. He hits his ft’s, and he has more weapons in his arsenal late in games. LeBron does’nt trust his outside shot late in games so he tries to fullback his way to the lane. Kobe has a better post up game. The only thing LBJ has over Kobe is that he is biiger, faster, and stronger. Kobe’s skills are still ahead of LBJ’s. If Kobe played in a offense where he just got to go iso for 48 miutes and had no else who could create a shot, I’m sure he would put far better numbers too. Remember when he had to carry guys like Smush, Kwame, and Walton to the playoffs?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:05pm #166163
rose2dabullzParticipantThe best player LeBron has ever played with is Mo Williams..I mean come on now..I seriously think if that was Ben Gordon there instead of Mo the Cavs may of won it all..he would have knocked down those open threes Mo bricked on
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:06pm #166165
rose2dabullzParticipantHow far did Kobe take those guys?(don’t forget Odom also)
I’m pretty sure he never went to the finals with them..0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:09pm #166168
j1232eParticipantseason mvp.
Kobe finals mvp.
I think kobe is an ovrerall mvp.0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:11pm #166169
rose2dabullzParticipantKobe=season MVP
Paul Pierce=finals MVP
Paul Pierce is the overall MVP from last year0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:11pm #166170
llperezwho would carry them to the Finals? he got them to the playoffs two years in a row and pushed the Suns to 7 games once. The west was far stronger then the east those years, and he may have gotten farther if he had played in the east.
Besides my point was’nt about how far he took them, but rather how he put up better stats, which is the biggest thing LBJ supporters have to hang their hats on. Kobe single handidly outscored the Mavs through 3 quarters one game before sitting out the 4th(Mavs 61- Kobe 62), he dropped 81, he had 10 50 point games in a season, he avereged 40 ppg for an entire month all while playing first team defense. Yet he still only finished 4th in mnvp voting because he only won 45 games with Smush and Kwame and Walton starting next to Odom.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:13pm #166172
WälseParticipantLBJ is better on d…i’m sure you’ve seen the defensive shares on 82games.com. perhaps you put no stock in those, which is your perogative. he can legitimately guard 4 positions while Kobe gets bullied by big 3s. i think i saw Kobe shoot 5-10 including a few 4th quarter misses from the line in a game this series. the only thing in his arsenal late in games is a variety of 20 foot jumpers. thats why he shot like crap so often in these finals. if his jumper wasnt workin he might as well be a decoy. he isnt even close to LBJ when it comes to finishing at the rim. LBJ is a better passer, rebounder, shot blocker, & creates more steals in addition to his improved D. the numbers say he’s a better player in the clutch as well. you can say stats arent everything, but they also dont lie.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:14pm #166173
rose2dabullzParticipantThe game in the finals when Kobe “fullbacked” into the lane for the game winner and got blocked from behind by Turkey..while every single one of his teammates was standing around the arc wide open?..Another thing, LeBron always gets criticized when he passes it to his open teammates at the end of games too
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:16pm #166175
rose2dabullzParticipantAnd I thought Kobe was better than LeBron every year until this one..I just think today, even though he didn’t win it all, LeBron is the player I would rather have on my team
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:17pm #166176
j1232eParticipantdid pierce overtake kobe. pierce in my to ten was 10/11. do you read or just post garbage .
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:19pm #166178
rose2dabullzParticipantI was saying that by your logic, Paul Pierce was the MVP last year, not what I think haha he’s not even close to my top ten
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:19pm #166177
WälseParticipantfurthermore, Kobe fumbles 3 times in the playoffs at the end of games. once ripped by Kenyon (it was clean), stripped by Howard and Pietrus, and blocked by Turkoglu. he also had some clunkers against the Rockets. yet because he got that ring he’s getting credit for having a marvellous playoffs. “the closer’ didnt close anything in these playoffs. he played great in stretches though…
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:20pm #166180
j1232eParticipantTalking kobe-Lebron talk.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:21pm #166181
llpereznow you soud like John Hollinger. I heard that 82games.com also proves that statistically Hedo s.hits all over Jordan when it comes to being clutch. Steals and blocks are misleading becasue truely great defense is when you stay in front of your man. Guys can get steals just becasue they take risks. And like I said, a lot of stats had to do with LeBron being forced to do more. I’m pretty sure his rebounding would go down if he played with Gasol, Bynum, and Odom. Kobe did’nt shoot well overall in the finals, but he was fantastic overall with his impact on the series. How about LeBron missing ft’s, having 8 turnovers including like 5 in the 4th and OT, passing up a big shot to kick out to West, and playing subpar in game 6 with the season on the line.
