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Dion Waiters

Just throwing this out there because I caught a lot of grief from you "know it alls" during the CBB season. Chad Ford currently has Dion #8 on his big board. He does MUCH more research and hands on scouting/ has more access than anybody on this site. Thank you all.


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You caught a lot of grief

Because you claimed that the player who is #2 on Chad Ford's big board would not get off the bench at your school. Funny you like where Dion is ranked, but have nothing to say about the "Paul Harris numbers" of Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. I think many people thought highly of Dion Waiters, but they did not really appreciate the homerism and ranting that you tended to display so very often. We get you like Syracuse, it is semi in your name. The thing I do not think any of us really saw was you saying where Dion was ranked, other than above pretty much everyone on Kentucky as you so vehemently tended to state.

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Just don't say I didn't tell

Just don't say I didn't tell you so. Also don't say I didn't tell you so when Fab goes top 20. Its hysterical how everyone on this site gets their mob mentality going then just ends up being flat out wrong lol good work doe

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Not a single one of you

Not a single one of you agreed with me that Dion was a top 10 pick or that Fab was a top 20 pick so please just stop if that is what you are saying. And I said MKG would not have started for us and he wouldn't have so take it for whatever its worth. At least 50-50 chance waiters has better NBA career.

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Waiters is a problem! No

Waiters is a problem! No doubt in my mind had he come back to Cuse for another year he would be a top 5 pick in the 2013 draft. I think predraft workouts will in fact put him in the top 10-15.

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@mikeyvthedon

Waaait dude said MKG wouldn't start for Cuse?! I'm a big time Cuse fan and it would be beyond stupid to think that. Basically saying Kris Joseph is better than MKG...FUUUUCK NO!

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Bring up posts of me saying Dion Waiters is not a good player

Plus, never remember going over rankings with you. At all. It is just funny that a guy gets ranked #8 and you "told us so". When did we ever debate where Dion was going in the draft? Plus, I am surprised you are not pissed off about Ford having Melo at #23. One thing I will say is, Ford moves that big board around all of the time. Not to mention, never remember you saying "Dion Waiters was a top 10 talent in this draft" and people having much issue with it. People had much more of an issue with your other rantings and ravings. Kentucky won. Point to Fab being out all you want. It still happened and you were going to great lengths saying that your team was better.

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Yeah like if kentucky had to

Yeah like if kentucky had to play tournament without Davis and they lost people wouldn't use it as an excuse ;-). The hypocrisy is crazy. And regardless of who was better between KrisJo and MKG if you think MKG would have started over him you are greatly devaluing Kris and you must not know Boeheim. His only chance would have been at the 4. Dion didn't even start doesn't mean he wasn't the best player on our team people on here are so ignorant sometimes then try to point it on me because they just follow the leader. Whatever man plenty of people on this site said that Waiters was good but not top 10 they said he wasn't even as good as Doron Lamb. And had Fab played in the tournament I'm sure he would have been higher than 23 as it is it is semi appropriate give or take.

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It all matters

It all matters where they get drafted on draft night , not where they are positioned on someones big board 5 weeks before the draft and a week before the lottery. You can pat yourself on the back once the actual draft happens. I wouldn't waste a top 20 pick on Fab Melo , 7'0 275lb guys who don't rebound nor have any offensive skill are not intriguing to me. Melo isn't even on Brendan Haywood's level , plus teams look at what happened at the end of this past season with Melo getting kicked off the team right before the tourney and they see a lazy , "me first" guy whose talent is not great enough to overcome those poor intangibles.

