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  • #54877
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    JordanC20
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     I’ve heard Adam Silver mention maybe having a wheel to determine who gets what pick…I would love this idea personally just curious what you all think or if you think there would be a better solution.

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  • #889471
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    Rip255

     Do they spin it "Wheel of Fortune" style on ESPN so we can watch teams sweat as it goes around?

     

     

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    • #889688
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      I’m on board for that.  Sounds like good watching.  Of course my team is on "the wheel" every year so I do have a vested interest.  Perhaps this would curb some of the "lottery is fixed" talk…that I have been known to participate in myself lol

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    • #889579
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      I’m on board for that.  Sounds like good watching.  Of course my team is on "the wheel" every year so I do have a vested interest.  Perhaps this would curb some of the "lottery is fixed" talk…that I have been known to participate in myself lol

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  • #889580
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    Rip255

     Do they spin it "Wheel of Fortune" style on ESPN so we can watch teams sweat as it goes around?

     

     

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  • #889475
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    JCliff24
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    I don’t think a change is needed I just think the fans as well as teams should be able to see the drawing. Awfully fishy that nobody gets to see the ping pong balls get pulled except for a few select people.

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  • #889584
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    JCliff24
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    I don’t think a change is needed I just think the fans as well as teams should be able to see the drawing. Awfully fishy that nobody gets to see the ping pong balls get pulled except for a few select people.

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  • #889487
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    cha
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    From what I understand Adam proposed a drafting system in which has 30 teams getting to pick at a certain draft position for every 30 years. ie 2014: Chicago gets number 1; Boston gets 2.. etc. 2015: Boston gets 1. Raptors gets 2 etc and by 2044: Chicago gets number 1 again. The order for each draft selection varies every 30 years. One problem stated was the fact that prospects can now choose to enter the draft in which they feel their ‘favorite’ franchise has a chance to pick them. 

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    • #889692
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      I don’t see the problem with that…  shouldn’t the prospect have some power on where they are going?  Also, if they don’t want to go to a certain franchise isn’t it in the best interest of both parties to avoid each other?

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    • #889583
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      hbomb3300
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      I don’t see the problem with that…  shouldn’t the prospect have some power on where they are going?  Also, if they don’t want to go to a certain franchise isn’t it in the best interest of both parties to avoid each other?

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      • #889863
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        cha
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         Yeah, but look at it this way. All the top prospects from this years’ draft are basically saying they want to go to the Lakers because of their winning culture,market and Kobe’s possible mentor role (see Exum, Embiid and Smart). Isn’t the whole point of the Draft Lottery system and even the CBA agreement is to give teams EQUAL chance to be good teams and land talent? The Lakers or any good market teams out there already have the advantage of landing free agents because of their financial flexibility; that’s the issue right there. A prospect can now choose to be with the ‘better-market’ team thus leaving the lesser organization with less talent.  The balance of talent will only favor certain organizations. 

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        • #890185
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          hbomb3300
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          Equality… that is what the wheel is all about.  If you want to be a more attractive destination for players isn’t that the job of the organization?  Should the NBA really cater to the bottom feeder teams that are always bad, even when they get multiple top 5 picks and have plenty of cap space?  The terrible organizations in the NBA need to take action to make their arena, staff, facilities, and city into a place players want to be at.

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        • #890074
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          hbomb3300
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          Equality… that is what the wheel is all about.  If you want to be a more attractive destination for players isn’t that the job of the organization?  Should the NBA really cater to the bottom feeder teams that are always bad, even when they get multiple top 5 picks and have plenty of cap space?  The terrible organizations in the NBA need to take action to make their arena, staff, facilities, and city into a place players want to be at.

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          • #890707
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            cha
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            Let’s view this in a prospects’ point of view, say I’m the projected #1 prospect playing in college. Now the situation is I just finished my first college season and it just so happens that my favorite team, the Lakers have the #1 pick for next years’ draft. The Lakers will all their success and big market along with my loyalty as part of the fanbase throughout the years, will undoubtedly have a factor on decision whether to stay in college for one more year or enter the draft. I understand that it may seem it may seem counter intuitive to achieve ‘equality’, one must impose rules in the CBA that will ultimately cripple other teams (the big market guys; Lakers, Knicks etc.) but really when it comes down to it; each organization is unique. Not every organization will have the same resources and luxury that another enjoys. It is their job to develop a culture in order to entice prospects and players to play for their city and team but how will they so with the given limitations and constraints that is imposed? The rules are there in order to avoid these big market teams to turn the league into a monopoly. It is that much difficult to create an enticing environment without having the same kind advantages. Also, the league wouldn’t cater an NBA team that has lotto pick guaranteed because of they’re terrible; the idea of the wheel is to give teams a shot at landing the top position every 30 years; so it doesn’t matter if you’re terrible or successful; everyone still has a shot at it. 

