Ha ha ha.
Ok, Jordan Farmer
Artest wouldn't have charged the fan had he not threw a cup of water on him, nearly putting his eye out.
You forgot about Lakers/Celtics game on Christmas when Gasol scored on Garnett three straight plays in the final 1 1/2 min with the Lakers winning! You can't deny that one. And I'm not a Lakers fan.
Bynumn was about 70 percent
I give you they need more depth.
Dhamp....the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.
dude...Jordan Farmar sucks...he didnt get alot of PT last year because Phil didnt wanna play him.
Artest.....ok youre right but, he still is crazy.
Thats a christmas day game, What Happened in the Finals? Celtics smoked them
As a fan of every team except the lakers I think they probably have the best chance of winning because the only teams that can guard Kobe effectively are Houston and San Antonio. Battier and Bowen are the only 2 guys I have ever seen play Kobe one on one while other teams run double and triple teams on him (Besides Raja Bell but I think the Bobcats are irrelevant). Kobe is good enough to make a shot with 1, 2, or 12 hands in his face and I don't understand why more coaches don't realize this fact. Besides Gasol and Kobe that team is full of role players who are great at knocking down open shots, and teams continue to give Kobe's teammates open shots to make. Houston did well against Kobe because they either ran Battier or Artest straight up on him and only collapsed if Kobe got into the lane. It has been shown over and over again that Kobe cannot carry his team throughout the whole playoffs to a championship by himself. Not a knock on Kobe at all, no player can win without help. But teams continue to allow the role players to beat them which is a cardinal sin.
Let Kobe take his 30 shots a game, and even if he drops 33 points on you that is still efficient defense. But stop putting 2 players on a shooter. Phil, Gasol, Bynum, the other team, and every fan in Staples Center knows Kobe is looking to shoot when he gets the ball. It doesn't make sense to double team him when A) he can shoot over you and make it or B) he's going to pass to his open teammate. He's not stupid but teams constantly treat him like it. Even in the Finals when Orlando put Pietrus on Kobe to play him he was getting help. Nelson would come down off Fisher and he hit those 2 big shots in Game 4. Hedo and Pietrus would try to trap Kobe at the top of the key and he passed out. I remember the Lakers literally ran the same play 5 times in a row in game 5 where Ariza would screen Kobe's man, and every time Pietrus and Hedo would both step out on Kobe and he would pass to Ariza who of course was wide open. Then they did the same thing with Pau setting the screen but Howard never committed to the double team and it didn't work as well.
That being said back to the original point. With Houston they can still play good defense on the Lakers but I think Bynum could probably outscore their entire team at this point. San Antonio has the best chance in the west, especially if they can resign Bowen somehow, also I think the Mavs will be dangerous with Marion. In the East Boston probably has the best shot at getting out of it just because they play team ball so well. I can't count out the Cavs but I'm not sure they got any better than last year, even with Shaq. Plus, if they get to the finals against the Lakers James will probably have to guard Kobe and Ron will guard James, and I'm not sure how much energy James will have since he will have to be at the top of his game on offense and defense. Also, if Kobe goes to the bench I don't see a situation where the Lakers have to worry about getting killed, but if James sits I can only image how many points they will be down when he gets back in. Also, in the West I can't ever count out a team with Chauncey but again, I'm not sure who's going to guard Kobe. Denver might be better off leaving Kobe open the whole game and trying to outscore LA. :) jokes
of course they beat the lakers..they had a healthier team..same as when boston had a injured kg and didnt make it past the second round..we shall see if ag has caught up wit them on there path to the championship thi syear...lakers will be waiting if fully healthy
this is the same bench that last year the basketball expects who ya'll follow when they say someone will be very good or a number one draft pick said lakers have one of the best benches in the leauge.but ill settle it another way by looking at the numbers through out the leauge and see whos bench produces the most as well and shuts down the opposing teams benches..so we shall see what the facts say which will finish the arguement
Yea, dont count out San Antonio and Dallas. I think they can challenge the Lakers and the Spurs can beat the Lakers. Cleveland is the only team i can see beat the Celtics.
