...with the 16th pick...
BJ Mullens, or any point guard
Mullens won't be as bad as you think, especially as a 16 pick role player, but I understand the thought. But what about the prospect of wasting the pick on a SG? They need a bigman, but there are no impact bigs after the lottery. I think the Bulls have toughest draft of anyone unless they can trade their pick(s) somehow for some meaningful frontcourt help.
Mullens seems like Eddy Curry all over again. He has all the POTENTIAL and SKILLS, but lacks the motivation and prior competition to put it all together.
Give me a PITTBull (DeJuan Blair) instead. If they have to trade up to get him, they should!!!
Mullins does seem like Eddy Curry all over again. All the physical talent in the world but doesn't give a crap. I am with you on Blair, but only NOT if the Bulls have to be very aggressive and trade up.
The Bulls take a Johnny Flynn. God, ridiculous. Or another Tyrus Thomas or Joakim Noah like big. No more tall small forwards who don't have any guard skills (Thomas) or professional basketball players who have worse form on their shot than my 3 1/2 year old daughter. I am serious by the way, she has better form than Joakim Noah. I like Thomas and Noah, but we don't need another one.
DeJuan Blair - Basketball Player
B.J. Mullens - Athlete
Hey Bulls Brass, there's a difference!!!
The Bulls have so many options especially with all of the trade rumors swirling around involving Hinrich, Gordon, and Deng. If they let go of Gordon, either through free agency or a sign and trade, I think they should look at Wayne Ellington. His numbers at the combine show that he has the athleticism to get to the rack and defend the 2. Also outside of Curry I think Wayne is the best shooter in the draft which will open up some drive and kick opportunities for D. Rose. If for some reason Hinrich and Gordon both stay then I think Blair is the pick if he is still available.
I am all over the map on who the Bulls will pick as well. I am leaning more and more towards Ellington, even though something about him doesn't make me happy. I don't know what he could possibly do to make me like him more, he was the best player on the court during the National Championship game, has great size and athleticism (which he just showed off at the combine), and can just shoot the lights out. Oh, and he fits in with Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Duhon, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, and Derrick Rose in that he was Final Four or better. John Paxson, who is still going to be the loudest voice in the draft war room over Gar Heard, is in love with successful, contributing players from college programs that succeed. That being said, Michael Jordan wants to fornicate with anyone from North Carolina.
I don't know where I stand on Ben Gordon either. I was at the double-overtime game that the Bulls won in Chicago. He was just ridiculous. But, as he always does, Ben showed everyone why he is both a blessing and a curse. When his shot isn't falling, he just keeps on jacking up shots. Look, I know that jump shooters have to keep hoisting them up there in order for them to provide what their team needs from them. Ben Gordon is in the lineup because he can score at will when he gets it going. But, he is also a 6'1'' shooting guard who doesn't even attempt to fight through screens and can't physically attempt lock down defense. Maybe that should be he physically can't fight through screens because of his size and doesn't even attempt to play defense. Yeah, that's it. With Wayne Ellington, the Bulls get a guy who could become a similar player to Gordon, would cost a significant amount less than Gordon, and is more physically gifted than Ben Gordon. His size alone is something that would give him and the Bulls an advantage defensively and wouldn't create the mismatches that Gordon creates (and not mismatches in the Bulls favor, either). Finally, I think that Ben Gordon is too far along as a player to adapt his game into what the Bulls want from him. The offense seems to center around him taking shots whether or not they are at the appropriate time or whether or not he is even in a positive position to get his shot off. He can't drive consistently on teams with any shot blocking presence in the lane so he is forced to take a few dribbles (although that move he has where he fakes picking up his dribble and then ducks under for a shot is impressive!) and then just fire off a fading rainbow. Also, what was more apparent as the series with Boston went along, he doesn't seem to understand that using the shot clock a little bit would prevent the opposition that extra shot attempt at the end of games. It actually made Vinny Del Negro look stupid (well, Vinny did that himself a couple of times, even though I personally like him) even when Ben would nail down an impossible shot in the clutch, he would just shoot it the second he had daylight. That would allow the Celtics another opportunity to get down the court, Ray Allen would drain another three, and the Bulls would be out of timeouts because VDN didn't think the Bulls would need another opportunity to get down the court and get another shot off. Two games out of the seven, Vinny was just blasted by the media for running out of timeouts. But, if Gordon would let the clock wind down to about 5 seconds instead of 18, that timeout wouldn't even be necessary! Sorry if this doesn't make sense, if you watched the Bulls-Celtics series closely though I think that you will understand.