Orlando was the third toughest team the Lakers played in the playoffs, and they had their way with the Cavs.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:21pm #166182
rose2dabullzParticipantI am just proving that your arguement for your reason you chose Kobe is flawed
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:24pm #166184
j1232eParticipantWould you rather have a proven superstar that has one 4 titles. or an up and commin superstar that has one NO titles as your mvp. OF THE LEAGUE!
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:25pm #166185
rose2dabullzParticipantDoesn’t even defend the other teams best wing player anymore, Ariza does..Like I said, I’m not a stat guy, but as of this year and today, give me LBJ..and another thing, Mike Brown never gave LeBron the chance to shutdown Turkey or Rashard, the idiot put him as the roamer on defense always..If I was coaching the Cavs, I would of played mostly with LeBron at the four in that series
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:28pm #166187
rose2dabullzParticipantBecause he is better, duh?!
And we will see after next year if he is still championshipless after the cavs make a blockbuster trade, hoping to keep LeBron in Clevland, and out of New York0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:32pm #166191
Yankeep12Participantwhat about steve nash?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:48pm #166192
WälseParticipantyes…but the defensive shares are about limiting the oppositions offensive output. besides all that safety Kobe plays, you would think he’d get more steals. Lebron gets more steals and blocks more because he’s a better athlete than because he gambles. you’re getting him confused with D-Wade. Kobe hasnt always played with Gasol, Bynum, and Odom, yet his rebounding numbers have never been on par with Lebrons. again his biggerness, strongerness, fasterness, is the reason for that. lol…he did come up small in game 6 and he will miss big FT’s sometimes, but Kobe had issues with everything you mentioned in addition to his fumbleitis and poor shooting %. plus, had West hit the shot we would have never thought twice. in any case, you can favor Kobe if you like, but how on earth can you excuse a guy who puts LBJ behind both Kobe and D-Wade?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:56pm #166204
j1232eParticipantkobe i season mvp lebron i season mvp.
kobe 4 titles i finals mvp. lebron o titles.
I know kobe played with shaq to get his first 3. Lebron needs to win a title to be considered great.
Karl Malone]
John Stockton
Charles bakley
and so on and so on. To make yourself a dominate player is to win the finals.0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 9:54pm #166218
NYK2010Participant1 LeBron
2 Kobe
3 Wade
4 Paul
5 Howard
6 Dirk
7 Carmello
8 Roy
9 Garnett
10 Deron WilliamsBest of the rest
Pierce, Gasol, Duncan, Yao Ming, Durant, ParkerGuys who shouldn’t be in your Top 10
Derrick Rose, Rondo, Amare Stoudemire, Kidd, Tmac, Shaq0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/17/2009 - 2:04am #166253
mikeyvthedonParticipantAlphamale, it is totally right to say Kobe is better because he won the championship. Yes he has a better team, but most of these rankings are based on the situation the players are in. I still think that while LeBron totally deserved to win MVP, and played his ass off in the play-offs, that Kobe for the time being is still the best player in the world. The best way LeBron could have proven he was better was indeed by winning the championship. I mean, the Cavs finished with the best record in the league, but they lost to the Lakers both times and came up short in the play-offs. While them coming up short was by no means LeBron’s fault, I still felt like his not being able to show what he could do against Kobe in the finals meant it would be extremely difficult for me to rank him ahead of Kobe. Kobe is a better overall defender than LeBron, even with LeBron’s improvement, and while LeBron is the best finisher in the league, Kobe still has a skill set on offense envied by every single player. Kobe makes shots where even LeBron is like, “how can I do that?” I am guessing by next year, LeBron might be 1 without winning a championship, but for now, I am happy to put Kobe in as the best basketball player in the league for the last 5 years.