yea i dont see the spurs beating the lakers....too much stock into richard jefferson and ginobli stays injuried so i wouldnt count on him too much like ya'll say about bynum...so far lakers bench lead leauge in ast 3rd in stela..dalls first in pts...lakers 4th in plus minus they were plus 449..seems that utah has the best overall bench though which i forgot how good there bench actually is....cleveland has to learn to beat the magic first
oi pretty much ignore the absolutes guys..the ones that say..well kobe WONT do this or the lakers WILL ..or theres no way they can beat boston because boston beat them 2 years ago..wheather it benifits or not im not much for absolutes since no one can tell the future..i will reply to disscussions if someone just doesnt thin this or that will happen
Knickboys34 the Celtics did beat L.A. but Bynum was hurt. You made some good arguments though.
I can see the Spurs beat the Lakers if Healthy. If your gonna say Manu gets hurt, you gotta say the same for Bynum
Parker, Manu, Jefferson, McDyess, Duncan, Blair, McClinton, Mason - thats a good team. I think they could take out the lakers
Dallas could push the Lakers like Houston did last year.
I think Cleveland will be improved. Parker is a good wing who ( like most players around LBJ) can get more open shots. I can see him average 16ppg and like 6rpg.
gators define quality depth..just because a player doesnt score a bunch of points doesnt mean they arent a quality bench..each player provides something which makes them a better bench unit..big baby wasnt incredible during the year..house SHOT well ..theres a difference between benchs that play well toeher and one or 2 plays that just do one thing...as individuals walton isnt that good but with the bench group he is a very effictive player and thats all it comes down too with the lakers..a bench that doesnt hurt you too much when they are out there or that helps you....also dont forget the lakers are the defending champions now...the title runs through them and untill someone else wins it they are the champs...no opnion or hating will change that
True..title goes through LA.
I define quality depth by simply talent. Depth is important but a teams' starters are obviously more important.
I just think Spurs, Celtics, & Cavs have overall better talent on the bench.
Tony Parker George Hill
SG Roger Mason Manu Ginobili
SF Michael Finley Bruce Bowen
PF Tim Duncan Kurt Thomas
C Matt Bonner Fabricio Oberto
starters and back ups..ginobli still isnt healed..bowen wasn that good this year and is gone..they still havent brought back oberto even though the bucks released him (unless they recently picked him up..im not sure if kurt thomas is still there or not..finley will be on the bench now and hes dropped way off....the thing that hurts there bench the most is the fact they will have to play alot more then average against the lakers..duncan has to check bynum oddom and gasol if any one has watched past match up jefferson has some issues with artest..spurs do have good weapons but the lakers out weight there weapons overall...now imma check out the cavs...im guessing the mismatches will be even more evident
you forgot jefferson on the spurs. he takes finley's place. and mcdyess. oberto, bowen and thomas are gone
Mo Williams Daniel Gibson
SG Delonte West Wally Szczerbiak
SF LeBron James Tarence Kinsey
PF Anderson Varejao Joe Smith
C Zydrunas Ilgauskas Ben Wallace
gibson has turned into sasha..wally is a non factorkinsely????..should i even say anything..joe smith is decent and illgauskas is pretty decent also..cleveland would need both pf to contain gasol..odom is better then both starters and back up at pf..(healthy bynum is better then now illgauskas) walton isnt the best but hes much better then kinsey..the sg position is probably more even with wally and sasha ...farmer and brown out plays gibson pretty easily..he was gibson was a one trick poney like sasha but that trick didnt work last year........actually celevlands bench is worst then i though if it wasnt for them getting shaq ..now let me check out bostons
no i talked about finley as the back up because jefferson will be starting..i mentioned it
