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  • #8995
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    JNixon
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    1st off, I Iistened to Q Haynes and The Dribble Drive show. Great stuff, they are doing big things man. We don’t agree with some topics on here lol, but that show is cool and I suggest you guys give it a listen and call-in/e-mail.

    Does Dwyane Wade deserve mention for being the best player in the NBA? To me, he does. Like legitimate mention. He is a better defender,passer, athlete and finisher than Kobe to me, and he is a better defender and shooter/scorer than Lebron. He also has a flair for super duper plays and the ability to change a game in a matter of a few minutes. Not that Kobe and Lebron dont, but Wade is a gamer with unbelieveable basketball skills. He is the toughest, most fearless player in basketball and it shows. He is every bit the work-a-holic Kobe Bryant is, as shown by his VASTLY improved ability to handle a PG role, defend, and (definitely most noticeably) perimeter shooting ability. He no longer is limited to playing within 20 feet like he used to be. I think Wade is the best in basketball in alot of games he plays. Sure Lebron is more dominate, and Kobe is more naturally skilled, but Wade has the best all-around game in the NBA to me. Give him a better team (which he’ll get sooner rather than later) and you’ll hear alot of Dwyane Wade being the best player mention?

    Thoughts? Agree, Disagree?

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  • #216771
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    MagikKnick
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    THANK YOU! This is what’ve i’ve been trying to say since forever….imo, Wade is the best player playing basketball today

    I would add to what you said…but you pretty much covered it all…

    The only thing i think that holds him back is his teams record, but of the 3, he has the worst supporting cast…

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    • #216779
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      Slim
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      If wade/lebron were on the Lakers instead of kobe…they would not win the west
      Lebron is a 1 man team and plays 40 minutes a game
      Wade is good for 5th seed vs the previous year
      supporting cast is all it is Kobe

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    • #216954
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      japhonza
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      Wade got more heart and passion esp in the playoff and i know i saw what he did to my piston. I cant believe ya would say lebron is better than wade because of stat. Look at last year cavs team omg. HOw did you lose to one player straight up. if lebron was great he shoulda took a page out of d howard game. HOw can you lose when your center can shoot the trey from the parking lot. explain pls.

      boston vs da spurs 2010

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  • #216777
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    Lemons4Life
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    Agree. And whoever said he was limited needs to shut up.

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  • #216776
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    Slim
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    Wade is the best slasher in the game
    Kobe is the best shooter though
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2e68J2GZ-g
    Dr. J said all good dunkers have good hands on Red on Roundball
    Kobe has to cup the ball so its harder

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  • #216783
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    doubledribbler
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    Agreed that Wade is the best player in the NBA. The guy is nearly unstoppable especially when going to the hole. I am kind of surprised that no one considers him an heir to Jordan, despite the fact that anyone that has watched him and Jordan play should have noticed Wade’s game is the most similar to that of MJ of anyone up until now. Not only is he great, but no one ever shuts him down and when it’s crunch time you always believe the guy is going to make the big play and he usually does. He does some ridiculous things and he never had great players surrounding him. The Miami team was a team that he carried to the championship. Put him on the Lakers team that recently lost to the Celtics instead of Kobe and I guarantee you that the Lakers win it all.

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    • #216789
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      Slim
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      He grew up in Chicago and he admitted he gets most of his game from Jordan. But something that surprised me is that he said he got some of his game from Sam Cassell
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjKBIXhO2jY
      2 minute mark LOL

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  • #216785
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    Michael.S.
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    Does Dwyane Wade deserve mention for being the best player in the NBA? To me, he does. Like legitimate mention. He is a better defender,passer, athlete and finisher than Kobe to me, and he is a better defender and shooter/scorer than Lebron. He also has a flair for super duper plays and the ability to change a game in a matter of a few minutes. Not that Kobe and Lebron dont, but Wade is a gamer with unbelieveable basketball skills. He is the toughest, most fearless player in basketball and it shows. He is every bit the work-a-holic Kobe Bryant is, as shown by his VASTLY improved ability to handle a PG role, defend, and (definitely most noticeably) perimeter shooting ability. He no longer is limited to playing within 20 feet like he used to be. I think Wade is the best in basketball in alot of games he plays. Sure Lebron is more dominate, and Kobe is more naturally skilled, but Wade has the best all-around game in the NBA to me. Give him a better team (which he’ll get sooner rather than later) and you’ll hear alot of Dwyane Wade being the best player mention?