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Spacegrass if that is your

Spacegrass if that is your opinion on Melo then you clearly don't have a clue on the situation. Not only did he show athletic ability and ability to run the floor that few centers in the country showed, yet alone 7 footers, but he was second in the whole nation in block rate and flashed a jumper out to 18 feet. On top of this his own coach said that he worked as hard as he could both on and off the court everyday and he lost 40 pounds before last season. Sooo he's lazy because he is from Brazil and became the victim of a Syracuse whichhunt this season? Im sure Anthony Davis did sooooooo much more school work. Idiots I'm telling you. Roy Hibbert couldn't play a lick of offense in college and wasn't the defender Melo was and is an All Star C in the league do some research buddy boy

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you are getting negatives

you are getting negatives because you have cuse in your name and its obvious that you are bias. first of all MKG has a big time motor and in college he was a beast because of that.. he would've flourished at syracuse in that system. Now as far as MKG going pro I think he's overrated. He's still a good player but he won't be a superstar. I too like dion waiters. the guy can create his own shot and he's good at distributing the ball. I also agree that if Fab Melo played in the ncaa tournament his stock would've increased drastically.

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fab melo has potential but i

fab melo has potential but i can't see him being more than a brendan haywood type player

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I belived you all along, I

I belived you all along, I just didn't post it :)

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Waiters looks like an NBA

Waiters looks like an NBA player. He excells off the pick and roll and has a fairly consistent stroke. I don't know what he truly offers on D because Syracuse plays almost all zone. I would not say he is a top ten player in this draft class but he is pretty close. He could fit in perfectly with a James Harden type role on a team that could bring him off the bench as their third scorer.

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Anthony Davis

Anthony Davis stayed eligible , Fab Melo didn't and those are facts. Also 100 level courses in college are all the same for freshmen from a difficulty standpoint so again why did Melo not stay eligible? Before you go on with the Roy Hibbert comparison , I followed Roy Hibbert since he was in HS and he sucked , the young man is very intelligent and worked his ass off to get where he is. If Fab Melo has half the work ethic and skill Hibbert has I will be shocked. I don't need to do any research because I have seen Melo play a bunch and he just doesn't seem to me to be all that special other than being 7ft. Before you start calling people idiots , look at yourself and ask yourself this. Why am I claiming something is fact that hasn't happened yet? If you want to give an opinion do it and that is fine , but don't come up here acting like a butt hurt , jock sniffing Cuse fan calling people idiots because you don't like their opinions. If your boys get drafted on June 30th 10th or better for Waiters and 19th or better for Melo you can tell us all about how we are all wrong and you were right. If not you seem like a typical loud mouth message board snatch face that won't come here and take his medicine like a man. Prove me wrong jerky then someone might give a damn about what you think.

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yea you really didn't even

yea you really didn't even pick on waiters, you talked about the entire team. scoop, waiters joseph, melo. i was a doubter and ranked him below people like lamb, jeffrey taylor, will barton, jon jenkins.

his tourney play change my mind completely as he was cuse's offense in times of need, and excellent defender throughout. his ability to slide to the PT (specially defensively) in such a thin draft at PG makes him even more valuable. and like i've been saying he has beal's height and wingspan, together with rivers, and d. lamb to play the 2

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Yes......

So Fab is Davis, now? LOL. It sucks that Cuse had to play without its big man. But, Fab was not Anthony Davis. Besides being older and having more weight, he did not have the same court speed. Also, if you recall, Davis was much better at avoiding foul trouble. Plus, you said MKG wouldn't get PT. Not just that he would not start. I know Kris Joseph's value, but I think that Michael Kidd-Gilchrist would have had a nice role on ANY team in college basketball. Plus I doubt you would be pointing out his putting up Paul Harris numbers if he was playing for Paul Harris' school.

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Melo

Being a Syracuse fan I must admit I'm bias towards my team and believe in my guys. I believe the value Fab Melo had to Syracuse was almost as valuable as Anthony Davis value to Kentucky. Outside of Davis, Kentucky had a stack team full of players who could surely be capable of filling his void. A frontcourt of MKG, Darius Miller and Terrance Jones is pretty damn good already and Kentucky would of still been a forerunner in the tournament. They might not of won but would of went deep.