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          • #890596
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            cha
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            Let’s view this in a prospects’ point of view, say I’m the projected #1 prospect playing in college. Now the situation is I just finished my first college season and it just so happens that my favorite team, the Lakers have the #1 pick for next years’ draft. The Lakers will all their success and big market along with my loyalty as part of the fanbase throughout the years, will undoubtedly have a factor on decision whether to stay in college for one more year or enter the draft. I understand that it may seem it may seem counter intuitive to achieve ‘equality’, one must impose rules in the CBA that will ultimately cripple other teams (the big market guys; Lakers, Knicks etc.) but really when it comes down to it; each organization is unique. Not every organization will have the same resources and luxury that another enjoys. It is their job to develop a culture in order to entice prospects and players to play for their city and team but how will they so with the given limitations and constraints that is imposed? The rules are there in order to avoid these big market teams to turn the league into a monopoly. It is that much difficult to create an enticing environment without having the same kind advantages. Also, the league wouldn’t cater an NBA team that has lotto pick guaranteed because of they’re terrible; the idea of the wheel is to give teams a shot at landing the top position every 30 years; so it doesn’t matter if you’re terrible or successful; everyone still has a shot at it. 

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      • #889972
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        cha
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         Yeah, but look at it this way. All the top prospects from this years’ draft are basically saying they want to go to the Lakers because of their winning culture,market and Kobe’s possible mentor role (see Exum, Embiid and Smart). Isn’t the whole point of the Draft Lottery system and even the CBA agreement is to give teams EQUAL chance to be good teams and land talent? The Lakers or any good market teams out there already have the advantage of landing free agents because of their financial flexibility; that’s the issue right there. A prospect can now choose to be with the ‘better-market’ team thus leaving the lesser organization with less talent.  The balance of talent will only favor certain organizations. 

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  • #889596
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    cha
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    From what I understand Adam proposed a drafting system in which has 30 teams getting to pick at a certain draft position for every 30 years. ie 2014: Chicago gets number 1; Boston gets 2.. etc. 2015: Boston gets 1. Raptors gets 2 etc and by 2044: Chicago gets number 1 again. The order for each draft selection varies every 30 years. One problem stated was the fact that prospects can now choose to enter the draft in which they feel their ‘favorite’ franchise has a chance to pick them. 

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  • #889630
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    Magic Jordan
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     To me this leaves the door open to some genetic cross breeding.  Imagine a team who knows they have the first pick in twenty years and can convince Shaq and Lisa Leslie to have a baby which will conviently delcare for the draft that year.

     

    Any other WNBA/NBA stars that you can think of who would have super babies?  Lebron and Turasi?

     

     

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  • #889521
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    Magic Jordan
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     To me this leaves the door open to some genetic cross breeding.  Imagine a team who knows they have the first pick in twenty years and can convince Shaq and Lisa Leslie to have a baby which will conviently delcare for the draft that year.

     

    Any other WNBA/NBA stars that you can think of who would have super babies?  Lebron and Turasi?

     

     

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    • #889611
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      Land of Grant
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      This is hilarious. By the way, Kevin Durant is engaged to WNBA guard Monica Moore.

      2035 #1 pick: 7’0 SF Kevin Monica Durant-Moore

       

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    • #889720
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      Land of Grant
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      This is hilarious. By the way, Kevin Durant is engaged to WNBA guard Monica Moore.

      2035 #1 pick: 7’0 SF Kevin Monica Durant-Moore

       

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  • #889650
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    samosas
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     Impossible, WNBA are men in disguise.  They’re like transformers, for sports.

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  • #889541
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    samosas
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     Impossible, WNBA are men in disguise.  They’re like transformers, for sports.

