Dwight update: Not close to a trade with Rockets
July 13, 2012 · 10:29PM
Friday came and went, and just like all the other days that have passed since June 24, 2004, Dwight Howard was still a member of the Orlando Magic.
Despite the Houston Rockets using the amnesty provision to waive forward Luis Scola, there was no trade of Howard from Orlando to Houston, and sources briefed on the talks between the two sides said the teams weren’t nearly as close to a trade as many have speculated. That can change in an instant, of course, but late Friday, there was no deal.
Talks between the two sides are “not active,” one source said Friday.
“There’s nothing happening,” another source said.
The Rockets, according to a league source briefed on the discussions, are willing to take one bad contract back from the Magic, not two or three, as has been speculated. And in return, Houston will give up one of the their three first-round picks in last month’s Draft– Jeremy Lamb, Royce White or Terrence Jones –but only one.
The Rockets would be willing to send a future draft pick to Orlando –presumably the Lottery-protected first-rounder Houston received this week from Toronto for guard Kyle Lowry — and send a veteran player to the Magic, helping Orlando clear $10 to $15 million worth of cap room, in exchange for the six-time All-Star and three-time Defensive Player of the Year.
Orlando has several high-priced contracts it would like to clear if it opts to trade Howard, including forward Hedo Turkoglu (two years, $23.4 million remaining, though the last year of the deal is not fully guaranteed) and guards Jason Richardson (three years, $18.6 million) and Chris Duhon (two years, $7.2 million).
Waiving Scola, who was due $20.6 million over the next three seasons, was not done just to give Houston a better shot at Howard, according to the source. With the Rockets in full pursuit of Howard, however, keeping a high-priced player like Scola on the roster didn’t make much sense going forward — especially if Houston isn’t successful in getting Howard.
By cutting Scola now, the Rockets will be able to take a big contract back at any point this season if it suits their rebuilding plans. After spending the last three years trapped in NBA mediocrity following the injuries to and eventual retirement of franchise center Yao Ming, the Rockets are determined to land a star or construct a roster of players with the potential to become stars.
To that end, the Rockets officially tendered a three-year, $25.1 million offer sheet on Friday to Knicks restricted free agent Jeremy Lin. The Rockets reworked their deal from the original offer they had negotiated with Lin, eliminating a year of the offer but raising Lin’s third-year salary up to $14.898 million, in an attempt to make the offer sheet as difficult as possible for New York to match.
League sources continue to indicate that the Knicks will match, however, feeling Lin’s potential both as a player and as someone whose marketability is unlimited are too important to pass up. But with a roster that currently only has veterans Toney Douglas and Shaun Livingston as point guards, Houston felt it had to do whatever it could to get Lin.
The Rockets are still expected to tender a similar three-year, $25 million offer sheet to Bulls reserve center Omer Asik.
Meanwhile, Orlando continues to take a methodical approach toward dealing Howard, who has indicated the only team with whom he’d be willing to sign a contract extension after this season is Brooklyn. Howard has been adamant that he would not re-sign in Houston if traded there.
However, the Rockets remain convinced they can change his mind once he gets to town. He has a strong relationship with Rockets legend and Hall of Fame center Hakeem Olajuwon, who told FoxSportsFlorida Friday night that he’d been asked to reach out to Howard if and when a trade is made.
Orlando is determined trade Howard on its own timetable, when it gets the combination of picks and young players it wants. The Magic, who are still looking to hire a new coach and just hired new general manager Rob Hennigan late last month, may be trying to replicate the formula used by the Nuggets in 2011, when Denver held onto forward Carmelo Anthony for months and months until the Knicks offered a package featuring Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler and Timofey Mozgov for a Denver package featuring Anthony and Chauncey Billups.
Orlando is continuing to talk to other teams, including the Lakers. But after sending two future firsts and two seconds to the Suns in the sign and trade deal for Steve Nash, Los Angeles is out of Draft picks to offer in the near future. The Nets are out of the picture for the foreseeable future after re-signing center Brook Lopez, who was supposed to be the centerpiece of any offer to Orlando for Howard, to a four-year, $60.8 million deal earlier this week. Under league rules Brooklyn cannot trade Lopez until Jan. 15.