    First off, he absolutely deserves mention he is in the top 3 for sure, as of now. I agree he is a better athlete then Kobe now, but more than a young Kobe? No. And I also don’t think he is a better scorer than LeBron, and there are no facts to back that up either. as for flair for super plays and ability to change a game in a few minutes, yeah he can, but thats what a star is, only the select few true stars can do that. Sure he needs a better team, but don’t half the other stars in the game? As for Wade being the BEST? hmmm. i wouldnt disagree with someone saying that, but i think LeBron is strides ahead of everyone else.

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  • #216786
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    Michael.S.
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    Does Dwyane Wade deserve mention for being the best player in the NBA? To me, he does. Like legitimate mention. He is a better defender,passer, athlete and finisher than Kobe to me, and he is a better defender and shooter/scorer than Lebron. He also has a flair for super duper plays and the ability to change a game in a matter of a few minutes. Not that Kobe and Lebron dont, but Wade is a gamer with unbelieveable basketball skills. He is the toughest, most fearless player in basketball and it shows. He is every bit the work-a-holic Kobe Bryant is, as shown by his VASTLY improved ability to handle a PG role, defend, and (definitely most noticeably) perimeter shooting ability. He no longer is limited to playing within 20 feet like he used to be. I think Wade is the best in basketball in alot of games he plays. Sure Lebron is more dominate, and Kobe is more naturally skilled, but Wade has the best all-around game in the NBA to me. Give him a better team (which he’ll get sooner rather than later) and you’ll hear alot of Dwyane Wade being the best player mention?

    First off, he absolutely deserves mention he is in the top 3 for sure, as of now. I agree he is a better athlete then Kobe now, but more than a young Kobe? No. And I also don’t think he is a better scorer than LeBron, and there are no facts to back that up either. as for flair for super plays and ability to change a game in a few minutes, yeah he can, but thats what a star is, only the select few true stars can do that. Sure he needs a better team, but don’t half the other stars in the game? As for Wade being the BEST? hmmm. i wouldnt disagree with someone saying that, but i think LeBron is strides ahead of everyone else.

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  • #216788
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    sheltwon3
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    I think with the way the Lakers are build right now either one could fit in and it would be a championship caliber team. They are all talented in different ways. This is coming from a lakers fans. Kobe went through his year without a good team and Wade and Lebron have too as well although I will say Lebron has not really had a terrible team but their coach does not help them win games with a style that get the best of his players. Slowing the game down with the players they have had hurts them but now with Shaq that style may fit better.

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    • #216790
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      Slim
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      they all play like me 😉

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  • #216792
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    JNixon
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    Proof that Wade can score better than Lebron:

    Lebron James: 28.4 ppg

    Dwyane Wade: 30.2 ppg

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    • #216794
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      Slim
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      ?

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  • #216793
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    Michael.S.
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    haha good try, how about career ppg? and most pts in a game? 50+ pt games? career pts? scoring records?

    LeBron wins in all those by a good margin

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    • #216952
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      japhonza
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      50 points a game give wade some help. he got two rookies his team and he is still balling.

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  • #216795
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    Michael.S.
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    Leyirus. LeBron shot 78% from ft last year, and is above 73% for his career, Lets stop bashing LeBron for the select few things he doesn’t do and wake up, because he can do just about everything

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    • #216802
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      Slim
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      ?

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  • #216796
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    Michael.S.
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    if LeBron isn’t versatile i don’t know what is

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  • #216800
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    Michael.S.
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    Ok, if you say so.

    but I want to know what makes you think just this yr. he surpassed him?