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    • #889682
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      SteezGawd
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       The WNBA exists? I thought it was like Narnia, or Detox, or Leonardo Dicaprio’s Oscar. (He’s going to win an oscar one day though)

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    • #889573
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      SteezGawd
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       The WNBA exists? I thought it was like Narnia, or Detox, or Leonardo Dicaprio’s Oscar. (He’s going to win an oscar one day though)

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      • #889696
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        Magic Jordan
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         Wait Leo really doesn’t have an Oscar….. wtf???

        Britney Griner and Anthony Davis??

         

         

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      • #889587
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        Magic Jordan
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         Wait Leo really doesn’t have an Oscar….. wtf???

        Britney Griner and Anthony Davis??

         

         

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        • #889627
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          Four
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          While I’d draft that kid out of middle school this might be a tough sell to Griner given her sexuality lol

          But that kid would be blocking shots while still in pampers!

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        • #889736
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          Four
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          While I’d draft that kid out of middle school this might be a tough sell to Griner given her sexuality lol

          But that kid would be blocking shots while still in pampers!

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        • #890630
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          Ghost01
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           I am admitted Leo fan, he’s had some douchy moments but its pretty hard to argue the last 10+ years of his career…

          And when I saw Wolf of Wallstreet, I thought he was finally going to win. Then I saw Dallas Buyers Club…and pretty much immediately knew that chance was over. 

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        • #890520
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           I am admitted Leo fan, he’s had some douchy moments but its pretty hard to argue the last 10+ years of his career…

          And when I saw Wolf of Wallstreet, I thought he was finally going to win. Then I saw Dallas Buyers Club…and pretty much immediately knew that chance was over. 

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  • #889664
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    BouncyBall
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     How about a system where instead of the lowest seed getting the highest draft chances, the team with the most wins after being eliminated from playoff contention gets the highest pick with the lottery still in effect?

    The worst teams would theoretically lose the most games the quickest thus being eliminated from playoff contention the fastest.  They will then have more games ahead of them to get wins which count towards the draft standings and would theoretically have the best chances of landing the number 1 pick since they were the worst team eliminated first.

    This would also create a mini tournament of some sort where bottom feeder teams are actually competing and trying to win games at the end of the season so they can get a higher draft pick.

    Of course this creates a half tank scenario to be the first eliminated from playoffs but it still would be better than the system today wouldn’t it?

    Thoughts?

     

     

     

     

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  • #889555
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    BouncyBall
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     How about a system where instead of the lowest seed getting the highest draft chances, the team with the most wins after being eliminated from playoff contention gets the highest pick with the lottery still in effect?

    The worst teams would theoretically lose the most games the quickest thus being eliminated from playoff contention the fastest.  They will then have more games ahead of them to get wins which count towards the draft standings and would theoretically have the best chances of landing the number 1 pick since they were the worst team eliminated first.

    This would also create a mini tournament of some sort where bottom feeder teams are actually competing and trying to win games at the end of the season so they can get a higher draft pick.

    Of course this creates a half tank scenario to be the first eliminated from playoffs but it still would be better than the system today wouldn’t it?

    Thoughts?

     

     

     

     

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    • #889639
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      Andrew1984
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      This idea was presented somewhere on here recently and it was refuted because it would put the teams in the No. 7 and No. 8 slots in a position where they have to choose between “winning” the right to face a top seed, or “lose” and be rewarded with the top overall pick. It’s the same “problem” the current system has, although, if you ask me, the current system is fine.

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      • #890508
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        BouncyBall
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         The teams with that option wouldn’t have that choice because if they missed the playoffs they would still have the lease amount of wins after being eliminated from playoff contention thus be last place in the lottery, no different from what it would be today…

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          williama
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          williama
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      • #890618
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        BouncyBall
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         The teams with that option wouldn’t have that choice because if they missed the playoffs they would still have the lease amount of wins after being eliminated from playoff contention thus be last place in the lottery, no different from what it would be today…

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    • #889748
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      Andrew1984
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      This idea was presented somewhere on here recently and it was refuted because it would put the teams in the No. 7 and No. 8 slots in a position where they have to choose between “winning” the right to face a top seed, or “lose” and be rewarded with the top overall pick. It’s the same “problem” the current system has, although, if you ask me, the current system is fine.

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  • #889698
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    I would have the first FIVE picks determined by ping pong balls instead of just the top 3 picks as it is now.