Leppy, you ask about valuing defense and you put Brandon Roy in as the #8 player? Nowitzki #5 too? I mean, the experts say it, how can you argue? I mean, if you argue that no one hear values defense, and you argue Dirk #5 because of these “experts”, when Dirk plays extremely sub par defense, compared to some of the players he is ranked ahead of, aren’t you just shooting yourself in the foot? While I also think Brandon Roy is a fantastic player, with an amazing offensive skill set, defense he plays not. Yes, I said it, Brandon Roy is still very much a sub par defender who was a part of Portland being a terrible perimeter defense this year. So, before saying people on this site do not value defense, and thinking just because Dwight Howard blocks shots and is touted by everyone as the greatest defensive force since Bill Russell (not even close by the way, still has a lot to work on at that end of the floor, though he did improve tremendously) and you rank him #4 that you are taking defense into account, think again man. Kevin Garnett is the best defensive big in the league with Tim Duncan, and you don’t even have him ranked. While I understand that Paul Pierce leads the Celtics in scoring, won Finals MVP and is a tremendous player who I rank similarly in my top 10, he is not a better player than Kevin Garnett. If you really valued defense, than you might acknowledge that.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/17/2009 - 3:38am #166260
Knicksboy34Participantwhat happ? what is the arguement?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/17/2009 - 4:06am #166265
dukeballa8711ParticipantI think Lebron James is #1
Also where’s the love for big Al i mean he had some big games for the sucky twolves
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/17/2009 - 4:11am #166267
Knicksboy34ParticipantI disagree about LeBron #1 because of a couple things we could discuss if you want
Al Jefferson is good but he plays on a bad team and usually he does not get the Pub. I’ll do some research on him and see. I know he’s good but not top 10 good
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/17/2009 - 8:41am #166426
BosteritoParticipantj1232e your Top 10 sucked. If Wade is not in the top 4, it sucks. But number 10/11? Youre on weed.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/17/2009 - 8:46am #166432
Knicksboy34Participantwhats your top 10 then man?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/17/2009 - 8:59am #166441
BosteritoParticipant1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. D-Wade
4. DH12
5. CP3
6. Dirk
7. Melo
8. D. Williams
9. Duncan
10. Roy0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/17/2009 - 9:03am #166449
Stanford hoopsParticipantwhat is the top 10 based on?..stats cuz if so u have to put dirk and prob al and danny granger up there
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/17/2009 - 9:16am #166467
Knicksboy34ParticipantMine?
And no, Granger had one good season….lets not get all crazy.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/17/2009 - 9:21am #166474
Stanford hoopsParticipantin that case if its not on stats then whats it based on because durant has only been in the nba for 2 years so that would be 2 good seasons for him ….wait actually when i think about it granger averaged 20 last year also so whats the one good season comment about.?..did you not watch him last year?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/17/2009 - 9:30am #166482
Knicksboy34Participantno i did not honestly. All i mean is Durant exploded on the scene. Granger learned for a couple seasons to learn.
Who do u think is better? Granger or Durant?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/17/2009 - 9:38am #166494
Stanford hoopsParticipantoh dont get me wrong ill take durant every day of the week but i was wondering what the rankings are based off of..since they both averaged similar numbers( damn near identical this year and last year)
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/17/2009 - 9:41am #166499
Knicksboy34Participantoh based it on 2 things
A-top 10 IMO
B-who i would start a team with IMO
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/17/2009 - 12:37pm #166743
WälseParticipanti’m sure at some point in your life you’ve been on a team where you were the best player on the court, while your other 4 teammates were not very talented, matched up against a team with 5 good players. your team probably lost. does that make you any less of a ball player? there was only so much you could do right? you cant guard all 5 guys…you cant play all 5 positions…is the best player on the other team somehow better than you because they beat you?
