Philly apparently is making Evan Turner available, per hoopshype. What do you think they want? also, do you think Atlanta can send them Josh Smith and Marrow for Turner and Hawes? Philly lost Richardson for the year, and Marrow will replace him. Also, Smith and Marrow are close with D12, so they can pursue him if Bynum doesn't resign.
Doesn't make much sense to me. From the outside, it seems like the kid is having a great year. If a philly fan has perspective, i'd like to hear but i'm wondering if it's a fit issue or just trying to sell high. I would just chalk it up to the rumor mill and hit the ignore button
I think its too early for trading him. Bynum hasn't played with the 76ers yet, so we havent seen their full potential. I understand trading guys while they are hot, but Philly isn't quite in rebuilding mode. Oh and sorry for nitpicking but its spelled Morrow.
Maybe the 76ers front office thinks Turner is overperforming this season and he's reached his ceiling, so they want to squeeze the most out of him before the hype goes down. I'm not saying this is true... just an option.
I think it's more like Turner hasn't met their expectations after being given a larger role with Iguodala gone. He's rebounded and passed well but his scoring has been so inefficient. He hasn't taken a big enough leap. I'm not sure there is much hype for a guy who, before cracking double-digits in points against the Bobcats, scored in single-digits for four straight games and shot like 25 percent from the field. I don't think they consider him a long-term piece and want to get someone for him since he's going to be up for an extension in the next two seasons.
I have not watched a lot of Philly, but would a true PF (One of Utah's) be a realistic option and pushing Thad Young to the 3 spot?
I have to admit, at first glance I find it hard to understand why Philly would entertain this idea.
The only thing I can come up with is cap related. 12/13 $5,293,080 13/14 $6,679,866 (14/15 $8,717,225 Q.offer)
Looking ahead, Philly may not want to make a qualifying offer of almost 9 mil to Turner at the end of the 13/14 season when Holiday, Thaddeus Young and perhaps a resigned Bynum will be making around $40mil per.
Philly may not view Turner worthy of the Q.offer and waiting will only diminish their position in trade talks.
I think trading Evan Turner for me and maybe a couple draft picks might be best for both teams. That would allow the sixers to move Jrue Holiday for some premier post talent, in case Bynum doesn't resign/return from injury
Jrue has been their most solid player all season. Why move him?
Would anyone consider a Harrison Barnes/ET swap? Just wondering what your opinion is even though the Warriors may seem to be fond of Barnes. I just like the way ET's play making can compliment the team I think. Just my opinion.
As someone who has to watch this team 82 times in a season, I had been coming to this conclusion as of late. I REALLY REALLY wanted him to succeed. I still do. He was amazing in college and I see the flashes of this guy being such a complete player. But just look at his last 5 games points wise and this why it's getting frustrating to support him: 27, 6, 8, 4, 2.... Good all around game but man, this guy can get very frustrated when shots aren't falling. He always has countless possessions where he dribbles and dribbles and dribbles and makes a bad play/forced shot. Had he been a lower pick, I could tolerate his numbers. But as a #2 pick, I kind of am being selfish in hoping he would be a more consistent offensive threat.
Maybe he needs a change of scenery too. Him and Coach got in a little heated moment in a game this season and its been well documented that Collins was a little hestitant in ET anyways (except for the playoffs last year and this season). I still think he is capable of being a consistent 18-20 ppg but I don't think it will be in a Philly uniform.
Philly should have took the Favors/Turner swap that was offered last year
Are you kidding me? Favors is useless, he has literally zero jumper. His skills wouldn't really help the sixers out with Bynum in the mix. ET has way higher value, If Jason Kidd could become a dead-eye shooting I don't see why he can't
Here it is: Doug Collins and Evan Turner hate each other, simple as that. They might act like they are cool occasionally but it becomes obvious what their relationship really is once you watch the team consistently. So who goes? Collins is loved in the city by almost all fans so firing him would be a tough thing for the ownership to do, plus you don't get anything in return when you fire a coach. Turner is a Buckeye which no one in the Philly area likes, he has a gay fish ya'llll attitude, still has good trade value, and for the third season in a row he is having a tough time fitting into the offense.
That being said, what does everyone think Turner would be worth? This is a real tough this to judge about your hometown team's players imo. I personally think he would be a pretty good fit in Minnesota or Memphis, but neither team has any good trade assets (minus Kevin Love).
I never noticed them hating each other one bit, I watch EVERYGAME and a die hard fan. Never noticed it. Where do you get that from, Doug always praises him and his versatility. I don't want either to leave.
Dude dont be an idiot, Favors impact on the defensive end is extremely good and if he was useless than why is Utah going to give Jefferson and Millsap the boot? Evan Turner doesn't have much of a jumpshot either. Philly needs a true 4 that can rebound and defend the paint.
" ....If Jason Kidd could become a dead-eye shooting I don't see why he can't"
Our definitions of a dead-eye shooter must not be the same.
