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  • #41207
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    slash787
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    Hate it or love it but the Cavs done f*d up. There is no question in my mind when we look back at this draft we will all say Dion Waiters went before X, Y, Z!!!  Are you kidding me how stupid are the Cavs.

    This guy does not fit with Kyrie at all.  He is a combo guard, who is an average shooter, and needs control of the ball to be effective.  Great pick.

    Tyreke Evans .5 meaning he plays like Tyreke except he’s not as good.

    Give me all the negatives you want but this guy will be a bust mark my words.

    I could write an entire 40 page thesis detailing why he will be a bust but I think everyone reading this is smart enough to see what I see.

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  • #690187
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    Tyrober
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     I’m okay with the pick, but I definitely think they should have went another way. The Warriors were also very high on Waiters so I keep thinking I’ll see something about them swapping Waiters for Barnes.  I wish they would have traded those picks for T. Jones instead of Zeller. Thought the Cavs couldn’t mess up this draft, but they sure did push the limits. Could turn out to be a good draft for them, but I really wish they would have done things completely different.

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    • #690219
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      anthonymatthew24
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       T rob or Barnes, they are nba ready players with good potential and are great fits, but Waiters at #4 still has me SMH!

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      • #690295
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        JrbenzCuse23

         Just because this site had Waiters in the 20s doesnt mean thats how NBA teams thought about him…its not like he wasnt syracuse best player he was just young and thats how boeheim works? He was in every key point so idk why him being an unselfish team player is used against him..ppl say he has an attitude problem but he was the #4 pick and had zero problem coming off the bench…Harrison Barnes is an underachiever with no urgency to his game idk what everybody is freaking out about…the zellef trade was questionable drafting waiters was fine

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        • #690728
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          slash787
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          I don’t agree with 90% of the rankings on this site.  I can tell you if this site had Waiters as the number 4 prospect I would laugh.  The Cavs need assets and the could have obtained an entire starting roster in this draft.  Can you imagine if the Cavs traded the Rockets the 4 pick for their picks.  They would have wound up with the likes of Lamb, White, Jones.  Would you rather have Waiters or those 3 players when you have nothing on your roster.  Doesn’t seem like much of a question to me….In addition they could have acquired even more assets with the 24 pick maybe Perry Jones?  At 33 and 34 maybe a Quincy Miller/Doron Lamb/Barton/Green.  They butchered this draft.  They could have been stacked for years to come and they blew it.

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  • #690196
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    Winning_Time
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     First off, this trade really destroyed my mock so I was already bitter, but I agree strongly that the Cavs made a mistake. I don’t understand how after the college season, Waiters was projected on this site at 21 to Boston and then shoots up dramatically without playing any games. If the Cavs were desperate enough to give up all those picks fro Tyler Zeller, why didn’t they just go for Andre Drummond here, this pick was beyond me, I really cannot understand it. Most overrated pick in a while in my opinion. I hate that it kind of makes me kind of not like Waiters.

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    • #690209
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      Winning_Time
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       I meant pick not trade

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  • #690202
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    Tight Butthole
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    I agree with drafting Drummond. At least if he ends up being a bust, you can at least see what the organization was trying to accomplish with drafting a player off potential. But with drafting a player in Waiters, you really are taking a huge gamble. He didnt start a game in college. His stats dont jump off the paper in the least bit. And he didnt participate in the combine or any workouts. Cleveland drafting off of game footage alone sounds way too risky and I believe Waiters wont amount to more than a player that puts up less than 10ppg.

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  • #690203
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    hinzman23
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    I think Waiters could end up bein a steal. I think his driving ability reminds me of Irving’s, but not quite the ballhandle Irving has. By the numbers he shoots as good or better than almost all the top SG’s coming out this yr. only thing not to like is his height & length.

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  • #690214
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    Bill Walton’s Knees
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     Of course Jay Bilas would absolutely love the pick…

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  • #690220
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    BrentSuriaga01
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    I expect them to draft barnes but when I heard Stern Say Dion…. What the f*ck? Now I know why LeBron left.

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  • #690233
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    bball89
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    He’s not that bad… he’s somewhere of a cross between Dwayne Wade, and Tyreke Evans.