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  • #216803
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    IndianaBasketball
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    You can’t use one season that Wade outscored LeBron and say that he’s surpassed LeBron as a scorer… That’s just silly lol. You can’t ignore all of the seasons LeBron outscored Wade. Wade had to score over 30 a game just for the Heat to be competitive last season. LeBron didn’t have a great supporting cast, but he did have reliable scorers (except for versus Orlando in the playoffs lol) in Mo Williams, Delonte West and Zydrunas Illguaskas.

    Next season Wade will average more points than LeBron too, but only because Wade has to… His supporting cast is awful.

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  • #216805
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    JNixon
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    He showed a 3 point jump shot that I never knew he had. And it made him the unstoppable scorer he ended up being last year.

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  • #216807
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    Michael.S.
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    LeBron has the most underrated jumper in the NBA damnit ! he’s no mediocre shooter people.

    Plus Wade did unveil a new jumper last year and I do believe he is a tad better as a shooter as on now, but even the %’s show otherwise, even with Wades dramatic improvement last year from 3, he still shot only 32% while LeBron shot 33%, and LeBron shot 2% better from the line. just saying

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  • #216808
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    IndianaBasketball
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    D. Wade is definitely a better mid-range shooter than LeBron. I wouldn’t go as far to say that LeBron’s jumper is the most underrated in the NBA lol. I think it’s rated as is. Neither one of their 3P % is anything to brag about, but I think LeBron has more range and is the better 3P shooter.

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    • #216809
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      Slim
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      LEbron CAN be the GOAT when he can come off screens and knock down multiple jumpers
      plus when he’s hitting free throws he’s unstoppable

      agree or disagree?

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  • #216810
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    JNixon
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    The most underrated shooter in basketball is Roger Mason Jr.

    I’m not saying that Wade is a great shooter, because he’s not. I just think that after every other season of his career, his shot was a limitation. The fact that he showed the ability to pose a threat shooting 3’s made him a better scorer than he had ever been and was the reason he broke out the way he did. Lebron may have shot a better percentage, but his shooting wasn’t holding him from leading the NBA in scoring like Wade’s shot was. James could just physically dominate and lead the NBA scoring the ball.

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  • #216811
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    the_shamwow_guy
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    As Far as scoring goes for Lebron and Wade I think we should call it a tie. Next year I belive Michael Beasley will take a bit more of a scoring role then he did last year which will put less pressure on Wade which will give the Heat more wins which means a greater chance of an MVP.

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    • #216814
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      Slim
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      Beasley is a power forward
      He is a legit 3rd option (slasher/fast break finisher) not a real pure knock down shooter
      like Danny Granger or Rudy Gay
      I’d like to see a backcourt of Wade and Rudy Gay (restricted free agent 2010)

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  • #216815
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    IndianaBasketball
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    I don’t know Iggy lol. I mean, Wade only hit 88 three-pointers last season. He shot 88/278 for .317%. Is that really a threat or even respectable?

    I think the reason Wade led the NBA in scoring is because he was required to do more for his team… The Heat needed him to dominate every game just to have a chance. The Cavs didn’t need LeBron to score AS MUCH as the Heat needed Wade to. LeBron played less minutes than Wade and took less shots. As a matter of fact, LeBron sat out the entire fourth quarter during a ton of games lol.

    Wade is a phenomenal player… He’s just as dominant as LeBron, except he’s four inches shorter and about 40 lbs less lol. I love Wade. It’s close and definitely worth talking about, but he’s not better than LeBron. They both play similar games based on athletic/physical domination and if I had to choose… I’m going with the King. It’s amazing because he’s THREE YEARS younger than Wade. People forget just how young LeBron is… He’s 24 years old. Crazy.

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    • #216953
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      japhonza
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      I can’t believe what im reading. Wade is better than lebron as of today. When lebron got to the final he disappear straight up. how can you be the face on the NBA and get the broom? Lebron cry to much for me right now. I used to dislike Dwade but as of now i have to give him his props. Look at his team, matter of fact look at what he did to the Mavs that one yr. I will say this the cavs will make the playoff without lebron easy. Do you really believe the Heat will even make the playoff without Wade? matter of fact put lebron on the heat and put wade on the cavs omg. HOw can you say lebron is a beast, and if he was a beast he woulda took care of the Magic. D howard went thru da cavs. Lebron shoulda did the same thing but instead he got locked up by michael p. do you really think wade woulda let one person shut em down. it take a team to stop wade not one player. Give wade some slack straight up. if he didnt get hurt that one yr he was on his way for another title.