A jumper is the easiest thing to improve on in basketball, anyone whose played would be able to know that much obvs I'm an NBA player I know these things. All it takes is practice and form correction. ET has all the other qualities of a quality NBA wing, definitely wouldn't want to see the sixers let him go for some Utah scrub
I dont want us to trade ET. Im a sixer die hard fan, and Et is my second fav player besides Kobe. That being said, if we do trade him, i would want either big that Utah does not use really. Maybe Et, Hawes and a 2nd for Kanter and Burks. My sixers are not gonna win anytime soon. I want us to Hire Timmy Legler and hopefully get Bynum back, because Collins is not the type anymore and we need to build around jrue and et
Moving Turner would be a shock given they moved Iggy to allow Turner to take on a bigger role as much as the move brought Bynum in. The idea to get a PF in would perhaps be logical but I don't see Utah wanting to give up Favours any time soon.
I think we need to see this Philly team with Bynum in place before we know where they really stand, okay this season has been a disappointment but they have lost Iggy and Brand from last year and with Bynum have had to rely on a young roster.
Also a lot could depend on what Bynum decides to do and who Philly can get in the draft. If they do resign Bynum and Nick Young then they would be over cap level so any other signings would only be roster spot guys.
Why does this trade make sense for both teams? Well the Jazz get a former 2nd pick in Evan Turner and fills the void for their shooting guard position. I think that Turner will benefit with playing with the ball more in his hands and Mo Williams can play off the ball. For the Sixers you get a legit PF ever since Brand left the Sixers. Millsap gives them another aspect of rebounding and a player who can shoot the ball as well.
I still believe Evan Turner will be a quality player. As a pistons fan I would happily give up this years lotto pick for him, even if we had to throw in another small trade asset to get the deal across the line....
I agree I would like him in a pistons uniform. I would give up stuckey and Max for him. Before we try going after Evan Turner, I would see what the Pacers are offering for Danny Granger, obviously Paul goerge is having a career year and the pacers are better off without Granger. I would trade Max and Stuckey for Granger. We would get another go-to scorer who can score inside and out. Pacers get another scoring punch off the bench and another tough nosed player in max. But again, if we can't get a granger, Turner would be nice.
If the 6ers can get a lotto pick or a starting caliber big in a trade, then they'd win the deal. Evan Turner is nothing special at all. I don't even think his value is that high since the luster of him being the #2 pick has worn off. Statistically, he's pretty much the same player as last yr. The only difference is that he's playing more minutes and shooting low volume 3's at a better %. If he's really on the market, 6ers better hope they can find a sucker front office that doesn't use advanced metrics because those stats show exactly what kind of impact Turner really has on games.
If a deal is done with Utah then in my mind Al Jefferson should be the player that Philly chase if we assume that Favours and Kanter are off the board, my only issue would be could Jefferson and Bynum work effectively as a tandem as they both play in the paint.
Also with the likes of Detroit as mentioned above looking for a replacement for Prince and also Cleveland and maybe Washington looking for a swingman then Philly could have other trade opportunities to look at. But I would doubt that anything would go down until nearer draft day when everyone knows their exact draft positions and have had a chance to access talent.
Philadelphia gets: Al Jefferson, Corey Maggette, two or three first round picks
Indiana gets: Spencer Hawes, Evan Turner, Will Bynum
Detroit gets: Danny Granger
Utah gets: Thad Young, Jason Richardson
The 76ers would have $50 million coming of the books with Jefferson, Maggette, Bynum, Young, Pargo, Wilkins, and Ivey. They'd have more than enough for this up coming offseason. They could resign Bynum or Jefferson or both and still have enough left over to fill out a good team. Plus they could land at least two first round picks in this deal. I think Utah and Indiana would be the two to give up their picks to Philly, unless Detroit were to give up a conditional first rounder, say like a top 5 protected pick this year. Then maybe the 76ers could land 3 picks from this deal, since Utah and Indiana's picks will likely be around 18-25 range.
Indiana adds depth at the C position behind Hibbert in Hawes and add more guard depth with Bynum. But the key is adding Turner for Granger. If you're running a franchise, would you want a SG/SF tandem of Turner/George or George/Granger for the long run. I think most would agree with Turner and George.
Detroit only gives up Maggette's expiring deal and Will Bynum to add Granger. I don't think there's any hesitation on their part.
Utah has a logjam at PF and C. They add a two wings in Young and Richardson, even though Richardson is hurt. I think Utah would do this deal.
The main question is would Philly be willing to give up Turner and Young. If you ask me, I think they should. Turner and Young are great pieces to have, but their not going to single handedly make you a championship contender. If the 76ers don't make a major move, I think are going to get stuck in what I used to consider "Rockets Territory," where you're too good to get a top 10 pick, but you're not good enough to make any noise in the playoffs.
I like the deal but have to wonder would Philly give up Thad Young as well as Evan and the Pacers with Kevin Pritchard running things would really want to chase Turner and so would Detroit and even Utah. But there are some really good parts to that deal such as Hawes going to the Pacers, with Hawes 3 point range and more finesse game, he'd be a nice compliment to Roy Hibbert and could provide a PF option around David West or if West moves on.
Having to legit 7 foot plus guys at PF and C would give the Pacers a lot of size mismatches especially when you factor in George at SF.