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  • #690254
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    Lebron’s Hairline
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    He must have one hell of an agent to get drafted 4th without any workouts or combine participation, he has too many question marks, he is a guy without a true position, undersized, shaky jumper, questionable defense due to Syracuse zone defense I didn’t have him in my top 15 players of this draft he’s going to be a huge bust way too build off a solid year of drafting in 2011 by following up with this Cleveland

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  • #690263
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    Cavaliers420
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    Alright so basically I don’t care for the pick either but heres what I got from Chris Grants interview via cavs.com. 
    -Dion was the best player on his team and came off the bench, that appealed to the Cavaliers since he has a ton of potiential they feel.
    -He only played half the time of normal players (Harrison Barnes, Austin Rivers, Jeremy Lamb, were starting role players on their teams) and  he still averaged 12 points. (20.5 minutes) I’m assuming Chris Grant expects that to rise dramatically while playing in the NBA since he would get more playing time and he’d have Kyrie to help set him up when needed.
    -When coming off the bench Dion had the ability to create for himself and others and the Cavs definitely liked this considering majority of last year Kyrie had to have his hands on the ball for the Cavs to even do anything offensively. This takes some of the load off Kyrie and helps balance the backcourt.
    – Cavaliers needed scoring and he provides it.   

    Honestly those are the best reasons I can convince myself of and based off CGS interviews that is what they’re looking for. I feel they honestly think of all the players in this draft Waiters had the best ability to become an All-Star and I’ve gotta say he isn’t that bad of a player. I honestly hope the best for him in Cleveand. The biggest issue is we were all expecting something totally different. Oh and Tyler Zeller also, didn’t get that trade much either.

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  • #690307
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    juslistin
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    The setting for Waiters will be tough, because he will have to perform to a great level to ease the critics going at 4. Being a Syracuse Fan I must say, I’m very happy for the guy to go this high, but I am very nervous for him as well. The Cavs did take a huge gamble in picking him this early, I think he’s in the top 3 as far as potential goes based on his physical raw ability ala (Perry Jones III and Andre Drummound) but this is a gamble for an organization who needs to rebuild. He is a combo guard and he can score in bunches but for the Cavs to trade for Zeller, it does not make more sense to draft Drummound here. I really believe the development of Waiters will be the only question here, because he will have to play off the ball more as Kyrie is the main man in Cleveland. Waiters can do wonders but at Syracuse he was the man. Although he has been streaky, he has a knack for hitting tough shots and making them when it counts so I think with practice and training camp, his shooting touch will only approve. Risky pick, but huge upside. Can’t hate the Cavs for going with what they thought could be a huge gem in this draft class.

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  • #690311
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    The Cavs sure had a smoke screen because I believed there was no way they’d pass on Harrison Barnes and yet they did. Hopefully for Cavs fans sake Dion Waiters turns into a DWade level player and everyone is forced to shut it. I don’t see it at the moment, but who knows it may be a great choice.

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  • #690731
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    theballerway
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    why cant Waiters be 4th. I know its been disected over and over again on these forums (regarding whos better) but Beal is still a ‘nba standard’ average atlete at best, with a great form but poor percentage and no abilty to create of the dribble. So really unless we are to assume hes going to become n NBA level slasher your looking at a shortish spotup shooter who is yet to find range – people talk like hes JJ Redick ( i dare not even say Ray Allen) because his shot looks pretty.  

    I dont think Beal will average more points than Waiters who is a vastly underated athlete in terms of jumpin as we all know how fast he is. I am also curious to see if that rebonding translate to the league also but if not that takes away alot of his allure.

    Just dont see how 1 6ft 4 gaurd is a must but the other is a reached and destined to be a bust. put me on record as saying that waiters will be ood. I see a  thicker Monta Ellis, not buying into the Wade stuff just yet tho 

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  • #690992
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    TheLastWord
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    Waiters is a reach, but not as big as everyone is making out. Every guy that went under has quite noticeable red flags.

    Drummond: Nice athlete, big, but not a basketball player. Wore platforms to inflate his height and reach. If he can’t get his FT % to 50%, it will make him virtually unusable in the 4th quarter.

    Barnes: The sample size for Barnes is large enough that you know he is not all star material. Once Marshall went down his numbers really dived. He is a safety pick for sure, but not something a rebuilding team like Cleveland necessarily wants.

    Robinson: He is the strongest case the Cavs screwed up. Robinson projects to be better than Tristan Thompson and they likely passed on him for lack of need reasons at PF – and that is usually a no-no when drafting this high.

     

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