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After drafting Darko Milicic instead of Melo, Wade or Bosh, I would think they will not draft a project such as Mullens. B.J. is a much bigger project than Milicic was at the time to boot. I would be shocked and think it would be a huge blunder.
I doubt the pistons will take Mullens when they already have projects on their hands in Kwame Brown and Amir Johnson. Maybe they should take a guard, maybe Jrue Holiday, to help out Rodney Stuckey who seemed to struggle at times this season.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.
No way the Pistons are going to draft John Bryant. Taj Gibson isn't worth taking with the 15th pick but he also won't fall far enough in the 2nd round for the Pistons to be able to take him. So I would scratch Gibson out, I don't think Detroit would trade up just to get him. BJ Mullens at 15 could happen even though I think it shouldn't. Detroit should take the best player available who will probably be somebody like Jennings, Holiday, Clark, or Johnson. I would even take Blair or Hansbrough before I took Mullens at 15. Pistons have a lot of 2nd round picks so they can find some post players there. Guys like Cunningham & Adrien seem to be pretty good fits because they have the toughness that Detroit likes.
WE NEED A CENTER A GOOD CENTER.
I am completely annoyed by the fact that BJ Mullens, the same guy who came into OSU with so much hype and flopped horribly, could be wearing a Pistons jersey. If we have Johnson or Clark, better yet anyone close to an actual basketball player, available at 15, TAKE HIM! I swear if Dumars take Mullens, I will lose all repsect for him and this organization
i think they should draft mullens. they have nothing to lose. they are still going to have stuckey, hamilton, prince, mcdyess and wallace plus all the money coming off iverson's contract. they could put a pretty good team together without significant minutes from a rookie. there aren't very many 7 footers (including in 2010's draft) and rasheed wallace is going to be in his mid 30s. i think drafting an earl clark or james johnson is going to be just as much a project. they both remind me of julian wright, pure athletes with no consistency on their jumpers.
WE NEED A CENTER
The Pistons have plenty of holes, with the most glaring one being at the point. As good a pick as Rodney Stuckey has been, he's not a point guard. It's rumored that they'll be big players in the Carlos Boozer sweepstakes, so guard may be the logical choice.
pistonsman.....you remind me of somebody that used to be on these forums btownkid
By the way, Jrue Holiday is in the draft.
James Johnson & Earl Clark are not even close to being as big of projects as Mullens is. That is ludicrous. James Johnson can shoot.
james johnson shot 32% from 3's last year. how is that good?
he is i never knew that.
The team is long in the tooth. Their window of having their veteren team together is short. They can't afford to take a project if they want to win during this window. Mullens is the biggest project in the draft. If you take him, you might as well blow the team up and trade the vets.
Have you ever seen Johnson play? He has Major Skills. 32% from 3's isn't bad for a guy that is 6'9", still very young, weighs 250 pounds, can play either SF or PF. Johnson also shot 54% from the field which is pretty d&%n good. Not to mention he shoots 70% from the free throw line. Watch him play before you say he can't shoot, don't just look at stats. Johnson is way better than Mullens that is a fact.
We do need a center, but not THIS center. Wallace isn't comin back, Kwame Brown is Kwame Brown, and Maxiell is a rich man's Blair, so center is a dire need, but we need more depth at the 3 or 4, where Johnson and Clark come into play. Besides, Monroe, Aldrich, Favors, and Cousins will be available next year, who are way better than BJ "Big Stiff" Mullens
This is the wrong draft for that. Mullens is a big time project, and while I thought he might be a good player due to how athletic he is for his size, it seems like he has a lot to work on as far as fundamentals. The Pistons could draft him if they are ready to throw in the towel and try and wait for him to pan out, but if they want to win, I highly suggest addressing a different area, because they definitely do not have the depth that they used to. A true point might help, plus depth on the wing would not be the worst idea. They seem to have Maxiell and Johnson as far as post player depth, but more toughness there never hurts. Getting a real center is extremely difficult, their are very few in the league that play the position like they are supposed to. The Pistons had Ben Wallace manning the post for years, and of course once they got Rasheed it worked to perfection. I do not see them signing a true big this off-season, but getting a guy like Carlos Boozer or David Lee would help, having Maxiell off the bench and starting Amir Johnson like they attempted to do last year. They also have Kwame Brown, and as much as that is of very little comfort, he and Johnson would still be taking Mullens playing time. I would say the Pistons best bet would be going after an up tempo point, a la Ty Lawson, as even Will Bynum is more of a 2 in a points body, or maybe go after Earl Clark or a stronger back-up for Tayshaun.