All I'm saying is Fab Melo was the only defensive presence we had on our team. Our frontcourt changed dramatically without him. He anchored the defense with his shot blocking and presence alone. In the end of the day I think Fab Melo deserves a whole lot more credit then he has been giving for his performance out there on the courts. Sometimes its not the numbers its the affect. Fab Melo can definetly be a top 25 pick, top 20 is stretching it but top 25 I can see it happening. As far as Dion Waiters, he has the talent to score in bunches and if only he stayed an extra year he would of unlocked that potential and went in the top 10 instead of just in the lottery.

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Waiters and Melo

I love Waiters and Melo just as much as the next Syracuse fan, but come on. In a draft loaded with forwards at the top in Davis, Robinson, Barnes, Drummond, etc. along with guards such as Beal, Lamb, Rivers, and maybe even Marshall, I find it hard to believe Waiters going top 10 and Melo going top 20.

I do think both could go higher than they are currently projected (20, 24). I think Waiters' game will translate better to the NBA than another year at Syracuse. The numbers may not be there right away, but he could be a starting shooting guard for a good number of teams right away, or a 6th man getting time at both PG/SG for a good team.

I'm surprised Melo is projected higher. Teams love true 7'0 centers, and Melo has proven he is dedicated by getting in shape. The only question mark really was his academics, but that won't be an issue at the next level. If we count Drummond and Zeller as PF's than the top Centers are Leonard and Melo. It's not a particularly deep draft, and if a team like Houston, Dallas, or Minnesota wanted to, they could grab him in the 14-18 range.

Even though fans want to see their players get picked high, going late first isn't too bad either. If Melo landed in Miami or OKC, and Waiters slipped to Chicago, they would get a lot of playing time early on for a contender (Waiters probably wouldn't slip that far, but Melo might.)

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Thing with Fab.......

I agree that Fab was a very valuable player for Cuse this year and made major strides after a pretty disappointing freshman season. Definitely believe there are issues behind Fab though which probably limit his stock. He definitely could be a first round pick, heck he could go top 20. The thing is, he is incredibly raw. Yes, we all saw him hit the occasional jumper, but we did not see much consistency in his offensive game.

Now, most people are probably saying "Well he is only a sophomore". That is true, but he is a 21 year old sophomore who is turning 22 in less than a month. Yep, he is born June 20, 1990. This makes him 5 months younger than Tyler Zeller and 3 years older than Andre Drummond (who as raw as he may be, averaged 14.7 and 10.3 in 28 minutes per game in the 3 games against Cuse. Fab averaged 8.6 and 6). Age is not everything, but it certainly is a question mark regarding his further potential development.

Yes, he has room for improvement. Still, how much time are you willing to invest? Will he keep the weight off? Is he not already slightly behind the curve of players at his age group? Fab is a big body and proved to be a solid defender this season, think he will more than likely be a first round pick. Still, he is not exactly the youngster you might expect being a sophomore who would be in the International birth cut off for this years draft.

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FAB

Fab's game is very raw and does need a lot of development and improvement to play on the next level, but I believe it can be done. If you just see the work ethic he put in to be where he is now, that says a lot already. Looking back at his freshmen year, it was disappointing, but look at the improvement and strides exibited in just one year. Improvement in the NBA to me seems like a better fit for Fab because that's all he will be focusing on. The guy is not worth a lottery pick I understand, but as a late first round pick falling in the 20-25 range I have to say he is worth every bit. Age does play a factor but with his size and defense alone, he can be a defensive presence in the middle already spelling minutes for a teams starting center. Look at a team like Miami in the late first round. Would Fab be a good pick for them? I'd like to say yes he would, just look at their center woes right now. All I'm saying is based on his improvement in a year he's not a gamble to invest in especially for a title contender who just needs depth.

