Game 7, 5 seconds left, down by 2who do u want taking the shot
Kobe Just feels Comfortable with the ball the last few seconds and lebron is getting there but if you have watched basketball your whole lives you guys would notice that fouls are rarely called last second of the games....and guys like korver and berry are just not that clutch to hit those kinda shots.....and also ray allen is a player that if he struggled throughout the game he will miss that shot...but ray ray is usually clutch so i will actually give him the shot over lebron "If" they were on the same team.......but gilbert is another guy that should be mentioned he lives to hit game winners...but i just don't trust him in the playoffs since he lacks real playoff dominance
stop drinking the Kobe cool-aid. The Black Mamba shoots 25% on end of game shots to win or tie. check 82games.com. he might have the "killer instinct" but the truth is he misses more often than any star in the game. Kobe's clutchness is a complete media creation, and i'm disappointed that astute basketball observers like yourselves continue to buy into it.
Kobe, Lebron, Ray allen, And Chauncey are good picks. I think Kevin Durant will be here when he gets a good team.
I would pick Carmelo right now. He has hit more big shots in the past few years than anyone else I can remember. He has the size similar to Lebron but is a better shooter ala Kobe Bryant. What do you think?
it really depends on the circumstances...if you can get the ball to him why not go with Yao who's shot is unguardable? if it's ball at the top of the key, who's gonna give you the best chance to win, then it's gotta be Lebron because he can beat you in so many ways. if its a 20 foot contested jumper, which is often the case, can't argue with Kobe. if it's a 3, gotta go with Ray. it really depends...
i didntr check kobes but i did check jordans and his was 30percent so you percentage only has merit by the number aspect but if you go by that you might pick somone like big baby since his is 100percent..most stars will be lower because they take more game winning shots then the average or below average player
Every stereotype and cliche is based off of something that is the truth. And there are a lot of factors that can interfere with that 82games.com stat. If you have only shot 5 game winning or tying shots and made 2, of course your numbers are going to look better than Kobe's because he has probably shot countless game deciders. I think once LeBron has played as many games as Kobe, that stat will start to level out, and show who really is the best clutch player.
i get what you're saying, but the stats are taken from the same sample size. a 5 year period. that should be enough, right? i'll admit, when Kobe gets hot, he shoots daggers. He seems to hit back-breaking shots that put games out of reach. but the idea that he is great at the end of games or hits a lot of game winning shots isn't accurate. in reality he shoots a lower percentage than most star players and wont pass. if i'm out of line here please let me know.
DHAMP...basketball's version of Rush Limbaugh.
The stats will certainly even out...I used to watch Jordan all the time, and he sure as hell missed a lot of game-winning shots as well. I think that's the point. Neither Jordan nor Kobe nor Lebron are as clutch as we think...they are just good 1-on-1 players over the course of an entire 48 minutes, meaning you probably want the ball in their hands for a crucial possession and hope they will make a smart decision, whether that be pass the ball or shoot it themselves.
Just wondering if you actually read that 82games.com article? There are actual numbers in the article if you want to review them.
Personally, I take Lebron or D-Wade with the ball because I trust them to at least either get to the hoop or find an open teammate, whereas I think Kobe settles for the contested jumper far too often, although, as you know, he obviously can make those from time to time.
Even when I read the article, I still really don't like the criteria it includes. When I think of clutch, I think 2-5 seconds left and you actually have to make the shot or you lose. And when I go by those standards I want Kobe shooting the ball. Because I only remember 1 "true" LeBron game-winner, and that was this year at Golden State. I'm not trying to take anything away from LeBron, I would just choose Kobe in a "true" win or lose situation.
Kobe Bryant is a TERRIBLE, ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE CHOICE.
It still boggles my mind that people would want the ball in his hands for a last second shot.
Check out game winning shot statistics.
http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm
Kobe Bryant is 14-56 lifetime. 25%. Would you want him with the ball in your hands, giving you a 1 in 4 chance of winning.. HELL NO.
The correct answer is Carmelo Anthony 13-27 lifetime, which is 48% or Hedo Turkoglu 8 of 16 which is 50%. Antanw Jamison is 9 of 16 lifetime.
Kobe shouldn't even be getting the ball on his own team. Pau Gasol is 8 of 16 lifetime, at 50%. Which is TWICE as good as Kobe.
Kobe, these guys bring in these weak stats that mean NOTHING. If you want a funny story, I'm 1/1 in game winners in my life, however I'm still taking Kobe. Fact is, Kobe can get HIS SHOT better than anyone in the league. Stats don't entail the situation at hand, they tell statistics, you don't know the entire circumstance. To many Jordan nutriders in this world. Kobe is simply the best!!!
What story doesn't it tell?
Kobe's taken 56 game winning shots in his career. He has made a paltry 13 of them.
this video explains everything
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqcgy6xLrEM
Jordan was terrible too..30%
There ego's are too big and they want to shoot it no matter what, so they'll take a spinning fade away jumper that will inevitably clank off the rim instead of passing it up. And teams KNOW this. That's why they'll double team instead of guarding the other players.
you act as though Kobe has hit all types of "true gamewinners". from my recollection i've seen Vince Carter and others hit a lot more of those than Kobe. Heck, Lebron doesnt even play in 4th quarters. lol...you Kobe guys should forget what you think you know and understand what is really happening on the court. truth is there are guys in the league who are more reliable to hit "true gamewinners", "false gamewinners", and all other types of gamewinners.
i dont think Kobe gets his shot any easier than Lebron, Arenas, VC, Melo, T-Mac etc...he hits more tough shots than anyone, but any one of these guys and many more can get the shot they want. and why is Kobe's shot always a 20 foot jumper? thats not too hard a shot to get.