My point is, maybe a guy who has similar shooting ability but also has the size to shoot over his defender could wait before shooting because he wouldn't have to take whatever opening his limited height would allow. I could be wrong, but it seems like Wayne Ellington has more of a team oriented mindset and would be willing to work with Derrick Rose's play-making ability more than Ben Gordon. Then, at 26, I see the Bulls taking one of the remaining small forwards, which actually falls in line with NBADraft.net and Aran's thinking in the new in-depth mock draft. Luol Deng has been injured too many times to be considered a reliable staple of the rotation. I don't think that the Bulls are going to take a PF, they have a big man rotation that already includes 2 guys still under their rookie salaries, and I don't see any centers worth drafting. BJ Mullens, who didn't play very well on a team that didn't do very well, doesn't seem to fit either the Bulls criteria or any of the critics' criteria (including mine). I think that my jaw would hit the floor if he is selected by the Bulls at #16, although maybe I would be ecstatic that Pax and Heard would break their unofficial "rule" of Final Four players for someone with the physical gifts B J Mullens displays. That would mean that he must have had a HELL of a workout. Plus, Brad Miller would be able to show him a little bit down in the post since he seemed to have an extremely positive effect on both Noah and Thomas. Now, at 26, I would LOVE to see Mullens go to the Bulls. But, my excitement would be subdued because it would probably mean that BJ had less than stellar workouts, causing him to fall nearly out of the first round.
What do you guys think?
Although Ellington is a pure shooter, Young isn't that bad. Plus, Young is more athletic and scrappier on defense, as well as rebounding. He grew up a Bulls fan and a Jordan fan, so I hope they find a way to get him. All day, everyday, I would take Young over Ellington.
gordon can get his shot over anybody... ellington is good but he's way more catch and shoot... and i dont know if his defense is anything to write home about either.... ellington is soft
gordon wasnt wanted in chicago he was the last big free agent signed and only for 1 year his recent playoff succes would have made him an asset to trade but now hes a free agent and might leave because the team didnt want him and he wanted on other teams and i dont think signing gordon is a priorty no matter what the bulls say building a team around rose is top priorty fact
Gordon was and is wanted by the Bulls. He just wanted to be paid more money than the Bulls were willing to pay him. No other team in the NBA wanted to give him the money HE thought he was worth either. Gordon is an unbelievable shooter, but I don't know how many playoff teams from the playoffs this year would have him as a starting shooting guard making more than $10,000,000.00 to $12,000,000.00 that the Bulls already offered him. As a sixth man off the bench, instant offense, he would win the award (or at least be in the top 3) perennially. Even after his "amazing" playoff performance, I don't think that he will get what he thinks that he is worth on the open market. That being said, I do think that the Bulls will try to resign him. I think that he COULD be traded in a few years if the Bulls want to, because when teams are making a playoff run and lose one of their scorers to an injury, he would be a great guy to bring in. Building around Rose is THE top priority. The question that the Bulls have is if anyone else that they can acquire in the next couple of years (legitimately, I am not talking LeBron James) will be a better fit.
