I don't see a need to trade him unless he can't defend this year. If he's healthy this backcourt is hell to deal with
I might be in the minority..But i think the Wizards should trade Arenas if they can..
or bring him off the bench as the 6th man...Hinrich's maturity and defensive skills will aid Wall alot more than Arenas points...
That idea of him as a 6tH man is crazy. If healthy he's a all NBA guy. If not he's still better then Kirk and gives you a better chance to win. Varajeo is a much better defender then Amare but you don't start him over Amare because of defense. You do that if the guy is a average player or inconsistant(djones over jr smith) but not Kirk over a player the caliber of agent0
whut i mean is wall is the future of the franchise..arenas isnt the type of guy that you can depend on to be a leader...you wont want 2 immature and outspoken guys like arenas and blatche on your team at the same time..wall might defer too often to those guys when they're constantly yelling at him to get them the ball....
Wall's a tough guy. He won't have to be like: Please Mr. Blatche and Mr. Arenas...stop yelling at me.
He will make the plays he has to make. He will lead the team the way he has to. Similar to Derrick Rose and Ben Gordan.
^^^ ben gordon? lol
He shouldn't be a 6th man. He's still a superstar when healthy.
Why the urgency to trade Gilbert? Gilbert is an important component to Wall's development. If JW is going to lead a champion here at some point, he's going to do it surrounded by elite talent -- and the high usage, big egos that come with it. I don't see how it serves him to prematurely take Gilbert out of the equation so that Wall then has to shoulder an undue scoring/creating burden while he grows and learns the NBA game.
Wizards management has said countless times that they are keeping Arenas this season. As a new owner, you need to build trust with your fans, and saying that you're keeping him and then trading him would be lying and that's not a good start as a teams new owner.
We should move Arenas if given a decent offer though. I'm not opposed to keeping him if the premise is to rehab his trade value. If he proves to be a superstar at SG, then maybe I'll reconsider.
Huh. Agent zero has been a dependable leader so what are u talking about???? Did u forget about all he's done because of the gun thing? He did have a career before that incident remember
He still might be traded though... Especially if the Wizards are not winning by the all-star break. Being a die-hard Wizards fan and an owner of three Arenas jerseys, it pains me to say his era might be over in D.C. Teams that will probably be interested in him include: Charlotte, Cleveland, the New York Knicks and possibly Atlanta.
Thoses teams are not gonna want that contract (like 20mil a year). I can't think of a reason why any of thoses teams would take that contract(two or three more years) and who would they give up to match that contract
Gil is one of my favorite players of all-time, and no matter what happens, I'll still love him(no homo) and will follow him on whatever team he goes too.
@Da1pot I don't think the Wizards goal is to win this season, even though they have the roster to do so. I think there main goal is to develop their young players. They want to see if Wall can step right in an start producing and become the leader of this team right off the bat. They want to see if Blatche can put up all-star numbers for a full season. They want to see if McGee can carry all the momentum he's gotten in the summer into the regular season. They;ve always been too worried about winning now and it has constantly backfired. An example of this is when they traded the 5th pick for Mike Miller and Randy Foye, who they only had for one year. There are even more examples of this but it would take me forever to post all of them.
The Wizards might just be keeping him until the trade deadline to increase his trade value, or they might really be telling the truth and will certainly keep him. Nobody knows. If he returns to all-star form and him and Wall take the league by fire, then I have no problem keeping him. But, if he isn't the same player he once was or we get an offer we can't refuse, then I say trade him.
Maybe the ownners goal isn't to win but the coachs goal is to win. He will put the players out there that give him the best chance to win. I'm sure developing players is a goal but not over winning. That's how coaches get fired, trying to develope players above winning. Actually I take bs k the first part. The owner wants to win as well. If developing young players cost the teams wins then I'm sure he will let it be known to the coach that he wants the guys who will give them a better chance at winning to play
Gilbert is the only proven scorer on the team why trade him then other players are gonna try and do to much and then were really gonna have problems
I think the Wiz need to stick with Arenas. If they trade him at this point the value is so low considering his upside. If Arenas returns to form he and Wall will be lethal. People forget that Arenas and Hughes teaming up where the best pressure D tandem in 04. Wall and Arenas can easily replicate that. I read an article recently that Caron would like to come back to DC next year as a FA if the opportunity presents itself. That's a hell of a lineup with Wall/Arenas/Butler/Blatche/Mcgee and Hinrich, Yi, Seraphin, and Booker off the bench. Even if Butler doesn't come back Josh Howard could surprise some people this year, him or Thornton.
Seems like people over value Arenas on here. Arenas can light up the scoreboard on any given night, but the guy is a high volume shooter, high possession high turnover guy. He's not known for any type of defense and I think if we have learned anything, that smallish backcourts are a big disadvantage unless maybe it's a 2nd unit combination. I think you move him if he's playing well at the trade deadline and you can get something for him. He makes way too much, but I do see him being on his best behavior this year. I could be wrong, but in that case he would just be a complete idiot, more so than he already is for brandishing guns at a co-worker. Personally, I think the Wizards need to worry about building this thing into a great team. They have some nice pieces and some guys with real upside, so what's wrong with moving an overpaid, no defense playing, injury prone headcase? Especially if you could get some more young talent in return.