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If Fab has a career like

If Fab has a career like Brendan Haywood he should be happy because someone will overpay him eventually because he is a legit 7 foot. However he is all but useless on offense outide of setting screens and rebounding and I feel like his D is overrated because he just got to park his butt in the paint all day and block shots and rebound. Let's see what happens when teams make him move his feet in the pick and roll. I don't think he will have much of an NBA career other then as a backup center simply because of his size.

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I would not want my team to

I would not want my team to draft Waiters at #23 that is how little I think of his game. The guy was said to be out of shape and then wanted to transfer last year. When do you ever hear of 6"3 combo guards being out of shape? I will pass on this guy anyday of the week.

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For AKOO

"A number of NBA scouts who I really respect have been telling me for more than a month that the real sleeper in this draft is Waiters. One GM went even further. 'There are really only two potential superstars in this draft. One is a sure thing -- freshman Anthony Davis. The other one is Waiters.'" - Chad Ford

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I cannot stand some of you

I cannot stand some of you people. I have people calling fab lazy and unathletic and I just can't take anything else they say serious. And Mikey listen Fab's block rate was nearly identical to Anthony Davis and he fouled out maybe once the whole season his impact for Syracuse was equal or greater than AD to UK so to discount his absense from the tournament is just wrong.

And also, all I am saying is that not one of you can tell me that Fab's grades were worse than anybody's in the country. So Fab was the only ineligible player? Anthony Davis and Terrence Jones really did more work? Its a joke and anybody who cant understand that SU was forced to do it because they were under a microscope all season is just dim witted. Its like I'm talking with people who don't even know the game or common sense 75% of the time.

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You need to get of Syracuse's

You need to get of Syracuse's d*ck. Just because Waiters and Fab went to Cuse you love them as prospects, but if they went to another school you probably wouldn't know who they were.

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Where did I discount Fab's presence?

All I said is, he is not Anthony Davis. Davis played. Fab didn't. I said it sucked. What else can I do besides throwing praise at how great Cuse was and what a shame it was that they did not win a championship due to their greatness? Things happen, it sucks. Kendall Marshall got hurt and I had UNC winning the championship. Did I whine and cry about them not doing so without Marshall?

They could have won, they didn't. We will never know. We do know that Kentucky won, though. I have no idea what Fab's academic situation included, I think the NCAA tends to make really crazy, sometimes stupid decisions. I think it would have been awesome if Fab had played. He didn't. I know he was valuable, but again I think Anthony Davis was just flat out better.

Fab may not have fouled out a bunch, but foul trouble can limit your minutes. It can limit your effectiveness in those minutes as well as a defensive presence afraid of picking up another foul. Plus, I find "block rate" (the percentage of two point shots that one blocks when on the floor) to not be the most effective statistic for overall defensive impact, in which I think Davis' was greater in general.

Your "common sense" seems to be incredibly slanted one way. You nitpick on little things to make it seem like you have a point when in the end, it always comes back to Syracuse's superiority. Syracuse was a great team, as was North Carolina, but Kentucky won the championship. I do not know if Kentucky had anything to do with Fab not being eligible, I tend to think not, but you can whine about it and make it seem that way if it makes you feel better.

People label Fab as lazy and unathletic, I don't. He is a decent athlete for his size and of course is a massive human being. I think he is raw and his lateral quickness is not ideal, but I have not heard terrible things about his work ethic. He fouled out 3 times, but I think you may have noticed there were times when he picked up fouls and had to sit because of it. He averaged 4.4 fouls per 40 minutes, which is certainly a larger number than the centers rated ahead of him in the draft.

Ultimately, the reason it is difficult to take much of what you say seriously is that everything is slanted towards your team. It leads me to believe that if the players you so dislike were on your team, you would be fighting for them as opposed to against them. I am a die hard fan of a school as well and while there basketball program may not be even close to the level of Syracuse, I think you have to be realistic about expectations. I really liked Dion Waiters this season and saw him as the teams star, regardless of his starting or not. Fab did not blow me away, but he had an impact.

