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- Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:16pm #21570
Brace94ParticipantWhy do European players get so much hype? I honestly dont remember the last Eurpean player who has an all around game besides Tony Parker. They can either just shoot, or they can pass. Absolutely no Europeans hit the weight room because they are too lazy to work hard. Maybe 2 out of 10 European players drafted end up being decent! so why would you draft one…
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:24pm #401158
wd40rocksParticipantAre you being serious?
“They can either just shoot, or they can pass. Absolutely no Europeans hit the weight room because they are too lazy to work hard”
GTFO.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:24pm #401172
wd40rocksParticipantAre you being serious?
“They can either just shoot, or they can pass. Absolutely no Europeans hit the weight room because they are too lazy to work hard”
GTFO.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:25pm #401161
getacombu sound like quite a racist. and tony parker doesnt even have a complete game, def. not a great shooter. and did u forget someone name Dirk or Manu or Steve Nash. They get hype bcuz they deliver.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:25pm #401174
getacombu sound like quite a racist. and tony parker doesnt even have a complete game, def. not a great shooter. and did u forget someone name Dirk or Manu or Steve Nash. They get hype bcuz they deliver.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:26pm #401165
JoeWolf1There is some risk in taking European players because of contract negotiations from their teams over seas, but 2 of every 10 are decent? You could say that about all players drafted. Out of 60 players drafted every season I’d say only 12-20 end up doing anything, only a handfull of second rounders even make a roster. I think your stereotypes of European basketball players are stuck in the 90’s. There are plenty of solid, balanced Euro players that do hit the weight room. I can’t tell if this is a joke post or not, or if you really just don’t watch basketball.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:26pm #401178
JoeWolf1There is some risk in taking European players because of contract negotiations from their teams over seas, but 2 of every 10 are decent? You could say that about all players drafted. Out of 60 players drafted every season I’d say only 12-20 end up doing anything, only a handfull of second rounders even make a roster. I think your stereotypes of European basketball players are stuck in the 90’s. There are plenty of solid, balanced Euro players that do hit the weight room. I can’t tell if this is a joke post or not, or if you really just don’t watch basketball.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:32pm #401183
Brace94ParticipantHow does that make me racist?! im just stating the facts. Just look at their arms. Dirk, Dragic, Manu, Parker, they are all sticks! if they hit the weight room more often then they could be way better than they already are!
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:32pm #401196
Brace94ParticipantHow does that make me racist?! im just stating the facts. Just look at their arms. Dirk, Dragic, Manu, Parker, they are all sticks! if they hit the weight room more often then they could be way better than they already are!
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:42pm #401195
JoeWolf1Are you just upset Rubio didn’t come over for Minny?
Manu is from Argentina, he’s a South American, I dropped a list of fat and buff Africans on bullsfan1212 the other day and now its your turn to feel the wrath of my list of big Euro basketball players
Marc Gasol
Kyrylo Fesenko
Sasha Kaun
Linas Kleiza
Boris Diaw
Mikeal Petrus
Ronny Turiaf
Mehmet Okur
Hedo TurkogluAgain just off the top of my head, this site has African skinny, Euro skinny, what next??
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:42pm #401208
JoeWolf1Are you just upset Rubio didn’t come over for Minny?
Manu is from Argentina, he’s a South American, I dropped a list of fat and buff Africans on bullsfan1212 the other day and now its your turn to feel the wrath of my list of big Euro basketball players
Marc Gasol
Kyrylo Fesenko
Sasha Kaun
Linas Kleiza
Boris Diaw
Mikeal Petrus
Ronny Turiaf
Mehmet Okur
Hedo TurkogluAgain just off the top of my head, this site has African skinny, Euro skinny, what next??
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:51pm #401211
llperezyou forgot marcin gortat joe wolf
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:51pm #401224
llperezyou forgot marcin gortat joe wolf
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:51pm #401205
mb666ParticipantDid you watch the FIBA championship? Four players that made the all-tournament team play in the NBA:
1) Luis Scola
2) Linas Kleiza
3) Hedo Turkoglu
4) Kevin Durant (MVP)Three of these played in the European game (Scola, Argentinian) and arguably have all around games… none are soft. I’m looking forward to watching Linas Kleiza. In Denver he was unable to showcase much of his talents and became a one-dimensional player (3 pt shooter). Those who saw him in Missouri University knew how talented he was.
Kleiza signed with the Toronto Raptors following a one-year departure to Olympiakos in Greece. He led the Euroleague (most competitive league) overall in scoring. He really honed his skills. Unfortunately he struggled against the U.S. Igoudala did a great job defending him and its tough to play a one-man iso game in Fiba play. Here’s some clips from his Greek days:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zagIaN-dT5U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhzKFHJiSLU&feature=relatedHe will have much greater freedom on Toronto because he will not be playing behind Carmelo Anthony.