    For the SIXTH pick I would open it up to every team in the league with each team having a 3.33% chance of getting the pick.  Why punish teams that make the playoffs but don’t make the NBA Finals?  This way every team in the league has a chance to get a really good player.

    So, the worst team in the league could fall all the way down to seven.  It wouldn’t be worth tanking for the 7th pick. 

    Then I would show the draft LIVE since the big cliffhanger for MOST of the teams would be who gets the Sixth Pick especially in a deep draft like this one. 

    The WILD CARD sixth pick would expand the first round by one pick.  To even things out I would give the WORST team in the league to not get a top 3 pick the first pick of the second round (pick 32).  That would be a bit of a consolation prize if the worst team in the league basically fell from 1 to 4-5 or even all the way down to 7. 

    … then if each NBA franchise got its own D League team (which should happen) I would expand the draft to three rounds, but I would do the third round in reverse order with the first pick of the third round (63rd pick) going to the NBA champion.  Why should really bad teams have the best picks in EVERY round?  This would make the second half of the draft more like a fantasy league draft.  It would almost be like giving top contending playoff teams an extra second round pick (picks 63-70).  … the bad teams would then have picks in the 80-93 range which might encourage teams to take a flyer on a guy they can stash overseas.  Or, they could use it on a local guy who would have a shot at making the team. 

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  • #889589
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    I would have the first FIVE picks determined by ping pong balls instead of just the top 3 picks as it is now.

    For the SIXTH pick I would open it up to every team in the league with each team having a 3.33% chance of getting the pick.  Why punish teams that make the playoffs but don’t make the NBA Finals?  This way every team in the league has a chance to get a really good player.

    So, the worst team in the league could fall all the way down to seven.  It wouldn’t be worth tanking for the 7th pick. 

    Then I would show the draft LIVE since the big cliffhanger for MOST of the teams would be who gets the Sixth Pick especially in a deep draft like this one. 

    The WILD CARD sixth pick would expand the first round by one pick.  To even things out I would give the WORST team in the league to not get a top 3 pick the first pick of the second round (pick 32).  That would be a bit of a consolation prize if the worst team in the league basically fell from 1 to 4-5 or even all the way down to 7. 

    … then if each NBA franchise got its own D League team (which should happen) I would expand the draft to three rounds, but I would do the third round in reverse order with the first pick of the third round (63rd pick) going to the NBA champion.  Why should really bad teams have the best picks in EVERY round?  This would make the second half of the draft more like a fantasy league draft.  It would almost be like giving top contending playoff teams an extra second round pick (picks 63-70).  … the bad teams would then have picks in the 80-93 range which might encourage teams to take a flyer on a guy they can stash overseas.  Or, they could use it on a local guy who would have a shot at making the team. 

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  • #889607
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    bobforte
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     I think it should be a tournament one loss out style.  Like NCAA all teams not to make playoffs fight it out to see the winner.  Takes trying to loose out and lets them acutally try to win to get the pick.  The arguments would be well teams that actually suck will continue to suck but two points to dispute this are 1.  They are nba teams each team can beat one another on any given night. 2.  Why do we want to promote loosing anyway. Next arguemnt would be what if a team traded their rights.  In this case you let the team who has the rights play the game becasue the other team will not care if they win or loose.  Basically gets rid of tanking and promotes winning.  

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  • #889716
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    bobforte
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     I think it should be a tournament one loss out style.  Like NCAA all teams not to make playoffs fight it out to see the winner.  Takes trying to loose out and lets them acutally try to win to get the pick.  The arguments would be well teams that actually suck will continue to suck but two points to dispute this are 1.  They are nba teams each team can beat one another on any given night. 2.  Why do we want to promote loosing anyway. Next arguemnt would be what if a team traded their rights.  In this case you let the team who has the rights play the game becasue the other team will not care if they win or loose.  Basically gets rid of tanking and promotes winning.  

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  • #889621
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    I don’t think it needs to be changed, or shown live on tv. They released the video of last’s years lottery and its incredibly boring. No one would want to watch it. It’s literally a 30 minute plus thing of them doing the ping pong balls over and over until they get various combinations of numbers that match up for the top 3 picks with obviously the worse teams having more number combinations then say 12-14.