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  • #216818
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    JNixon
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    He got hot some games and took over games from the perimeter. If you left him unguarded or laid off/went under screens he would light you up. Especially if he wanted to prove something. Take Game 2 (I believe) of the Hawks playoff series for example. He got on an unstoppable streak that only the best scorers can go on, hitting 3 from super deep. It wasnt a consistent threat, but it had to be watched at all times.

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  • #216821
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    Michael.S.
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    Iggy i agree half-heartedly, I agree he improved alot from the perimeter, enough to burn you. I disagree because everyone is unstoppable from everywhere when theyre in the zone

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    • #216824
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      Slim
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      But did Lebron “get in a zone” in the playoffs?

      I think Lebron needs to get some more quickness back so he can
      create space more for his jumper
      Or is his jump shot release just 2 slow? IDK

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  • #216825
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    RickyRubio9
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    I just read last comment and in the Playoffs LeBron has “gotten in the Zone”
    Ask the Pistons

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  • #216826
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    Michael.S.
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    Well he was in a zone the whole damn playoffs as a matter of fact, he averaged 35.5 damn points the whole damn playoffs

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    • #216828
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      Slim
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      He was slashing for 40 minutes
      Believe me
      my roomate was from Ohio
      we watched every damn Cleveland game

      He drove and kicked all playoffs against:
      Rip Hamilton/Tayshaun Prince – 2 skinny
      twisted ankle Joe Johnson/Josh Smith – 2 slow
      when it got 2 the magic they just had too many guys to guard him and shoot the three all day

      but with Turkoglu gone broke knees Vince Carter gonna have to d him up

      YIKES!!!

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  • #216827
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    JNixon
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    Lebron definitely got in the zone against the Hawks for the 47 point game..I was there lol. It was unbelievable…

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    • #216834
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      Slim
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      Joe Johnson is 6’8 250
      and Lebron destroyed him
      Lebron is just too freakish fast/strong for Joe Johnson

      I liked Josh Smith guarding him/ he was 6’9 blocked his shot a couple times

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  • #216831
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    IndianaBasketball
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    VC won’t be guarding LeBron… Mickael Pietrus will. He guarded LeBron pretty well during the playoffs.

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  • #216833
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    RickyRubio9
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    OH…I meant when LeBron just took over that game at the Palace a few years back

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  • #216836
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    Michael.S.
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    Doesn’t really matter anyways………..no one can guard him

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  • #216837
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    JNixon
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    Joe Johnson isn’t too weak for Lebron. And he plays good fundamental defense, moves his feet and whatnot. But Joe didnt cover Lebron that game, Mo Evans did. Joe’s matchup was Delonte West. Marvin Williams is the guy that would cover Lebron, but he was hurt. Marvin Williams guarded Lebron the best of any player in the NBA last season when I saw it IMO.

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  • #216832
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    IndianaBasketball
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    Double Post

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  • #216838
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    IndianaBasketball
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    Different subject, but I noticed something during the playoffs last season… It has to do with the argument of who’s the best between Kobe and LeBron.

    Pietrus played LeBron REALLY well. LeBron had his way, but Pietrus forced LeBron into quite a few bad shots and rushed decisions. Did anybody notice how easily Kobe dominated Pietrus in the Finals? The same D that was somewhat successful against LeBron DID NOT work on Kobe. Kobe torched Pietrus. I just found that interesting.

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  • #216839
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    CLYDE-frazier10
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    lebron on miami he scores 35 a night u put wade on cleavland last year he scores 25 not 28
    any disagree? so that scoring proof is nothing to me

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  • #216840
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    JNixon
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    Pietrus was overmatched by Kobe, but he did better than Courtney Lee…Lee looked like a fish out of water when he guarded Kobe. I think it’s because Kobe has all those head and body fakes and to take advantage of the aggressiveness Pietrus plays with. Lebron plays with athleticism and strength, and Pietrus plays an athletic style of D and he’s pretty strong. He could kinda off-set it to an extent.