Another guy you Ricky Rubio fans need to google is Milos Teodosic. Although he is older than Rubio, and far mare skilled. Teodosic is a 6″5 point guard who is deceivingly quick, tremendous passer and crafty ballhandler. What mostly separates him from Rubio is his shooting. Rubio has an edge on defense though.
NBA is a league of role players and a lot of guys are one-dimensional. Think of how many college players were all around players but stuck to their bread and butter professionally. Eduardo Najera was a beast on offense in Oklahoma. He used to shoot threes very well. It’s possible that you may be overlooking European players because your bias of them being “great shooters” overlooks what else they do. Most players in the NBA have a few roles. Only superstars excel in every part of the game.
Here is a list of international players in the NBA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_NBA_players
If given the opportunity, a few them can showcase skills that we aren’t aware of. On an American example, Amare Stoudemire is actually a decent 3 point shooter. But if you have several teammates that are even better 3 point shooters and your more efficient in the post, then its not wise, tactically, to wonder around the 3pt line. So although Amare may be a good 3 point shooter, he is motivated to stick to his guns and we don’t see that part of his game.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:51pm #401218
mb666ParticipantDid you watch the FIBA championship? Four players that made the all-tournament team play in the NBA:
1) Luis Scola
2) Linas Kleiza
3) Hedo Turkoglu
4) Kevin Durant (MVP)Three of these played in the European game (Scola, Argentinian) and arguably have all around games… none are soft. I’m looking forward to watching Linas Kleiza. In Denver he was unable to showcase much of his talents and became a one-dimensional player (3 pt shooter). Those who saw him in Missouri University knew how talented he was.
Kleiza signed with the Toronto Raptors following a one-year departure to Olympiakos in Greece. He led the Euroleague (most competitive league) overall in scoring. He really honed his skills. Unfortunately he struggled against the U.S. Igoudala did a great job defending him and its tough to play a one-man iso game in Fiba play. Here’s some clips from his Greek days:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zagIaN-dT5U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhzKFHJiSLU&feature=relatedHe will have much greater freedom on Toronto because he will not be playing behind Carmelo Anthony.
Another guy you Ricky Rubio fans need to google is Milos Teodosic. Although he is older than Rubio, and far mare skilled. Teodosic is a 6″5 point guard who is deceivingly quick, tremendous passer and crafty ballhandler. What mostly separates him from Rubio is his shooting. Rubio has an edge on defense though.
NBA is a league of role players and a lot of guys are one-dimensional. Think of how many college players were all around players but stuck to their bread and butter professionally. Eduardo Najera was a beast on offense in Oklahoma. He used to shoot threes very well. It’s possible that you may be overlooking European players because your bias of them being “great shooters” overlooks what else they do. Most players in the NBA have a few roles. Only superstars excel in every part of the game.
Here is a list of international players in the NBA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_NBA_players
If given the opportunity, a few them can showcase skills that we aren’t aware of. On an American example, Amare Stoudemire is actually a decent 3 point shooter. But if you have several teammates that are even better 3 point shooters and your more efficient in the post, then its not wise, tactically, to wonder around the 3pt line. So although Amare may be a good 3 point shooter, he is motivated to stick to his guns and we don’t see that part of his game.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:53pm #401217
Brace94Participantim so happy Rubio didnt come to the T-Wolves! he cant shoot worth crap and he is skinny as my arm back in 5th grade! he is going to want to get traded and i will be happy when we do! And there are “big” players like the Gasols and Turkoglu, but they are muscular big! thats my point! if they lifted then they could be that much better!
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:53pm #401230
Brace94Participantim so happy Rubio didnt come to the T-Wolves! he cant shoot worth crap and he is skinny as my arm back in 5th grade! he is going to want to get traded and i will be happy when we do! And there are “big” players like the Gasols and Turkoglu, but they are muscular big! thats my point! if they lifted then they could be that much better!