Who do y'all think will take his contract. Especially after the labor talks. Other teams have already been asked about his contract and all if them said they wouldn't even think about touching it. His talent isn't the question. The 20mil a year is though
on his best behavior? How Many years has he been in the leauge? How many bad incidents has he had? This isn't Rasheed Wallace or Xavier mcdaniel. When he's at his best he is one of the best players in the NBA so how is that overvaluing him? I guess all those basketball people,coaches, and fans don't see what you see
not saying the wiz are title contenders but how tall is Eric snow and iverson? Was iverson a high volume scorer?
How tall is zeke and Joe dumars?
Small backcourts can work. Of course you rather have a tall backcourt though
Zeke was 6-1 and Dumars was 6-4
If I'm a NBA team, I'm not touching that contract. If he was bought out, Yes but I highly doubt any team would look to get that contract on the payroll.
nobody can ever put up a trade idea without getting negged. this trade made sense on a few levels to me a tleast
did anyone else notice how weird it was that charlottes projected win total was at -5 with the loss of nazr mohammed and the addition of mike bibby
is bibby that bad? this could be the end of his career
Lol Don't take the trade thing literally. It's just an opinion. They don't know bibby would make them
Double Dribbler why would you call Arenas a high possession high turnover guy. As a career PG his career TO per game is only 3.34. Dwayne Wade 3.71 TOpg, LBJ 3.29 TOpg, Monta Ellis 3.81 TOpg, Steve Nash over 3.3 TOpg for 6 straight seasons. Deron Williams 3 TOpg, Kevin Durant 3.3 TOpg, and most of these guys aren't even full time PG's like Arenas was. I think you are overrating his turnover troubles. Once he moves to a more off guard role his turnovers should be under 3 a game compared to a Dwade or Monta who are over 3. I don't think it's crazy to say that when healthy he's a top 10 pound for pound scorer in the NBA. He averaged near 30 ppg twice in his career. I really do think that this Wall/Arenas combo can work out. In the 32 games Arenas played last year in which he did play off ball a lot because they wanted Boykins at the point he averaged 22.6 ppg, 7.2 apg, 4.2 rpg. I'd expect similar numbers this year except for the assists being around the mid 4's. I think a guard rotation of Wall, Arenas, Hinrich, and Young is very strong since 3 of them can play PG and Hinrich can guard some 2 guards. We all forget that Wall will have up's and downs. He won't be in there 35 minutes a game every night. They will be able to slide Gilbert to the point when Wall is out. I agree that defensively Arenas will struggle against some 2 guards but with good defensive rotation it shouldn't be a huge problem especially since Wall can help D and cover ground so fast. Half of the PG's in the NBA you can lay off anyways so Arenas will never be on an island alone with an elite perimeter player. Not to mention with all the bodies in Blatche, Mcgee, Yi, Booker, Seraphin, and Armstrong they can actively attack drivers.
I love you deal man. Also I don't think Wall and Arenas will be the best fit and they will wind up dealing Arenas after this season if they can. My thing is would ATL make this deal and take on Arenas' contract.
Yup taking on Arenas would seal Horford not coming back, although they are screwed financially in the future anyways because of the JJ contract but they could get Arenas and trade Horford this year for a legit center. Still though ownership is too much of a mess to take on an Arenas contract and pay a big luxury tax every year.
Hat team would give up a so called legit center forhoryford He made the allstar team as a center so a legit center would have to be a all NBA center right since a allstar center isn't a legit center
He's a natural 4. And there is no center with the Hawks. Him and Smith rotate guarding centers. The Achilles heel will always be the magic and Horford simply gets abused by Dwight. He is a great hustle guy but he struggles with taller guys. Even Kurt Thomas gave him fits in the first round.
But he's a allstar at the five on a good playoff team so he is a very legit center. The only reason you can say he's a natural four is because his height which isn't right big that's the case Barkley is a natural sg. As well as chuck Hayes. If you can be effective or a allstar at the position you play then you are a legit
Tyson Chandler is 7feet and a legit center but he's not a better center then jortford so does it make sense to trade the two just to get a "legit center?
would be great for the Wizards to move Arenas.
Good deal for the Bobcats as well.
The Hawks they would have the most expensive back court in the league.
Did somebody mention Arenas in the same breath as Iverson... Thats crazy, Arenas is past his prime at a relatively early age... Making the money he makes he is waaaay overated... A Wall/Arenas backcourt is nowhere near a Thomas/Dumars backcourt (one of the greatest defensive backcourts EVER)... IMO the Wizards should unload Arenas at their first chance.. Arenas is one of the most inefficent players ever... 42% from the field and 34% from three point land... You cant WIN with a player like that...
Dang, This post is popular. Anyway, the Wizards should keep Arenas at least until the trade deadline. Yes, Wall is the future of the wizards, but he is still generally young, and needs veteran presences like Arenas to help him mature and develop his game more. Remember Wall's shot is not that great. He just has outstanding speed, leaping ability, and passing ability. He really is not a great scorer, so having a great scorer like Arenas alongside will help him grow and become a harder player to guard. I say keep Arenas, see if the chemistry works between the two and if it doesn't and you are losing a bunch as a result then by February trade him.
Look at the bulls for example, When they drafted Rose in 2008, many people rightfully said that he is the future of the franchise, not Heinrich. Yet the Bulls did not trade Heinrich right away. They kept him and moved him to the 2 guard, and it actually helped Rose more than hurt him. Wizards should do the same with Wall, and then once Wall has learned enough from Arenas and its time for him to move on than you can trade him. Not now, too early right now.