These are the updated rosters Josh...u were leaving out people
PG- Parker/Hill/De Colo
not to mention Big Baby & Grant Hill are still possibilities
Rajon Rondo Stephon Marbury
SG Ray Allen Eddie House
SF Paul Pierce Bill Walker
PF Glen Davis Leon Powe
C Kendrick Perkins Mikki Moore
ok now that steph is gone that leaves gabe..some one said they would take him but he hasnt shown that he is much of a player yet..you can say well he will do this and that in the future but u can say that about others and this is the present farmer and brown have shown that they are better...house does have the edge becaus eeven though he doesnt do much else but shoot he is a good shooter..and since sasha lost his trick also eddie takes this..if sasha finds his stroke then it changes since even though they both would be just shooters..sasha is a 6'7 shooter...personally i like bill walker..always have but this is the case of the present right now and he just isnt ready and doesnt have the experience yet ( never underestimate experience) and as of now walton has him..the pf i give to the lakers because even though big baby showed he can be pretty good with his play offs showing he is not better than lamar odom.....actually i might even it out a lil if leon comes back healthy....a healthy bynum is better then mikki moore and kendrick perkins.....now all this is with the belief that rasheed wallace and kg will be starting which seems to be the case....the thing thats evendent in each benchs is the unprovenness of some of the bench players..while some of the lakers bench players arent the best they all are proven players at least and the fact that the starting line up for the lakers are so good top to bottom that puts extra pressure on the other teams benchs when the starters are tired and the team is down....the only real bench i worry bout is utahs with kover millsap and ak47 if they keep all there players.. also all this is predicated on odom staying which i hope he will..pretty good signs so far with owner ship willing to go more into tax territory unless another team over pays for him......on another subject espn was just talking about how the cap will lower alot next year which makes it even harder for the knicks to sign lebron and another super star....on a good note wade is considering new york...but none of the new york fans should make a big deal since even though lebron is reported telling people he's leaning toward cleveland
Looks like Josh were leaving out people on purpose...lol
Pruitt > Farmar
Giddens > Brown
Walker > Walton
Rasheed > Odom
Throw in Tony Allen, House, & Hudson and the Celtics clearly have the better bench. Plus if Hill &or Big Baby signs it isn't even close.
Gibson = Farmar
West > Brown
Wally/Kinsey < Walton
Big Z < Odom
The Cavs still have Danny Green he should be good even as a rookie & Hickson/Jackson who are improving. Overall it is pretty even bench wise between Cavs & Lakers.
Hill > Farmar
Mason > Brown
Finley < Walton
Bonner < Odom
Add in the three rookies who should all make an impact for the Spurs and I have to give a slight edge to San Antonios bench.
This is just my hones opinion.
Lakers will be hard to beat because their starting 5 is top notch. I just don't think it will be near as easy as last year to win it all.
on another subject espn was just talking about how the cap will lower alot next year which makes it even harder for the knicks to sign lebron and another super star....on a good note wade is considering new york...but none of the new york fans should make a big deal since even though lebron is reported telling people he's leaning toward cleveland
I mention that in my Salary Cap post....If the cap goes down, the players base salary goes down. I saw it on Espn....Billy King was talking about it.
A player can only have 25% of the cap ( 30 % under LB rules) NY and NJ will have a good amount of cap space to add players
josh none of the rosters you put out were right. You forgot at least one player everytime Jefferson for SA, Parker for Cle and Rasheed for Bos are the big ones. Plus Artest didn't get water thrown at him it was beer, I would have punched the guy too.