Well it all makes much more sense now. Before it seemed like the Rockets were going to trade half their roster for Dwight Howard. Trading one rookie, taking on one bad contract, trading one veteran, and one future draft pick is not the team swap most people thought was being discussed. If I'm the Rockets I wouldn't offer much more than that because Dwight won't re-sign and they would have wasted potential for nothing.
So at this point if Houston is the only team who will take Dwight without a promise of re-signing then Orlando only has mediocre options. I still think they are better off this way then trading with Brooklyn particularly since now Brooklyn can't take back any bad contracts to make the deal work.
At this point I feel bad for the Orlando Magic franchise and fans...they have been taken hostage by Dwight Howard and his demands are to be traded to Brooklyn, who until January 15 can't make a move for him.
If it comes down to Dwight for Chalmers, James Jones, Mike Miller, Joel Anthony, Dexter Pittman, Justin Hamilton, the Sixers pick, and two future first rounders from Miami then I am gonna be...
I think the Thunder could afford a one year rental. Dwight for Serge Ibaka (who might leave anyway), Kendrick Perkins (they don't really care for his contract), Perry Jones (a great talent with promise but he has knee issues), Reggie Jackson (Westbrook and Maynor own the point guard spot even though Jackson has promise), a 2013 first round pick, and a future second round pick.
The Thunder would be giving up a lot but a Big Four of Durant, Westbrook, Howard, and Harden would be unstoppable. They still have some solid role players with Nick Collison, Thabo, Maynor, and Cook.
If Howard doesn't resign then they could have some cap space to go after another big man, perhaps Andrew Bynum.
Orlando gets some great building blocks in Serge Ibaka, a dunker and rim protector who could play the 4 or 5, Perry Jones, an elite talent and a possible huge small forward, Reggie Jackson who is showing promise in the summer league, and Kendrick Perkins who is a decent starting center. He has a contract that is not THAT bad, plus he can play some defense and adds toughness wherever he goes.
If Howard stays in OKC, then Orlando may be handing the Thunder a dynasty, BUT they improve their own team with the best deal on the table. Perkins is the worst guy in that trade but he can defend the low post against the Celtics, Bulls, and Pacers (Hibbert) in the East and Dwight Howard (OKC) and Andrew Bynum out west.
The Magic would have a young nucleus of Ibaka, Andrew Nicholson, Kyle O'Quinn, Justin Harper, and Perry Jones at the forward and center spots with Reggie Jackson, DeAndre Liggins, and Von Wafer in the backcourt. They have some bad contracts so if they can move them that would be good. Hedo is unmovable, but maybe they can get rid of Jameer Nelson (might want to keep him though), Duhon, and Jason Richardson. I like JJ Reddick and Big Baby as youngish veterans who can help them this year and in the next few years.
I think that this team could contend for a playoff spot, and should only get better in the future.
I know he said it's Brooklyn or Bust. But there is a big difference in the ammount the team that has him can pay him compared to everyone else. There is not an agent in the buisness that would willingly let him client leave that much money on the table just to pick where he wants to go.
Josh Smith has been complaining about ATL for 5 years and now that his contract is comming near the end, he is happy again.
All the Eric Gordon whining will die down when the Hornets match and he realizes he is there for the next 5 years.
Players always talk about what teams they prefer to go to, but the almighty dollar speaks the loudest.
At some point Howard will be moved or Orlando will keep him and he will leave. There are teams that next year can sign him outright and Houston is one of them. Houston will either get him now or later. It may be better if they get him later because he is hurt. This year should be about the young player for Houston. If Orlando tries to ask for Motie, Houston should laugh.
Orlando is stuck. Dwight Howard is gonna get paid. Orlando needs to get as much as they can. I think that even Brook Lopez is off the table now, or at least for a while.
I think a pretty good trade for Orlando would be Noah, Deng, and Taj Gibson for Dwight Howard. I wonder how the salaries would work, maybe they could swap J Rich and Rip Hamilton, or something like that, or throw in Ronnie Brewer's contract on the Bulls' side.