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:54pm #401219
JoeWolf1True that, I would not want to get in a street fight with that guy
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:54pm #401232
JoeWolf1True that, I would not want to get in a street fight with that guy
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:59pm #401231
JoeWolf1So what, Austin Daye and Kevin Durant are rail thin, its called genetics, Sasha Kaun, Linas Klieza, Marcin Gorat are all stacked. Some people build muscle easier and have greater genetic strength, not everyone can get a body like Lebron if they lift weights.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 1:59pm #401244
JoeWolf1So what, Austin Daye and Kevin Durant are rail thin, its called genetics, Sasha Kaun, Linas Klieza, Marcin Gorat are all stacked. Some people build muscle easier and have greater genetic strength, not everyone can get a body like Lebron if they lift weights.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 2:07pm #401237
Brace94Participantyes i know that JoeWolf1, but the fact that most Europeans are skinny that means that a lot of them dont lift as much as they should to get better. i know that Durant and Daye didnt lift as much as they should. if Durant lifted a lot more he could take Lebron any day. i know he wouldnt be as big as Lebron but he would be better.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 2:07pm #401250
Brace94Participantyes i know that JoeWolf1, but the fact that most Europeans are skinny that means that a lot of them dont lift as much as they should to get better. i know that Durant and Daye didnt lift as much as they should. if Durant lifted a lot more he could take Lebron any day. i know he wouldnt be as big as Lebron but he would be better.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 2:16pm #401243
JoeWolf1I hear what youre saying, and there is some truth to that, but in my opinion, you can’t really catagorize all European players into that group. Once a player signs with an NBA team they hit the weight room just like any American player on that squad. Do you think Goran Dragic doesn’t lift weights with the team while Robin Lopez and Jason Richardson are hitting the gym? I don’t know enough about European training to say that they do lift weights as much as Americans, but each player’s workout regimine in the NBA is suited around their abilities. The NBA is full of specialists and if you excell at shooting like Dirk or KD the trainer isn’t going to put you on a 3,500 calorie diet and try to put 3 inches on your biceps for fear of losing your shot. Some guys are naturally big and can get away with that, but others can’t. I know I kinda got off track, and I hear what you’re saying, but you could say a lot of the same things about various American players.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 2:16pm #401256
JoeWolf1I hear what youre saying, and there is some truth to that, but in my opinion, you can’t really catagorize all European players into that group. Once a player signs with an NBA team they hit the weight room just like any American player on that squad. Do you think Goran Dragic doesn’t lift weights with the team while Robin Lopez and Jason Richardson are hitting the gym? I don’t know enough about European training to say that they do lift weights as much as Americans, but each player’s workout regimine in the NBA is suited around their abilities. The NBA is full of specialists and if you excell at shooting like Dirk or KD the trainer isn’t going to put you on a 3,500 calorie diet and try to put 3 inches on your biceps for fear of losing your shot. Some guys are naturally big and can get away with that, but others can’t. I know I kinda got off track, and I hear what you’re saying, but you could say a lot of the same things about various American players.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 2:17pm #401245
OrangeJuiceJonesParticipantEDIT: Wow, this computer is beyond slow. My bad, JoeWolf. I didn’t see your comment already.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 2:17pm #401258
OrangeJuiceJonesParticipantEDIT: Wow, this computer is beyond slow. My bad, JoeWolf. I didn’t see your comment already.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 3:19pm #401283
goneParticipantLol Joewolf always comes with the list now hit this curveball all white men are unathletic and cant dunk and cant play defense
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 3:19pm #401295
goneParticipantLol Joewolf always comes with the list now hit this curveball all white men are unathletic and cant dunk and cant play defense
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 3:28pm #401291
JoeWolf1OH SNAP! Wizkid…here we go again
Tom Chambers (dunker)
Chase Budinger (dunker)
Brent Barry (dunker)
Chris Anderson (both)
Jon Brockman (dunker)
AK47 (defense)
Kirk Hinrich (defense)
John Stocton (defense)Now please don’t say Inuits can’t dunk from the free throw line
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 3:28pm #401303
JoeWolf1OH SNAP! Wizkid…here we go again
Tom Chambers (dunker)
Chase Budinger (dunker)
Brent Barry (dunker)
Chris Anderson (both)
Jon Brockman (dunker)
AK47 (defense)
Kirk Hinrich (defense)
John Stocton (defense)Now please don’t say Inuits can’t dunk from the free throw line
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 3:34pm #401298
goneParticipantNo Rex Chapman he was in the dunk contest if my memory is good
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 3:34pm #401310
goneParticipantNo Rex Chapman he was in the dunk contest if my memory is good
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 3:36pm #401300
JoeWolf1Yeah he was, you’re right, I forgot about him. Another Kentucky guy Jeff Shepard had some hops too, I think I remember hearing he was a 7′ high jumper too.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/14/2010 - 3:36pm #401312
JoeWolf1Yeah he was, you’re right, I forgot about him. Another Kentucky guy Jeff Shepard had some hops too, I think I remember hearing he was a 7′ high jumper too.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/15/2010 - 3:31am #401533
Mr.Basketball23Participantjoe alexander
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/15/2010 - 3:31am #401542
Mr.Basketball23Participantjoe alexander
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