The Suns went after a project big last year, but they were in a much worse way in terms of front court depth than even the Pistons, and the move did not at all pay-off. Only time will tell if Robin Lopez will develop into the player they thought he could be, but he was never close to Brook as far as offensive skill set was concerned and usually looks like a bull in a china closet on that end of the floor. I am not saying that Mullens is Robin, I think Mullens has a higher ceiling, but Robin is probably better right now and had much better numbers than Mullens in college in a better conference. Plus, saying that Robin is better right now is not at all a good sign of Mullens ability to produce next year, or even the year after that. The Pistons are a team that I still believe want to win and are not exactly ready to go into full out rebuilding mode. I see Stuckey, Hamilton and Tayshaun all most likely filling out the first 3 spots, and that they most likely land a PF to replace Sheed and maybe keep McDyess as their post for another year. Iverson will be gone, and they should try and find maybe that Lindsey Hunter type guy that did wonders for them as a role player for years. A lot of PG's will likely be available, and if Clark is their, he would be a better choice than Mullens in my mind.
pistonsman what are you sayin man, taj gibson at 15, john bryant?i dont know if you we're serious there or now, im hoping that you weren't, no chance he gets drafted. then sayin jrue holiday isnt even in this draft. man you got to do your homework or watch a game b4 you posts this stuff. this forum is retarted isnt it guys?
the second I saw John Bryants name I knew this topic was bogus haha
well, it looks like i'm not going to win this argument, so here's my last comments.
1. james johnson and earl clark both shot 32% from the 3 point line and scored most of their points off of being physical specimens at their respective positions. college pf's cannot keep up with their speed and athleticism and college sf's cannot keep up with their size. this doesn't work in the nba unless you are lebron james (in the early years) or can shoot. these guys are julian wrights and wilson chandlers. on top of that, james johnson came into the combine at 260 lbs. that is not a good sign. you don't go into your most important interview at the heaviest you've ever been.
2. the pistons are an aging team for sure. but, unless they start dissembling their team, they are not going to be able to draft monroe, aldrich, favors or cousins without trading a lot. if they continue to keep this team, in reality, this team will always make the playoffs but they won't be able keep up with the cavs or celtics or hawks, which leaves them in the middle of the draft. big guys won't be available at this point (similar to this draft). and if they aren't dissembling their team already, why would you trade chauncey billups?
3. if you look at how the nba free agency has been going in recent years, the big guys are always overpriced and if they have any talent, most are locked into long contract extensions anyways. the only way you get market value is through the draft. yeah, maybe robin lopez didn't have huge numbers, but the expectation for robin lopez was to come off the bench, bring some energy and rebound and block shots; which is what he did. he's still cheaper than most centers in the league that sit on the bench.
4. in summary, there is risk in drafting any of these guys. but, if mullens doesn't pan out, you are paying him the same amount that any other free agent center is going to make to sit on the bench. jerome james has sat on numerous team's benches for way more than mullens' rookie contract will be. kwame brown and amir johnson will make more than mullens. if johnson or clark don't pan out, there are plenty of sf's and pf's that you could have picked up through free agency for veteran minimums. decision tree says pick mullens.
You made some good points juves. I don't think James Johnson will have a problem scoring in the nba, he gets his points in various ways. I just don't think Mullens is worth being picked at 15 in this draft. I've said this before but: If you didn't even start in college then how are you going to make an impact on an nba team. If the Pistons draft Mullens he will provide ZERO help for at least the first 3 or 4 seasons he is in the league.
Mullens would be a better fit for a team that knows it's 3-4 years away from being a serious contender. I don't think the Pistons can do both, rebuild and stock for the future. They have to go one way or the other.
This draft will not help the Pistons. They have two nice point guards in Stuckney and Bynum. The have Rip, They have Prince who could be traded so getting a small forward could work. They could use someone with a low post game and a Defender to take Wallace place but I am thinking with the money they have they will probably take care of their issues. Mullens would not be a bad pick up. I have seen him move. He is not a stiff at all. The piston can afford to pick a project big man at their spot. it is different to pick a project at 2 then at 15.
He definitely has upside, but it won't help his team for the next 2 years minimum. Pistons core won't be around 2 years from now. I still contend they can't reload and improve at the same time. If they take a project, they should blow the team up. A happy compromise would be taking an NBA rookie who could contribute. There are many safer picks that could help team immediately at 15. Yes 15 is a lot different than 2. I think Dumars is and should be shell shocked from Milicic choice.
Rumors are still everywhere about a Prince for Tyson Chandler trade. This would make things a lot easier for the Pistons. Chandler helps out at Center. James Johnson or Clark will fill the SF position. They need to sign Boozer if they want to stay competitive in the playoffs.
Clark or James Johnson
Plus Detroit still has 3 2nd round picks to add some high quality depth.
That lineup looks pretty solid.
Honestly if I were the Pistons I would trade away the pick for later in the draft.
First they don't need a PG they have Stuckey. They traded away Billups to make room for him so it's no way they draft a point. They have Hamilton and Prince. Affalo coming off the bench and with the minutes he logged int he plays I imagine him being a part of the rotation along with Bynum.
