[dmo21Participant]

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/tnt_overtime/2010/12/09/20101209_inside_3.nba/

Charles Barkley believes that Griffin should not even be able to be in contention for ROY because he was still on an NBA team last year, yet he never played 1 second due to injury. His argument is because he learnt stuff by being on the bench and watching NBA players, which is understandable but guys learn more by actually playing.. Also, he said that last year his body had more time to develop and mature, but he is still younger than some rookies, and it’s like saying the difference between a FR and a SR coming out of college. But even if he did play last year, his body was better than most of the guys coming into or already in the league. By Barkley’s knowledge, would that have to be the same for Euro ballers because they have been playing at a higher level of ball against men rather than play college ball against guys there own age?

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

About Euro pro’s too, but, my bottom line is, who cares? If it is someones first year PLAYING in the NBA, than you are a rookie. I guess you could say Griffin had a redshirt year, still makes him a freshman seeing as it was his first year in the league. If you want to argue otherwise, suit yourself, but you might as well argue that chocolate and vanilla swirl is a better flavor than vanilla and chocolate swirl. That is an argument I know Chuck would be up for.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

But Blake Griffin DID play in the NBA Pre-Season.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

And he was getting paid for 1 year from the NBA as a professional.  So.. If he does get RoY.. is he going to pay the NBA that 5.6m he made in his first year? 

[scoutguruParticipant]

The thing I do agree with what Barkley said last night though was the fact that in the NFL, when a QB sits his rookie year, and then plays his second, he isn’t considered a rookie, because he was able to watch and learn, and be around the pro game, which kids coming outta college aren’t afforded the opportunity to have. So I guess to some degree, the same could be said of the NBA. But idk, its debatable both way. But I tend to agree, that maybe he shouldn’t be considered. Didn’t think about it that way til the QB point was made.

[Ghost01Participant]

Its just a stupid award. The important thing is, Griffin is an absolute monster, and is more valuable to his team than John Wall is.

[iguapops420Participant]

 Hmm. Have always been for allowing a player, who’s rookie year is missed to be considered a rookie. Somewhat similar to TJ Ford’s sohomore yr in the NBA when he took the first horrible fall that kept him out most of the year and they let him play when he came back in the rookie sophomre game. Bu tthis situation at the same time has a few circumstances that really change my opinion. Likethe poster above said, the man may have been injured, but he was being paid, and that alone is enough reason to qualify him as a sophmore. Not to even get into the learning development aspect like chuck said.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Charles Barkley has really started sounding more stupid.  I can’t believe he says this.  That would be the same knock on Jenning had he won it last year because he played one year overseas.  I have no problem with him being in the running for the award even though I know Wall should be able to pull it off if he can stay healthy or they could go with a tie but I doubt that happens.  Barkley is becoming one of those bitter ex players.

[Moon RiverParticipant]

You really cannot say Barkley’s argument is right or wrong.  It is a completely subjective argument at this point due to (to my knowledge anyway) a lack of what constitutes a Rookie, or eligible player for ROY.

The point is there has to be a definition of who is eligible to be awarded ROY or you can argue this anyway you want, or until the cows come home, until the fat lady sings or until Manu G sees a UFO.  Oh wait, he did.

[stealsgaloreParticipant]

Technically its the NBA rookie of the year award so Europeans and Jennings would be rookies because they never played in the NBA

Griffin technically played in the NBA (though only preseason) so I can see where Barkley’s arguments come from. 

[sheltwon3Participant]

Preseason is not the season.  Preseason games are basically a way for the NBA to get money during traing camp so that when the season starts players can show the best product.  Preaseason games do not even count towards the regular season.  Sometimes teams play against other countries or D league all Stars

[llperez]

i agree with barkley. This is not the same comparison as bringing up guys who played overseas becasue the point is roy is for your first year in the NBA. While blake didnt play last year, he went through the summer league, the preseason and had a whole year to learn the offense and get accustomed to the nba lifestyle and work on his body with nba trainers.

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 I see what he means but my goodness the kid can play. Give him his props. If he was playing last year, he would have won ROY guaranteed. I don’t care if Tyreke averages 20, 5,5. Averaging a double double as a rookie tops that. Charles says he learned alot while sitting on the bench, and thats true but we all knew that coming in to the league he was very polished so he already knew how to the post. Some of the things Charles says are really stupid. I bet he agreed with Kahn when he compared Darko to Vlade while C-Webb cried.

[llperez]

barkley wasnt dissing blake at all. He said he was hands down the best rookie in the nba. He just spoke his opinion on the fact griffin has been in the nba for a year. WHether you agree or not i dont think theres anything stupid about what he said.

[canada2482Participant]

I see where Charles is coming from, he is kinda a readshirt rookie, I mean he is a RAW BEAST if he was in the league 10years he still would be pretty impressive to me. Regardless if he was sitting out he was still in the NBA, I could go purchase his jersey from NBA.com last year if i wanted to. So in that sense maybe he shouldn’t have an opportunity to be in the ROY race. Who knows if he would be killing last year  (20 n 10 that is great there are like 4 guys who did that last year) like this year. there are no better trainers than pro trainers, the knowledge that he gained was invaluable, I am sure watch the games, pratice, film etc with this now being your job for a year compared to the guys who started really working on being pros after march madness would give you a mental advantage. He had an opportunity that no one else in the 2010 draft class was able to do. With the overseas thing, this is the league, cmon on it is not the same there are so many different leagues over there, levels, guys playing 15-20mins a game CMON with that

[DoubleNickelsDurr55Participant]

Blake should and will win the rookie of the year, who even listens to Barkley anyways? The man reads whatever is written on the teleprompter ( "I’m a Dumbass") Griffin not only will win ROY but he could very well be an all-star, the kid is a monster.

[DowJonezBFGParticipant]

Blake didnt sit out his rookie campaign because he chose to, he didnt have any choice, HE WAS HURT. I disagree whole-heartedly.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

And unlike a lot of rookies, Griffin took advantage of every single last opportunity he had to watch game film, train with NBA trainers, watch live games, etc.

He’s a better player now than he was last season, and by far too. Kind of gives him an unfair advantage, but I can see it from both angles.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

And unlike a lot of rookies, Griffin took advantage of every single last opportunity he had to watch game film, train with NBA trainers, watch live games, etc.

He’s a better player now than he was last season, and by far too. Kind of gives him an unfair advantage, but I can see it from both angles.

[QUINCEY HODGES1]

At first i was thinking barkley doesn’t make any sense but the more i thought about it the more sense it made. That one year of watching the team play,practice,working with the team trainers, is a very very big learning experience that is very valuable. Think about other jobs like being a doctor. you would know alot more if you finished medical school then followed a couple of doctors for a year compared to the guy coming in the next year who would be starting actual work at the same time as you would in that year

[QUINCEY HODGES1]

At first i was thinking barkley doesn’t make any sense but the more i thought about it the more sense it made. That one year of watching the team play,practice,working with the team trainers, is a very very big learning experience that is very valuable. Think about other jobs like being a doctor. you would know alot more if you finished medical school then followed a couple of doctors for a year compared to the guy coming in the next year who would be starting actual work at the same time as you would in that year

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