The thing with you was, you tried to discount other great players without much to go by other than your love of your school. You kept going on about CJ Fair being MKG with a jump shot. It got a tad ridiculous, you start calling people names and discounting there credibility than use the tiniest bit of acknowledgement of a player as Chad Ford agreeing with the crazy $hit you said in general. Guessing this is not a reality check, but if you are willing to maybe look outside of your Cuse pride just a tad, think people would be much more agreeable in debating you. Otherwise, you just seem like a troll whose opinion tends to be taking with the tiniest grain of salt.

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Mikey you don't know anything

Mikey you don't know anything more about basketball than I do and I know about any player in the whole country not just Syracuse players. And it gets a tad bit ridiculous when people discount things just because of what other people say. Cj Fair is the same size, has a higher vertical, and is a better jump shooter. He was one of the best bench players in the whole country and countless coaches have said that he would star on 80 % of teams. The fact that people are so close minded to act like hes not in MKG's class is ridiculous. I like fab and dion as prospets because they went to Cuse? Fab is the most athletic 7 footer in the draft and NBA scouts are saying that Dion is the only guy other than AD with superstar potential, but I'm being biased. Lol you guys are ridiculous get a job or something I'm prolly going to get fired for dealing with you right now.

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My main problem with posters

My main problem with posters on this site is that nobody thinks for themselves and they can never dismiss a notion if it is popular amongst analysts or people on this site per se. I feel lik 90% of the posters are drones who will repeat anything they hear and I seriously doubt a majority of their basketball IQ. I could throw out any amount of facts and still be met with dissent and about 54 thumbs downs. Its immature and ridiculous and I find it laughable that I am the one considered off base.

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And Mikey if Fab didn't blow

And Mikey if Fab didn't blow you away you either weren't watching or don't know what to look for. He was DOMINANT for a majority of the season, and it would take a Syracuse fan to know that, apparantly.

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There is literallt a loser

There is literallt a loser just going through and thumbs downing everything I say lmao sweet life you got bud

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Give it up Cuse23, you're

Give it up Cuse23, you're obviously a biased troll and an idiot. There's a reason why you average negative 5 points per post.

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Because nobody on here knows

Because nobody on here knows basketball. I got killed all year for having differing opinions than the majority of these posters about Syracuse players. Now that i turned out to be right, nobody on here wants to give me any credit nor admit they were wrong mainly due to immaturity. On top of said comments above regarding Waiters (from the most respected draft expert there is, Chad Ford) which have him being a top 10 pick, this is what he had to say about Fab Melo.

"Syracuse center Melo was the most impressive player I saw during the Wasserman workout in the morning. He has clearly slimmed down and was moving much better than I'd ever seen him at Syracuse.

He shows a solid touch around the basket and he can hit the 18-footer pretty regularly as well."

This is what I got crushed for saying all year. F*cking clowns go jump off a bridge together because out of all of us I am the only one who turned out to be right. Immature a$$ f@ggots.

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This is what I got crushed

This is what I got crushed for saying all year. F*cking clowns go jump off a bridge together because out of all of us I am the only one who turned out to be right. Immature a$$ f@ggots.

Says the guy being mature?

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I dont care man I've reached

I dont care man I've reached the point where that is literally what I feel about 90% of the posters on here. Its just funny getting ripped apart all season for things that turned out to be true. Like if somebody on this rinky &$#%#&@! no budget site says something it must be true. Their mocks are terrible and everybody on this forum is just a drone to what they say. I mean, they are far behind any reputable mock site and more or less steal the mock/work other people do at a delay. Everyone on here KILLED fab all year, I got laughed at for saying Dion was a top 10 pick, and now get shunned for rubbing the fact that I am right in those same ignorant peoples' face. So I will reitterate, they are f*cking clowns who are immature a$ f*ck

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LOL Chad Ford is a dumbass.