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  • #216842
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    IndianaBasketball
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    Exactly why I think Kobe is better than LeBron. If another player of similar size, athleticism and strength to LeBron (hard to find lol) guards him… He can be slowed down. That won’t work against Kobe because he’s so skilled.

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    • #216844
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      gregoden08
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      Did you watch Kobe in the finals against the Celtics? Yeah…LeBron is head and shoulders above everyone in the NBA. Put LeBron on the Lakers and they sweep the Magic in the finals and don’t even argue it. Switch Wade and LeBron and the Cavs lose way more games and the Heat when way more games.

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  • #216845
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    McWinning
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    he scored 30 points a game and i think hes a beast defensivly i think hes one tiny notch above Lebron now but he will overtake him soon he also has the ring. he and Kobe are close with Lebron trailing the tiniest bit.

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  • #216847
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    IndianaBasketball
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    Ummmm the Celtics are A GREAT defensive team, especially during their championship season. No one guy shut Kobe down. They shut him down with team defense. Pietrus guarded LeBron one on one and slowed him down.

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    • #216848
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      gregoden08
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      I guess the Magic didn’t play any team defense against LeBron…Ok that makes sense. Kobe was terrible against the Celtics in the finals and LeBron did an excellent job when he played the Celtics in the playoffs. It’s all about match ups man.

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      • #216955
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        japhonza
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        the laker didnt have bynum in the paint and KG bullied pau the whole series. the celtic play team defense matter of fact do remember the broom the spurs gave lebron?

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  • #216849
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    IndianaBasketball
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    GregOden08… Who do you think you are? You’re just joing this conversation and making statements like you’re the person who’s opinion is the tie breaker or the one that lays down the law.

    I was talking about being guarded ONE ON ONE. My point was that Pietrus was way more affective guarding LeBron than he was Kobe. Kobe torched Pietrus easily because Kobe has a complete offensive game. Kobe doesn’t have to rely on pure physical dominance to dominate. You can’t guard Kobe the same way you guard LeBron. That was my point. Then you come out of nowhere talking about “Did I watch Kobe in the Finals versus the Celtics?”… Get the f*ck out of here. That had zero to do with what I was talking about.

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    • #216851
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      gregoden08
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      So I’m not entitled to my opinion? This is an open forum, is it not? If you don’t want someone to argue against you than don’t post.

      That’s great that Kobe torched Pietrus. I’m just saying that LeBron matches up better against some players and vice versa.

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  • #216850
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    Michael.S.
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    ha umm… Tezo look at Lebrons stats in that series 49, 35,41,44, 37, 25 (pts through each game) that is well above LeBrons average, and I know stats dont tell the whole story because i watched the whole series, and Peitrus played much better D than these #’s indicate but LeBron did will his team to victory in basically all the games they one, get what im sayin?

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  • #216852
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    Michael.S.
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    ha umm… Tezo look at Lebrons stats in that series 49, 35,41,44, 37, 25 (pts through each game) that is well above LeBrons average, and I know stats dont tell the whole story because i watched the whole series, and Peitrus played much better D than these #’s indicate but LeBron did will his team to victory in basically all the games they one, get what im sayin?

    just wanted u to see this

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  • #216853
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    IndianaBasketball
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    Where did you see me say anything about stats??? All I said was that Pietrus was way more effective guarding LeBron James than he was Kobe Bryant. READ. You can’t guard Kobe the same way you can guard LeBron. Kobe has a much more diverse offensive game. Pietrus had zero success guarding Kobe. That was my point. Let’s just drop it because y’all ain’t reading lol.

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  • #216855
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    Michael.S.
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    Where did you see me say anything about stats??? All I said was that Pietrus was way more effective guarding LeBron James than he was Kobe Bryant. READ. You can’t guard Kobe the same way you can guard LeBron. Kobe has a much more diverse offensive game. Pietrus had zero success guarding Kobe. That was my point. Let’s just drop it because y’all ain’t reading lol.