i didnt leave out anyone on purpose...ask before ASSuming..i did forget about allen ..how can you put pruitt over farmer when pruitt hasnt proven anything yet?....you cant base it on what you think someone will do because any one can say a rookie is gonna come in and be a allstar...and giddens over brown???..really..what has giddens prov en so far gator?how is rasheed over odom if hes gonna be starting?...gibson and farmar equal??..did you watch gibson this year...please show me proff of giddens pruitt and walker showing they are better..hudson hasnt played a nba game but you already putting him over quality nba players????( hes not blake or some of the other lotto picks)..danny green over a solid nba player right now???..really you keep naming players that havent shown they can do much if anything in the nba yet...thats youre arguement??.....hill over farmer..so hes produced more the farmar already?...ok i do understand this is youre opnion but you do know its just based on what you HOPE players will do right
so parker is gonna come off the bench?...jefferson off the bench?..rasheed i put him as a starter...you do know we are talking about benches right yup yup and knicks?
bill walker- PPG APG 3P%
3 0 .4 .000
PPG APG 3P%
0.7 0 .000
PPG APG SPG
2 0.8 0.3
so you honestly think these guys who played more games in the d leauge then in the nba are better right now then the players you said...im just not buying that at all..its not even close.
The Lakers are good but I dont think there the team to beat. Sure they won the title but I think
In the West:
Dallas, San Antonio, Portland and Utah can test them. San Antonio can beat them in a 7- game series.
In the East:
Cleveland and Boston can Challenge them. Boston can beat them in a 7 game series...again.
La does not have good bench quality nor depth. Farmar did not get alot of burn down the strech. Brown had a ok season but he needs to show he can do it for 2 season. , Sasha, Morrison and Yue are question marks and Powell can only guard PF's. The only solid one is Odom.
SA has a better bench
Boston has a better bench ( even more better if they add another PF/C)
Cleveland have a pretty even bench with LA.
Hahahah Josh you idiot you named the starters too, but still forgot people. You don't even know what you are talking about.
i already agreed that me and all of my friends would have reacted the same....................gatorheels now that i think about it..one thing you said that i didnt agree with in the beginning i do agree with now is the gibson= to farmer
Josh- it isn't what I hope players will do. It is who has more talent. Pruitt, Giddens, & Walker haven't had to play much yet. All three of them have a lot of talent that certainly outweighs Farmar, Brown, & Walton.
When did I say I would put Hudson or Green over a quality NBA player? All I did was put them on the Bench.
George Hill is better than Farmar I'm sorry.
As far as I'm concerned the only thing Farmar has proved is that he is a scrub who will never be a full time legit starting PG. You mean to tell me Farmar & Brown & Walton have proved to be a quality bench?
I firmly believe Lakers are best team in NBA this coming season and I fully expect a repeat. No one can say where big free agents will land and how next couple of drafts will unfold. Best crop of free agents and history and a couple strong drafts will change balance, and no one knows where chips will land. Impossible to say, so guarantees are meaningless, unless you are Joe Namath.
Boston, San Antonio and others are poised to make a run this year. Can't even guarantee crown in 2010!
like I said they havnt showed it. They havnt gotten the time because they havnt proven they deserve it I don't do ifs. I'm a proof guy. It's pretty well known that themajority of the people knows the lakers are the team to beat. But y'all are welcome to you're opinions. Dallas and Cleveland. Now that's funny
The thing is the Lakers are the same team as last year IMO. Yeah Artest is a slight upgrade over Ariza but the team as whole has gotten older. I'm assuming they resign Odom too. Meanwhile you have to admit..Spurs, Celtics, Cavs, & Mavs have all gotten a lot better.
Well since you dont do ifs. Replace two of those three with Eddie House & Tony Allen then. Both those players have proved to be better than Farmar & Brown.
Ron Artest at this stage of his career is a lot better al-around than Ariza. I do agree that other teams such as Spurs, Cavs and Celtics have improved.
While Artest's skills I believe in, he has a history of doing goofy things, so nothing is for sure. I do believe he is so hungrry for a ring that he will be on good behavior for at least one year.
Makes me sick to think Bulls drafted Brand and Artest and have nothing to show for them : (
ok lets just says this : the Lakers won't be a dynasty.