Now they need a Power Forward/Center. In that spot if Blair is there take him if not trade it. No need to go drafting a project when they can get a player later in the draft and/or trade for a player to fill a position of need. And if I'm not mistaking Sheed is off the books (not sure). With a pick later in the draft they can take a number of players. Gibson, Hansbrough, etc... Depending on the direction of need.
I have posted this on so many different threads it's getting old, but I really think the Pistons need to get a shooter. If they want a rookie that can contribute immediately, they should stay away from athletic wings and big guys. Both of those positions take years to develop; wings need to adjust to the speed of the game, and big men must adjust to the size difference. Shooters are shooters, however, and if their range extends out to NBA range (which it often does) then they have the best chance at making a difference their first season.
Thus, the Pistons need to look at the best shooters in this draft: Stephen Curry, Patty Mills, Wayne
Ellington, and Danny Green are probably the best pure shooters this draft has to offer. If they want Curry, they will probably have to trade up to the 6, 7, or 8 spot while sacrificing one of their young big men (I think it's time to let go of Maxiell - he has reached his ceiling). This will allow Curry to come in without much pressure and do what he does best: shoot the 3-ball.
After Blake Griffin and Hasheem Thabeet, the caliber of big men in this draft is sub-par at best. DeJuan Blair is barely 6'6", and BJ Mullens is simply a combination of the two Buckeyes before him (few skills like Oden, weak defender like Koufos). If the Pistons stand pat at 15 and want a big man, they are better off taking Tyler Hansbrough who clearly has some talent and is moving up draft boards everyday. He's not a player who will start in this league, but I think Dumars will re-sign Rasheed Wallace and if they can pick up Carlos Boozer then Hansbrough can play a few minutes of the bench.
So... they should try to move up and get a shooter, but if that doesn't work they can take an established big at 15.
This offseason will be really interesting for Detroit; they need to do one of two things: quickly become a contender or rebuild.
First off. I highly doubt Iverson, Wallace, or McDyess will come back. Secondly, I agree with jasonmgray11 on Detroit seeing Stuckey as their PG of the future since they traded Billups to allow him to start.
1. BECOME A CONTENDER
If they decide to take advantage of the buyers market this summer they could quickly become contenders. They could free up some more cap space by trading the 15th pick and Amir Johnson to the Thunder for the 25th pick. Use the 25th pick to get one of the available SF. Sign Boozer to a deal similar to Elton Brand last summer. Make a trade with Houston for Tracy McGrady using one or both Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince. McGrady's expiring contract could free up Detroit of Prince's contract for next summer and possibly get them a big name player next summer. This helps Houston who did well in the playoffs without McGrady by giving them a reliable SG and either giving them the cap room to resign Artest or giving them a solid replacement. Then with the remaining money sign a quality SF like Lamar Odom, Shawn Marion, Ron Artest, Trevor Ariza.
This could give them a possible lineup of:
C. Brown / (free agency or Dorsey via McGrady trade)
PF. Boozer / Maxiell
SF. Odom or Prince / 25th pick (Sam Young?) / Sharpe
SG. McGrady / Afflalo
PG. Stuckey / Bynum
This would give Detroit a really strong starting lineup with a relatively weak bench that would contend in the East and possibly give them some flexibility the next summer.
This time trade Hamilton AND Prince for McGrady. Clean house and fully commit to rebuilding around Stuckey. Sign a young SF and PF to build the team around along with Stuckey. I would sign Ariza and either David Lee or Paul Millsap. It will be difficult for LA to keep both Ariza and Odom as well as Utah to keep Boozer and Millsap, so they both could be had at the right price. Also, NY is more than willing to do a sign and trade for Lee but Detroit could sign him outright for around 10 mil which NY would be reluctant to match with their eyes on LeBron next summer. I would then keep the 15th pick and sign Mullins as a project expecting to sit him for a couple of years to be part of my core with Stuckey, Ariza, and Millsap or Lee unless a quality SG is available with the pick like Henderson or Ellington.
This could give them a possible lineup of:
C. Brown / Johnson / Mullins
PF. Millsap or Lee / Maxiell
SF. Ariza / Sharpe
SG. McGrady / Afflalo
PG. Stuckey / Bynum
This team could still be be a playoff team next year. Detroit would have flexability next summer with expiring contracts of McGrady, Brown, and Johnson to get a player like possibly Wade. A team of Mullins, Millsap or Lee, Ariza, and Stuckey looks pretty good a couple of years from now.
There is no way the Pistons make these moves. Joey Dorsey at Centre? Doubtful. McGrady is finished IMO as a premier NBA player. They desperately need a leader at the point, because Stuckey is no Billups. Maxiell has got to play more minutes, while Amir has to play less. He was given his chance this season and he disappointed. They just need to play the best team. Kwame Brown, Amir Johnson, Walter Hermann, Aaron Afflalo etc aren't good enough to get them back to the East finals.
It has to be one of those 3 guys, right?
I think a lot depends on Gordon. If he leaves, we will not take a big player. Our need would be for Ellington or someone else who can shoot, score and play big guard/small forward.