    Ok i can see your getting a little fiesty, but you need to understand my point, im using stats partly to backup my arguement, Pietrus did play good D, but no-one can guard LeBron ,as seen when he won games in that series all alone in crunch time, so i really dont consider that being “shut down” or whatever u said.

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  • #216856
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    IndianaBasketball
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    You’re entitled to your own opinion for sure and I’m definitely down for an argument… That’s what makes it fun lol. The thing is you came on here talking about Kobe versus the Celtics when that had nothing to do with what I was talking about. I was just saying that the same defense that slowed (I never said Pietrus shut LeBron down) LeBron one on one did NOT even phase Kobe. That was my whole point and y’all are jumping overboard.

    I didn’t say LeBron was shut down phellas lol. I’m just saying that Pietrus defended LeBron REALLY well and slowed him down one on one. He made LeBron take tough shots and forced him into rushed decisions. All I said was that, that same defense did NOT work against Kobe because Kobe doesn’t need to rely on physical dominance or athletic ability to dominate. Pietrus was at Kobe’s mercy due to Kobe’s complete offensive arsenal. Man… That’s all I said lol.

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  • #216859
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    Henry25
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    Iguodala ur wrong man. LeBron had way more 50 point games last year. Wade has only scored 50 once, and that was when he dropped 50 on Orlando last year in a loss. LeBron had multiple 50 point games last year. Anyways i think Wade is a great player, but he doesnt win enough to be in the same league as Kobe and LeBron. Blame it all u want on his supporting cast, but if u ask Wades team last year was much better than the team LeBron dragged to the Finals in 2007. And people saying that LeBron just gets by on brute strength must not watch basketball. He is a great ball handler and imo probably a top 3 passer in the league. He makes some unbeliavable passes and thats probably his strongest attribute. By the way this is comin from a kobe lover. Wade is great, but he isn’t in LeBron and Kobe’s league. Thos guys elevate their teamates more than anyone in the league

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  • #216863
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    RickyRubio9
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    on LeBron’s passing ability. I think that’s how he is closer to MJ…Magic Johnson, big man who can pass and move like…wow. LeBron is a better passer then Kobe and Wade and he also has those Top 10 Passes on Sportscenters at times too.

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  • #216798
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    JNixon
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    Career: This isn’t a career topic, I didnt say Wade is a better career scorer or player. Last year, Wade scored more and (imo) surpassed Lebron as a scorer.

    Both had the same amount of 50 point games last season (3).

    Both had season high’s of 55 points. I wont do career high’s since this isnt a career topic.

    The rest dont matter in this topic.

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  • #216871
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    llperez

    It’s close, but I just can’t put Wade with Lebron and Kobe. He is just below them. You can argue all day who is better between Lebron and Kobe, but I think Wade is third.

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  • #216867
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    JNixon
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    I went on nba.com and got those stats. I said LBJ had 3 50 point games…doesnt that count as the “multiple” word you used? You can go check if you want.

    Matter of fact, I’ll check it out for ya:
    Wade’s 50 pt games in 08-09:

    March 14 vs. Utah: 50 pts.
    Feb. 22 vs. Orlando: 50 pts.
    Apr. 12 vs NY Knicks : 55 pts.

    Lebron’s 50 pt games in 08-09:

    Mar 13 vs. Sacremento: 51 pts
    Feb. 20 vs Milwaukee: 55 pts
    Feb 4 vs. NY Knicks: 52 pts.

    That’s 3 50 point games…I have my facts right sir.

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    • #216956
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      japhonza
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      look at who he scored 50 against.

      wade was against utah, orl and the knick.

      lebron scored 50 against the knick was a given all the day.

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    the thing with stats is these guys are all so close you can interpret them any way you want and make any of the guys look like number one. But when I watch these guys play, I just don’t see Wade being better then Kobe or Lebron. The biggest differnece is he is no where near the perimiter shooter they are. And don’t just give me stats, because Lebron and Kobe take a lot more 3’s. Atlanta was not playing well in that first round last year, and all 4 of their victories were blow outs.