LOL Chad Ford is a dumbass.

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I mean Mikeyvthedon is like a

I mean Mikeyvthedon is like a supposed "guru" on this forum and he didn't even know what block rate was. That pretty much says it all.

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Chad Ford is 20 times more

Chad Ford is 20 times more accurate when it comes to draft info or mocks you must be crazy . Compare his access to this site's. Just Stop. This site still has waiters 20th thats not even plausible.

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It's time Aran sends you

It's time Aran sends you packing like he did with DurantsWingspan.

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Seriously, why can't you just

Seriously, why can't you just wait until the actual draft before saying you are right or wrong. I'm not even following most of this post but think Melo and Waiters are good prospects. They haven't been drafted yet though. To say you are right is false. I'm sure everyone would be the first to say you were right if it happens that way. But to be arrogant about it and it hasn't happened is silly.

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Pretty sure not one thing ive

Pretty sure not one thing ive ever said is wrong sorry you folks don't like me.

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Dude I love Waiters too, being from Phila. and all BUT

He's not going Top 10, in fact I think he'll be drafted by his home town Sixers with The 15th Pick(they need scoring and Lou Williams is a RFA, Jodi Meeks is Un-restricted) which would land him just outside the Lottery...I think Houston or Dallas may take a look at Melo in the 1st round but I think they want Veteran Bigs like Gasol and Kaman in Free Agency...I think Melo shouldn't be taken until the late 1st/early 2nd round ala De'andre Jordan

Waiters is a great scorer and he's probally very highly regarded by NBA scouts, but there is no way he get drafted before all the Sf/Pf's(MKG, Barnes, Davis, Drummond, Robinson, Sullinger, T.Jones, P.Jones III, Mo Harkless and Quincy Miller) then there are the Pg/Sg's(Beal, Rivers, Lamb, Wroten, Ross, Lilliard, Marshall, Teague or D.Lamb) and then the Centers like Leonard, Zeller and Melo...

If you were drafting by team needs, where does he fit??? If we are drafting soley on talent where would he land??? He is a niche type of player that has to have a Team fall in love with him or need offense off the bench...

That's why I think Philadelphia is his earliest potential landing spot

He's a home town kid, he's a 6'4 combo guard that can replace Lou Williams who is a RFA and makes 6 million a year, he can potential start with Holiday and Turner if they trade Iggy and Williams eventually, he's got some nice potential as a scorer...

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You didn't get killed for having different opinions

You got killed for being angry, belligerent and condescending to anyone and everyone who provided any counter to your differing opinion. We get it, you like Syracuse and think highly of there players. They had a great team, I do not think people were discounting that in the least. The thing is, instead of trying to inform people, you try to pick on tiny, insignificant things to make yourself feel better about your own possibly wrong opinion.

I was not familiar with the statistic known as "block rate" when you brought it up. Freely admit that (though I have never called myself a guru, I just have watched a lot of basketball, follow it closely and try to do my research). What I remember is, you explaining it poorly and not really finding that it was much proof of anything. Yes, Fab Melo blocked a lot of shots as the anchor of the Cuse 2-3. His block rate may be similar (though, not necessarily identical, the word you used) to Anthony Davis' (who was a much more impactful all around defender than Fab in my opinion).

Want to know who has the best block rate (otherwise known as block %) in NBA history? Shawn Bradley (for those with 15000 minutes played). This category is not the end all be all to me. I saw Davis' blocks per minute were higher and that he fouled MUCH less for every block he had. To me, those are more important numbers. I think you took what Ken Pomeroy (who you called Ken Pom, as if it were his actual name or he was your frat brother) said out of context. He was complimenting Melo, but not saying anything close to his being a more impactful defender than Davis.