If they wanted hm why wait soooooooooo long to sign him??? before salmons came keep in fact gordon was the starter
so a 6-3 2gaurd and a 6-3 1 gaurd thats a short back court and from what i seen gordon can score but gives up points on the other end to easy so now u have a rookie besides a scorer that juss scores. If anything the playoffs was a coming out party for scoring bench playes they made alot of differences this postseason.The bulls celtics season may be the only reason chi is intrested in gordon if u really want a player and want to lock him down why sign him to a 1 year contract? Easy answer they didnt see him in the big picture but now things might have to change we juss have to see how things play out.
You know, this is funny. I all of the sudden find myself arguing for Ben Gordon all of the sudden, which is strange considering I agree with everything that you are saying. I don't really want Ben Gordon. I think that he hurts Derrick Rose's development, although I think Derrick might be good enough to where it doesn't really matter. Although you are giving Ben credit by sticking to his listed 6'3'', I think Derrick actually has him by a couple of inches and Gordon is about 6'1'' with shoes. The 1 year contract thing was just a qualifying offer because he was a restricted free agent, I believe. He accepted it because it allowed him to become an unrestricted, he earned a 1 year full no-trade clause, and the pay was pretty good. Oh, and I don't think that he was offered the kind of money that he thought he was worth. The Bulls offered him and Deng similar deals, but Gordon thought that he should be the highest paid guy on the team since he led the team in scoring for 4 years in a row. I can see his point, and I can see the Bulls point. They feel that they offered Gordon fair market value, and they don't want to overpay for both Deng and Gordon when neither player has even made an all-star team yet (if ever). I don't know if Ben Gordon, even after his pretty good playoff numbers, will get offered much more than what the Bulls have offered him.
That being said, I am on the fence. I don't know if the 2009 free agent or trade market offers a replacement for what Ben Gordon has brought to the Bulls over the past four years, so if Gordon leaves the Bulls might be a worse team. The Bulls would be really short on scoring if Gordon leaves, but with a huge free agent year coming after next season they might be able to just live with Salmons, Hinrich, and Rose in the backcourt for 2009-2010. I don't know what to think anymore and I guess this is where Paxson and Gar Heard are going to earn their paychecks.
Well i Think they should let him Go next year draft is going to be strong and they will clear cap space by doing so for 2010 even tho i think 2010 is overhyped or they can sign and trade for some future draft picks or a younger player. Beasley was the best fit in 2008 for the Chicago Bulls but they chose a franchise point gaurd in Rose cant blame them the front offices is getting things together i belive in the descions they make from here on out.
We should let BG walk. At the end of the game, the ball should be in Rose's hands. Kirk is the perfect backup guard to play behind/along Rose bringing defense and for a reasonable price.
We shouldn't overpay for an undersized, one-dimensional player who only scores in the 4th quarter.
And to stay on topic, I'd be a very sad panda if we went Hansbrough at 16. We need to draft Rose a weapon, not a bench player with no post moves.
Why lose him for nothing?
If we can s&t I would do that too, yeah. I just don't want to pay BG big money, and however we go about avoiding that, it will be smart.
I love watching BG catch fire and all but his asking price is just too high.
Only way BG would sign with the bulls for a sign and trade would be if and only if a trade deal is agreed upon by both the Bulls and BG. BG would have to agree to be traded to whatever team it is, otherwise he has no need to sign with Chicago.
Only reason Chicago should sign BG for a sign and trade is if they will get an all-star caliber player out of it, or expiring contracts. I dont want to take on mediocre players with long contracts.
I want BASKETBALL PLAYERS (DeJuan Blair, T-Will, and/or Sam Young) on the Bulls not ATHLETES (B.J. Mullens).