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  • #216886
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    You switch LeBron and Wade to the others team last year and the Heat win more games then they actually did and the Cavs lose more then they did. Enough said.

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    JNixon
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    Their honestly is NO WAY you can justify that statement at all….Its made up.

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  • #216895
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    Hale
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    That’s true. But honestly you can’t say you don’t believe it. LeBron just wins games.

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    JNixon
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    Their honestly is NO WAY you can justify that statement at all….Its made up. That’s like a man saying if I had a pu$$y, I would fukk you harder than you fukk me or somethin. There is no way to justify that…

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  • #216898
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    Yeah I get it can’t be justified but can you really disagree with it? LeBron is a winner.

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  • #216901
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    JNixon
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    They both are, Wade actually is more of a winner. I tried not to bring the championship he has into the argument, but he has won a championship.

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    Iggy, this isn’t a past argument. As you stated earlier. Wade doesn’t win it w/o Shaq anyway. I’m not saying Wade isn’t a winner, but I am pretty sure the Heat would do a LeBron for Wade swap in a second and the Cavs would say hell no. LeBron does more with his teammates. Wade gets good assist numbers but he a ballhog, more so then LeBron (who is also a ballhog) and he is less efficient with the ball as well. I’ll take LeBron and the Heat last year and you take Wade and the Cavs last year and I just don’t think you can say the Cavs are better with Wade or that they win as many games at they did.

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    I wont think that way, because it’s fake. And yea, I didnt want to include the past in the argument, but since thats the case what has Lebron won? If you havent won a championship you havent won anything. Wade has. Winning is more than a one season thing. You cant say someone is a winner based off one season, a season that they didnt even when anyhthing. I wont consider one good season winning. Wade is the better winner than Lebron is.

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  • #216958
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    wow someone here is a big lebron hater.

    first off, if I were you I wouldn’t use your argument saying the cavaliers would’ve made the playoffs “easy” last year without lebron. are you serious? lebron is a one man show who has to play 40 mins/game for them. no I don’t believe the heat would make the playoffs if they didn’t have dwyane wade either, both the cavs and the heat at the bottom of the eastern conference without them.

    secondly, you’re hating on lebron for not getting past the cavs, but what about the heat? they couldn’t even get past the first round? and then you say dwyane wouldn’t let one man stop him? so tell me what happened in the series against the hawks last year? Lebron was not shut down by pietrus, look at his stats, he averaged over 33 ppg i think. i know stats don’t say everything, but Lebron can only do so much for the cavs. if you’re a second option on an elite playoff team, you can’t falter in big playoff games, as mo williams and delonte west did.

    it’s ok to disagree whether who’s better b/w the two, but saying the cavs are easily a playoff team without lebron is just ridiculous. and hating on him for not single handedly getting past the magic in the eastern conference finals is too because dwade’s team didn’t fair too well in the playoffs, they busted in the first round

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      are you looking at what wade did? he got a rookie pg and another rookie that is cant play defense and they played against the same team that gave boston problem the year before. come on wade did his best to carry them but he cant score 100 against a young team that isnt sorry. that should show you who got the better team.

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    I 100% agree with u on that one good job ig..

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  • #216969
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    unaznized
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    i don’t understand, how does your statement of dwyane wade doing his best against atlanta prove that he is better than lebron?

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  • #216971
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    Blazermann
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    your a big ass hater i can unstand u thinkin wade is better but your just hatin shut up!!!!!

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  • #217069
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    LeBron has won more games then Wade. Or if you wanna put injuries into it, wins per games played and I know for a fact that LeBron’s team a few years ago is not better then the roster the Miami Heat had this year and they still did work in the playoffs. Wade has won how many series w/o Shaq? LeBron has won how many with no one? LeBron is a winner, Wade championship is so damn overrated. What has he done in the playoffs other then that?

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
    If you can’t see it, it projects the Cavs to lose more games with Wade the LeBron. Barely but still argues my point.

