[JunkYardDogParticipant]

Atlanta owner think KG is a dirty player…

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7914461/atlanta-hawks-co-owner-calls-boston-celtics-kevin-garnett-dirtiest-player

recentlly evans was pointed to be the dirtiest player… so we often talk about "dirty"… but I still don’t understand what it really means. I think that’s a really subjective notion.

Is it playing with your elbow against tougher /bigger / stronger / nasty player ? Is it pushing player around when they cut in the paint ? Is it making hard fouls when you want to avoid an easy bucket ? Is it refusing to LOSE every minute from the beginning of the game to the last minute ? Is it grabbing shirts when there is some moving screens ? Is it making hard blockout to protect every rebound ? Is it trying to make, the player you defend,  crazy and uneffective ?…

If it is that … well I’m one (and I’m proud of) and I support all the other "dirty" player. But I wouldn’t call it "dirty"…. I’d call it competitive. I’m a tough player. I rarely lose a rebound especially against taller player, the player I defend on rarely score and always complains to the ref’… but I never complain, I never create any fights situation with other players. Basketball is not ping pong, it’s a physical / mental game. There are some player who don’t control / assess the physical / psychological challenge and at the end are more dangerous than reputed "dirty" players.

Is it flopping every time you’re being touch ? Is it trying to hurt a player (bowen style…) ? Is it offending ? That’s not my style I’m tough but I’m fair… and at the end I always drink a beer with my opponents. And you what is your definition of dirty ? your way of playing ? Your limit ?

[JoeWolf1]

 John Stockton was regarded as a dirty player in his day.  Apparently he set some really nasty screens and was just a gritty, tough guy.  The kind of guy who would elbow you if you were both diving for a loose ball.

Then there are guys like Ron Artest who is mentally unstable and prone to violence.  Trash talkers like Reggie Miller and Michael Jordan and people who will sodomize you with a finger like Reggie Evans.

I think "dirty" takes all forms and there is no "one kind of dirty".  It’s subjective, as one player might not think trash talking is dirty and another might think it is a form of dirty play.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

If you ask nba players is Garnett is a Dirty player the outcome will be 60/40..Some give him praise and say when he’s guarding them, it’s like wearing an old cheap suit,becuz he’s all over you..And thats the type of player they want on their side..But hate playing against…

Others like Noah,Ivan Johnson,Quentin Richardson,Anthony Peeler or Charlie Villanueva will say he’s dirty and often uses cheap tactics,including elbowing,foul language or say something personal about you or a member family..

 

[NiceWithTheRockParticipant]

Totally. You stick a finger in my anus and I can let it slide. But trash talking? That’s where I draw the line dammit.

[JunkYardDogParticipant]

was payton a dirty player ?…. master of trash talkin’ for sure and tough defender but dirty ?… I won’t say so.

Rick fox ?

Doug christie ?

John Starks ?

Bo Outlaw ?

Dennis rodman ?

Charles oakley ?

Andres Nocioni ?

James Posey ?

PJ Brown ?

Rasheed Wallace ?

Raja Bell ? 

Trenton Hassell ?

Joel Przbilla ?

Anthony Mason ?

Jooks Noah ? 

In my opinion only raja bell and bowen are clearly dirty players (and przbilla late in his carreer)… all the others are sometimes borderline but not dirty. Wallace starks rodman were on some sequence.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Doesnt it seem like the Best Defenders throughout the history of the game have been a Little Crazy?

[Sirknicks89Participant]

 Being dirty and physical player are 2 different things. KG is a player some would regard dirty but I love his game his very intense and does whatever your team needs to win. Opposing players prolly do hate him cuz he does foul hard and play old school defense. Artest is physical and dirty I seen him do alot of cheap shots not even including the harden play but he also plays physical defense. Trash talk is irrelevant as far as being dirty since its only words it’s all about your play. Rasheed is a player I wouldn’t call dirty either cuz he played hard good defense he gets a bad rep from the way he talks to refs.

[benny15Participant]

i think dirty and flopping are in the same level but are of different directions.

one describe your actions when you’re trying to manipulate the ref in getting a call while the other is trying to get away with one.

 

[YurpleHazEParticipant]

I wouldnt call Artest dirty he’s just extremely hard nosed and gritty…he’s a QB nigga through and through out….dude inspired me to become a better all around defender….its unfortunate that one incident where a ratchet fan provoked him by talking about his mom and pops then throwing a brew at him will forever taint his career forever..

[JunkYardDogParticipant]

 the boarder for me is : do you try to hurt the player you defend ?

if you cross it you’re a "dirty" player but everything else is just being tough, cunning, competitive…

[benny15Participant]

define hurt? as in permanent damage or injury risk, or giving bruises also applies? if you throw your elbow around, is that dirty to you or just a cunning way to get a competitive edge and space? its very hard to define because i honestly believe most players if not all dont intend to injury their fellow players, but they dont mind being physicall to the point that it inflict pain on others.

[JunkYardDogParticipant]

 in my opinion I was thinking first of bowen and bell’s attempts to injured their player (during jump shoots)….

but indeed, with elbow, it’s hard to tell if the player has a real will to hurt or to protect himself.

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