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  • #889730
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    Forte IV
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    I don’t think it needs to be changed, or shown live on tv. They released the video of last’s years lottery and its incredibly boring. No one would want to watch it. It’s literally a 30 minute plus thing of them doing the ping pong balls over and over until they get various combinations of numbers that match up for the top 3 picks with obviously the worse teams having more number combinations then say 12-14.

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  • #889641
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    They could show it live.  Each ping pong ball has a team logo on it.  The WORST team in the league has the MOST ping pong balls.  First ping pong ball picked gets the first pick, second ball selected gets the second pick, third one taken gets pick number 3, same with four, and five.

    THEN do the WILD CARD draft where EACH team only has one ping pong ball for the sixth pick.

    Then the rest of the first round falls into place starting at pick number 7. 

    You would have all the fans of all 30 teams hyped about the possibility of getting the sixth pick which would basically be a bonus pick.  That wild card pick could swing a franchise.

    What it would also do is create anticipation at the FRONT END.  Then if you are the worst team in league you dread the fact that you could fall all the way down to 7.  So, after the second or third pick a feeling a HOPE would be replaced by DREAD.  If you are a Bucks fan this year, instead of getting the top pick and your choice of Wiggins, or Parker, or Embiid — you fall to SEVEN with the pick right in front of you going to a team that made the playoffs.  So you also lose out (probably) on Julius Randle, Dante Exum, and Marcus Smart.  So, you have to chose between Noah Vonleh, Aaron Gordon, Rodney Hood, Doug McDermott, and maybe some dude named Dario Saric.  HOPE turns to DREAD then dread turns into PANIC.  Is the guy at seven even going to be GOOD?  Did we tank for THIS?

    If you are bad and LUCKY you can get a top 5 pick.  If you are good and LUCKY, you can get the sixth pick.  BUT, if you are both BAD and UNLUCKY then you get the seventh pick. 

    You could call this the Worst Case Scenario Draft for a team a tanking team that also happens to be unlucky.

    This would eliminate some more reasons to tank, since you could conceivably have a worse pick than the NBA champions.

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  • #889750
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    Memphis Madness
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    They could show it live.  Each ping pong ball has a team logo on it.  The WORST team in the league has the MOST ping pong balls.  First ping pong ball picked gets the first pick, second ball selected gets the second pick, third one taken gets pick number 3, same with four, and five.

    THEN do the WILD CARD draft where EACH team only has one ping pong ball for the sixth pick.

    Then the rest of the first round falls into place starting at pick number 7. 

    You would have all the fans of all 30 teams hyped about the possibility of getting the sixth pick which would basically be a bonus pick.  That wild card pick could swing a franchise.

    What it would also do is create anticipation at the FRONT END.  Then if you are the worst team in league you dread the fact that you could fall all the way down to 7.  So, after the second or third pick a feeling a HOPE would be replaced by DREAD.  If you are a Bucks fan this year, instead of getting the top pick and your choice of Wiggins, or Parker, or Embiid — you fall to SEVEN with the pick right in front of you going to a team that made the playoffs.  So you also lose out (probably) on Julius Randle, Dante Exum, and Marcus Smart.  So, you have to chose between Noah Vonleh, Aaron Gordon, Rodney Hood, Doug McDermott, and maybe some dude named Dario Saric.  HOPE turns to DREAD then dread turns into PANIC.  Is the guy at seven even going to be GOOD?  Did we tank for THIS?

    If you are bad and LUCKY you can get a top 5 pick.  If you are good and LUCKY, you can get the sixth pick.  BUT, if you are both BAD and UNLUCKY then you get the seventh pick. 

    You could call this the Worst Case Scenario Draft for a team a tanking team that also happens to be unlucky.

    This would eliminate some more reasons to tank, since you could conceivably have a worse pick than the NBA champions.

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  • #889888
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    antiwork3000
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     Keep the same draft system but every year the 2 lowest teams get demoted to D-league (like English Premiership) and 2 highest D-league teams get promoted. Newly promoted teams get most ping pongs – this may deter one-and-dones since they know they’ll be most likely coming into a crap team.

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  • #889779
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    antiwork3000
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     Keep the same draft system but every year the 2 lowest teams get demoted to D-league (like English Premiership) and 2 highest D-league teams get promoted. Newly promoted teams get most ping pongs – this may deter one-and-dones since they know they’ll be most likely coming into a crap team.

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