I never said Kobe hits everything, I would just choose him based off of his body of work. I actually like Lebron more than Kobe. And I wouldn't choose Vince because he had his chance in a game 7 with 5 seconds left.....And missed lololol. Is there a problem with me choosing Kobe? You act like he is the worst ball player on Earth.
nothing's wrong with you choosing Kobe at all, but if anyone tries to tell me that its a no-brainer because he is the proven best clutch player in the NBA, i'm going to tell them they're lying and i'm going to tell them why. its comes across as me hating Kobe because i'm constantly being told that Kobe is the most clutchestest (lol) and i'm constantly having to support my opinion. i dont even know anything about this so-called body of work. lol...maybe i do just hate Kobe...(believe it or not i used to hate him much more. when he ratted on Shaq i wanted to personally put a bullet in him. freakin coward!)
According to what I'm hearing, Kobe has only hit 14 game winners. That might be true, but if it is, then that just shows how innaccurate that stat represents how clutch a player is. Clutch refers to how many plays and shots you make over the course of the final 2-3 minutes of a close game, And I can gaurantee you that Kobe has made countless plays over the final couple minutes of close games that don't officially count as "game winners". There is not a GM in the league that would answer this question with anyone other then Kobe, but 82games.com proves they don't know anything right? Yeah Hedo is 50% according to the stats so he cr.aps all over Kobe and Jordan as well right? LOL.
"And I can gaurantee you that Kobe has made countless plays over the final couple minutes of close games that don't officially count as "game winners"."
Well, I guess I'll take the llperez guarantee over the official stats. I'm sure he's also made his share of turnovers, and taken his share of bad shots.
Of course you'd give the ball to Kobe over Hedo on the last possession. He is one of the top-5 players in the league, and should be able to create or draw a foul (he just won't pass...) That doesn't change any when you get to the fourth quarter. His ability to score and create is exactly the same as it was in the first 45-46 minutes of the game, no better, no worse.
This 82games.com article just shows that Kobe is not the "clutch" Black Mamba that you might think him to be.
You Kobe fans are so defensive.
when it comes to being a fan of Kobe or anyone else. Plain and simple, Kobe takes tough shots at the end of the clock all the time. He just did it in game 3 against the Jazz where they gave him the ball 33 feat from the basket fading away with a man in his face. That counts against his "clutchness" while numerous shots at the end of games that he has hit are considered irrelevant according to 82games.com. Those same stats that you claim to disprove Kobe's ability to be clutch also show that Hedo Turkoglu sh.its all over Michael Jordan when it comes to being clutch. If you can't see the error in your clutch stats, then you don't know anything about real basketball. Trust me, I've played my entire life and gone heads up against numerous NBA players, and Kobe is the most clutch player there is in the game today hands down. But you just keep reciting your "stats" that prove how much he sucks. Meanwhile, he will be playing in the Finals for the 6th time of his career in another week.
...you are missing the point from this article.
I would never call Kobe a &$#%#&@! player. I grew up watching Jordan in the 90's. I know he missed as many "clutch" shots as anyone. I just think being "clutch" is an illusion. The best players will play well for an entire 48 minutes. They do not step up their game in the final 2-3 minutes of a game, the same way they do not step their game down in the first quarter. You give the ball to your best player in those final moments and hope he can make a play.
All this article does is disprove the notion that Kobe is far and away the best "clutch" shooter in the game. Lots of guys hit shots and make big plays in the final minutes of big games. We've all seen Steve Kerr, Ray Allen, John Paxson, Toni Kukoc and Robert Horry all hit huge shots as well.
The bottom line is I really don't care who takes the final shot. I care more about who makes the shots and the plays throughout the game that put their team up by 10, so I don't even have to worry about a final shot.
keep in mind why guys like Kerr, Allen, Paxson, Kukoc, and Horry were considered clutch. It's because guys like Jordan and Kobe drew the defense while they created the play and kicked it out to those other guys. I love Horry, but give him the ball and ask him to create a play at the end of the clock and he would never approach anything close to Kobe's 25% shooting.
I beg to differ Perez. Horry took over game 5 or 6 against the Pistons in the Finals a few years back. It was mind boggling, he was driving and dunking, hitting 3's while people were in his face. But I'm with you, I would choose Kobe. We just have A LOT of guys who don't like to give Kobe his fair share.
Kobe gets more than his fair share. i think his "aura of clutchness" has far surpassed his actual accomlishments. the 82games.com stats just go to show that his clutch reputation is partly unfounded. even if the stats do not tell the whole story, you cannot ignore them, which seems to be what is happening with Kobe's backers.
are you gonna pick the superstar-Lebron,Kobe,Paul
or maybe
Mr.Clutch-Ray Allen, Chauncey Billups
or even
just the best pure outside shooters in the game-Brent Barry, Daquan Cook, Korver
Who do you guys want with the game on the line
Personally I'd pick Kobe-he MAY not be as overall talented as Lebron or as clutch as Allen, he may not be as good at the three as Barry but he has one thing these guys lack -killer instinct which is why I get him the ball in Game 7, with 5 seconds left, and down by 2
Please do not turn this post into a Kobe vs.Lebron debate just answer the question