Noah would give Orlando a starting center for their future, a starting small forward right now who is an all-star, plus depth at power forward in Taj Gibson. If they could get some picks that would be great, too.
I think that Dwight Howard would resign in Chicago. If not, Andrew Bynum would be another possibility.
This trade would work for both teams money wise:
Chicago gets: Dwight Howard and Jason Richardson
Orlando gets: Luol Deng, Joakim Noah, and Taj Gibson
Since Dwight could leave, I think the Bulls should throw in a 2013 second round pick and a future first round pick, but I wouldn't throw in more than one first round pick for a guy that could potentially be a one-year rental.
Trade Machine says that this trade gives the Bulls 3 more wins, and the Magic 4 fewer wins.
If they do this, I still think the Bulls should amnesty Boozer. They would have a huge hole at power forward but I think they can make another trade to get a power forward in return. Luis Scola would be a perfect fit.
would be a dream come true. I didn't want to give up Noah for Melo when he was going through his "Let me out" phase in Denver. Luckily for me the Bulls were thinking the same thing. There is a VERY short list of people I would trade Noah for, but Howard is on that list.
There is no way the Bulls could get Scola though. Teams that are under the cap are allowed to bid on him before anyone else. Even if they anmenstied Boozer right now, they would still be only 1 million under the cap and I don't think 1 million will be enough to out bid other teams for Scola.
Would Dwight Howard's trade value go up or down if they Magic keep Dwight Howard until the trade deadline?
What I don't understand is, why does Orlando feel as if they have leverage in these deals?
Not wanting to trade to the Nets, Rockets, Hawks, and Lakers because they feel they aren't getting enough is stupid. Each day that passes, they're going to get offered less until they deal him away at the trade deadline for 2 future first round picks and a young player.
They're the ones that NEED to trade Dwight or get stuck with losing him for nothing, they have absolutely no leverage and other teams are beginning to realize that. The Rockets are only willing to give up a first rounder, a veteran, and a rookie while the Nets were gave them a pretty good offer of Lopez, Brooks, cash, and a variety of first rounders.
Every week that passes, the Magic are going to find themselves getting smaller and worse trade requests until they ship him off for next to nothing compared to the 4-team Nets' trade.
A team that might want to do a one year rental is the Spurs. They could trade Kawhi Leonard, Blair, Gary Neal, Splitter, and Stephen Jackson's
expiring contract for Dwight Howard and Quentin Richardson.
They would only have Q at small forward but a Big Four of Duncan, Parker, Ginobili,
and Dwight Howard. Danny Green is a good starting role player with Matt Bonner as their third big and Patty Mills as their backup point guard. They still have rookie Marcus Denmon too.
I think the Spurs could sign some guys to fill in at the three and some extra bigs.
Orlando would get their starting small forward for the future in Kawhi Leonard, depth at point guard in Gary Neal, and a solid center in Splitter.
contract Brook Lopez signed but not realizing McGee just got offered 5 years $50 Million, DJ makes $10, Perkins makes $10, and Asik just got offered $25 Mil... 5 Years $61 Million for a 20 and 8 center isn't that BAD when looking at the rest of the league's mediocre or below centers... Orlando should have just traded for Brook... Now the only inticing option would be the Rockets at this point... Since the Rockets signed Asik to that ridiculous offer sheet I am more incline to think they would be willing to swap D12 and Brook Lopez after next year... Orlando trying to play hard ball unless a dark horse come out of nowhere they SOL...
Truth be told the sitiuation with OKC is smart as hell Memphis Madness... They get rid of the slow and inflated contract of Perkins... Get a better offensive and defensive player with D12... To think they wouldn't be able to sign Ibaka without going wayyyy over the cap (to me he's not going to be loyal to them and going to take the money anyway) for a year is a stroke of genius... Its a year rental and who wouldn't want to come down and play with KD, Westbrook, and Harden in a depleted Western Conference??? If D12 still decides to leave it wouldn't be for "basketball" reasons... That's just would be dumb as fawk to leave... LOL... But unfortunatley that makes too much sense and won't happen we talking about the NBA now... Haha