    And don’t you dare say Wade was the entire reason the Heat improved this year, everyone says that but it’s crap. They got Jermaine O’Neal, Mario Chalmers, Michael Beasley and James Jones plus DaeQuan Cook had a year to improve.

    Mo Williams, West, Wally S, Varejao, Big Z vs. Chalmers, Jones/Cook, Beasley, Haslem, O’Neal. You can’t tell me that the Cavs lineup would dominate, not at all. Pretty equal if you ask me with the Heat dominating the frontcourt.

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    The Cavs lineup would win. Are you serious? Beasley, O’Neal and Haslem vs. Wally,Big Z and Varejao would be a push..no domination there. And Mo Williams and West would be the better backcourt.

    How can you say Wade’s championship is overrated? What does that sound like? Are you saying that is overrated because Lebron James doesnt have one?

    The Heat has very serviceable players that shouldn’t be starters. Jermaine O’Neal is the only guy that was a true NBA-level starter of all the players you listed above, and he’s not even close to what he used to be. Wade was the biggest reason they won the games they did, I wont say the entire reason because that would be taking all production from his teammates away. He was the best player in basketball last season and he carried them on his back, because that was not a playoff team at all. They could’ve easily been the worst team in basketball without him.

    You cant say a player that hasn’t won anything is more of a winner than a person that has. It means nothing if you win the most games in the regular season and don’t win the Championship. That’s like climbing highest up a mountain at 1st, and then the person behind you gets to the top before you. I refuse to say the person who was highest at 1st is the winner over the person that actually climbed the mountain.

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  • #217189
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    It’s overrated because he hasn’t done anything since then in the playoffs. It could be a fluke of him playing that well for all we know. Umm Varejao and Wally suck so yeah Beasley would eat them alive. O’Neal, Chalmers and Beasley are all decent to good starters. Him being the best player in basketball is a joke, who would you rather have as guy to build around James or Wade? If you answer Wade, then I dunno, something is up. In one thing you said, he is a better scorer then James? You can’t prove that. Are you gonna go by scoring numbers? well James was more efficient, took less shots and I believe played less min. Wade had more turnovers, and gets every call except in Atlanta (glad someone can get it right). James got a ton of BS calls in the playoffs, I’ll give you that but Wade is benefitting from refs to score a lot of points. I honestly don’t know how anyone can say Wade is better then LeBron. He does nothing better but defend more consistently. That’s literally it.

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    Beasley would give up just as many points if not more when guarding Wally and Varejao. He wouldnt score any points down low against Vareajo either. He wasnt more efficient either. Chalmers is a backup PG, notice how many times he actually plays PG when Wade is on the floor. Hardly ever. He stands in the corner. Decent to good starters dont not play off the ball the majority of the time when they are PG’s. Beasley didnt even start for the vast majority of the season, and wasnt much of a standout when he came off the bench. Wade took more shots, but he still hit at a 49.1 % clip to Lebron’s 48.9 % clip. It’s very close, but Wade was more efficient. Wade also had more assists than him (7.5 to 7.2), and better defensive stats. The stats Lebron outdid him in last season was rebounding, 3 point percentage, and free throw shooting. Im not discussing the refs, sounds like excuses to me.

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  • #217213
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    Varejao against Beasley and your saying Beasley would be outmatched? You have got to be kidding. Wade had way more turnovers, that’s efficiency not .2 % better shooting percentage. You can take your combo guard, and I’ll take my guy who can play all 5 positions and build a good team around. The assist numbers are funny because Wade has the ball in his hands more then Bron and plays more but only won by .3, as a guard to LeBron being a wing.

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  • #217221
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    Beasley wouldnt score on him. Beasley has a hard time scoring down low on big, strong guys like that. And I would take LBJ if I had to start a team, because he’s younger. But I dont think he’s a better player, if not its a push.

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  • #217224
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    For one season and you have 5 average starters and a bad bench who would you add to your roster, LeBron or Wade, to win more games.

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  • #217235
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    JNixon
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    D Wade.

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  • #217237
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    Then there is no point in arguing based on opinions. We clearly disagree.

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