Melo might even be a better shot blocker in the NBA, he clearly will be defending closer to the basket and in more of a position to get blocks (though he probably will not play the minutes required to average more). Blocking shots is a skill, but it does not make you a great defender. Fab is a good defender, but I think you go overboard with saying he was in the class of Davis. To say he was more valuable to his team than Davis is something you can't prove either, do not even know what this argument really does to make you feel better.

All in all, it is fine if you like others commentary better than our own. The funny thing is though, you are getting false validation. If these guys read what you wrote, they would probably not even want to be associated with you in the least, much less saying, "Wow, this guy knows his stuff!". Ken Pomeroy was pointing to two players having a similar block rate, not saying anything about the defensive impact of Melo compared to Davis. As a matter of fact, Ken usually ranked Cuse much lower than they were in the polls. Guess you missed that part thinking he was a kindred spirit.......

Now, Chad Ford ranks Dion Waiters #8 right now. The hilarious thing is, you b!tched all of the time about Kentucky not having the muscle to compete with Syracuse when they have the #1 and #2 ranked players in Ford's countdown. Guess he is only smart when it is convenient for you, right Jr? You would find that people would be incredibly receptive to ones opinion, no matter how radical, if the person has composure and does not result to name calling. The only thing I can call you is a troll and just say that it is sad that when a person has a knowledge base, they would waste it in provoking and insulting other people.

I am not easily insulted, but I saw what you wrote about JoeWolf. That is not really cool in the least. He has a different point of view than you. You could try to make a post stating facts or figures or your own personal opinion to TRY to change his mind (emphasis on try, because that is all one can do. Opinions usually do not get forced on another successfully). But, you use ESPN and than blame Joe for going along with trends.......

Sure made you look like you knew what you were talking about, rather than making people almost want to do the opposite of anything you say in spite of you. I like Dion Waiters to, but if someone was trying to tell me to move him up like that, might drop my give a $hit meter a bit lower. There are ways of expressing yourself that are much more productive. It seems like you do indeed crave either attention or positive acknowledgement. Much better ways of doing it than the ones you have tried so far.

Everyone makes mistakes. I f#ck up a lot. I find it really hard to take seriously those who never admit they are wrong and claim they are overlooked. They either do not go out on a limb enough or are just not thinking hard enough over their entire body of work. To say Joe Wolf has "lost all credibility" for having a guy too low on his Mock Draft, is pretty sad and obviously a way to make yourself feel like you are smarter than a poster who I would say 99.99999999% of people on here think more highly of than yourself. You could change that number, but you might want to change your approach.

Just for fun, here is this blast from the past. I f#cked up in that I thought you were saying MKG did not have similar numbers to Paul Harris. Than, when I realized you were comparing numbers of players with two different skill sets at different stages with different characteristics, I realized that you were just trying to discredit a player ranked #2 by your new guru of basketball information, Chad Ford. By the way, Chad Ford did not say Dion Waiters was the one with the more star potential besides Anthony Davis, a NBA exec did. Suggest you go on a wild goose chase to find this man, as he probably is the one you long to meet who may very well have Dion Waiter's ranked above CJ Fair, wait, I mean Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/michael-kidd-gilchrist-1

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He has several landing spots

He has several landing spots before Philly. He'd fit well in Toronto, at the very least, Portland with their second pick, Milwalkee, and Phoenix could all use him.

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Oh, Scarecrow

You are the much more fun type of homer. The one who wants every player to end up on his team rather than disliking people for not liking players on their team as much as you do (have to say, this sentence doesn't even make sense to me). Dion would be a very nice grab for the 76ers, though I do not think he addresses something to different from what you have already at that position.

Evan and Iggy already lack range, Dion may be a scorer, but long distance shooting is not exactly his strong suit. I like him as an offensive option, but I think he kind of clashes with players Philly already has. I have always thought that Dion was a tank and liked what I saw from him as a scorer this year. He seems like solid value at 15. But, I think he is definitely trending up. He is a strong and athletic 2 with a definite edge to him. I think you are once again wishfully thinking for your beloved hometown squad.

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