i would hate if they draft Blair...he cant defend his own position...which will make us double team all the time....he is a less skilled less athletic elton brand at best or a less athletic tractor trailor....there isnt any other big man that could run the floor with rose the way mullens can...even on the bulls the bigs cant compare...and they arent actually even bigs...6'11 235....and a little over 6' 8 217 ....mullens atleast is a legit 7 feet at 270. Next Wayne ellington isnt an upgrade over gordan...at 6' 5 he isnt a giant for the position either...i hope they grab mullens and Chase budinger from Arizona.. 6' 7 guard...that can shoot with range and has the hops to shoot over players of equal and greater height ellington cant make that claim as convincingly. I see people compare Mullens and Eddy Curry and dont see how that doesnt favor mullens...size and athletic explosion go to mullens aswell as shot blocking and the ability to run the floor...that last part buy a huge margin...power goes to curry but he has fought the battle of the bulge since a junior in high-school....and lost which has prevented him from puting his combo of power and skill to use...atleast mullens doesnt have that to slow his learning process...and if you dont remember...Curry CANT DEFEND HIS POSITION ...he is the origanal BLAIR but what makes it worse is Curry is taller and maybe more athletic..as they both fight to keep weight off...i will hate it if the bulls draft BLAIR.....lets go BULLS...BJ MULLENS!!!!
He lacks HEART and MOTIVATION despite his HEIGHT and POTENTIAL. He's a bad fit for what they are tyring to do there now.
Blair - good choice
Williams - good choice
Young - good choice
McNeal - good choice
Dozier - good choice
Suton - good choice
Rice - good choice
Pretty much anybody, but Mullens...thank you!!!
there where alot of concerns about andew bynum coming out also...and d'andre jordan aswell but we would be better if we had a either of them...mullens is a seven foot 258 center that runs and jumps like a sf. his potential isd worth the risk since there are no other sure fire post players available after blake goes...no other big even compares in stature and athletic ability...why pass on a potential franchise changing player for a good sure fire role player.
The bulls are real good at every position right now. They don't really have any holes since the trade for miller and salmons. Who knows, mayber after a whole year of playing together they win it all. That was a great trade for the Bulls. Take the best player available. They don't need a starter right away, but then again they might want the guy who could contribute the most in a championship run as a rookie. The Bulls should really feel good about where they are right now. Maybe they should let Ben Gordon go in freeagency and start Salmons who averaged around 19 pts last year and play deng at sf. Then they might want to draft his replacement. That is it. The Bulls look real good right now and should be looking forward to this draft.
They should BE AGGRESSIVE and GO AFTER the guy they want, not SETTLE for the BEST AVAILABLE.
Let's not over-hype MULLENS...please!!!
If he was a franchise changing player wouldn't he have guided OSU to the Final 4, like Greg Oden did. And please no Thad Matta excuses here either. If Mullens was as good as advertised, Matta would have played him more. This is a one-and-done era in college basketball, so the "Matta didn't play Mullens because he wanted to keep him there" excuses need to stop. I have heard them way too much, not from you, but from others.
For the last time, MULLENS DOES NOT FIT THE CULTURE THE BULLS ARE TRYING TO BUILD. He didn't get a guarantee from them, I assure you. The only guarantee is that when they look at him they see Eddy Curry all over again. He has HEIGHT and loads of POTENTIAL, but lacks the HEART and MOTIVATION to reach it.
If there is any Big-Man they like in this draft it's DeJuan Blair. Go on their website and read the comments of their director of scouting. It speaks volumes. By the way, I see no comments on Mullens. I wonder why?
Don't draft Mullins. He is a oversized sf with no game. He just runs the floor and dunks. He can't even make a midrange jumper. He isn't even 7'. The draft combine had him at 6'11". Gosh. Who the Bulls should get is Earl Clark from Louisville. They won't get him that late in the first round. They should trade up to get him. Then they will be stacked. They should also trade Tim Thomas. He is nothin but garbage.
They should let B-G go. He is not necessary. There will be a lot of teams looking to sign him. The bulls got Salmons and Heinrich and Rose. They can get a guy who is pretty good in the second round or late first round to replace him for less money. They also got Tim Thomas if they need to make a trade. He's no good, but a lot of teams will see his size and skills and think he could be a superstar. If he hasn't figured it out by now he never will though.
They don't need a SF (Johnson). They need a PF (Blair).
I love watching BG catch fire and all but his asking price is just too high.