against the Magic, Kobe averaged 32.4 ppg, 5.6 reb, 7.4 ast, shooting 43%, on 27 shots a game. also against the Magic, Lebron averaged 38.5 ppg, 8.3 rebs, and 8 ast, shooting 49% on less than 26 shots per game. yet, because Kobe’s TEAM won the series, you regard him as a better player. its illogical and unfair.
i’ll say it again: was not Jordan the best player in the league long before he won his first title at 29? i’ll speak for all of the great players who never got a chance to hoist the trophy. you do not need to have a championship to be great. championships are won by teams and are more a product of team circumstance than individual greatness.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 12:01am #167143
Deeds1. Kobe Bryant
2. LeBron James
3. Dwayne Wade
4. Dwight Howard
5. Chris Paul
6. Tim Duncan
7. Brandon Roy
8. Dirk Nowitzki
9. Carmelo Anthony
10. Yao Ming0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 3:01am #167164
Knicksboy34ParticipantI cannot see Yao in the top 10
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 4:32am #167196
rapidcif1. Allen Iverson
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Lebron James
3. Luis Scola
4. Maurice “17 or nothing” Ager
5. Derrick Rose
6. Ronson”mooned” Tyrell
7. Hally Smith
8. Jamario mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
9. Brandon Roy anybody?
10. Tim “the big fundamental” duncannnnnn0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 4:32am #167197
Knicksboy34ParticipantIm gonna pretend i did not see that dumb list
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 8:29am #167342
ckowalskiParticipanti couldnt put a guy in my top ten that gets stuffed by nate robinson and then fakes an injury after.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 8:43am #167355
Knicksboy34Participantthank you
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 9:18am #167408
OldSkoolBasketballParticipantA ring does not make you a better player. You put Lebron in the same situation Kobe and Wades in he probably have a ring too. Also Durant is not top 10 material. Anyway my top ten are:
1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Wade
4. CP3
5. Dwight Howard
6. Tim Duncan
7. Kevin Garnett
8. Brandon Roy
9. Deron Williams
10. Dirk Nowitski0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 9:24am #167418
Knicksboy34Participantyea but what makes Roy better than Durant
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 9:35am #167439
OldSkoolBasketballParticipantI don’t watch many games of Durant but from what I read all he is a longer and more athletic player version of TMAC. He can score and probably will lead the league in scoring some day but he doesn’t know how to share the ball and he turns the ball over a lot. For a guy that doesn’t pass much and still have a lot of turnovers isn’t good. Plus if Durant is having a bad scoring game he pretty much useless since he isn’t much of a defensive player.
Roy on the other hand can score from anywhere on the court and can drive to the hoop effectively. He knows when to pass to his teammates and get his 22 points at the same time. Even if he struggles shooting he can still help his team with passing and such. He’s not a great defender and not that athletic thats the only thing he needs to work on (Defense).
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 9:41am #167450
ckowalskiParticipantdurant is very underrated defensively. he was at least an average defender in college. he doesnt need to be a great defender hes 6’10” and he has a ridiculous reach. trying to shoot over him is like spot shooting over a center. plus when durant gets the ball who should he pass to? krstic?
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 9:43am #167453
OldSkoolBasketballParticipantOh yeah forgot to mention Durant isn’t very strong.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 12:19pm #167628
BosteritoParticipantHaha rapidcif you must be Moon fan… I like him because he is in Miami, but he is not even Top 50
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 4:55pm #167904
Stanford hoopsParticipantnaw durant is definatly not more athletic then tmac was..
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 5:32pm #167942
nthegoodlifeParticipantThis subject is an opinion, so we could argue all day. The fact is, ALPHA is the worlds biggest H8ER. He literally goes in all these threads and hates on Kobe. Whatever dude, have fun with it.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 6:23pm #167978
WälseParticipantlol…do i hate on Kobe, or do i support Lebron? it just depends on how you choose to look at it. i’m just trying to give yall the knowledge that you lack so that you can think more clearly. lol…. He who knows not, but knows not that he knows not, is a fool.
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