If Derrick Williams will play SF in the NBA who do you compare him to?
I know some of are against comparisons and don't really like comparing college players to NBA players, and I respect that. Nothing wrong with that, but I feel that comparing a player is a very good way of assessing their strengths and weaknesses. Obviously there are others to do this but I like this way because it seems to be a little easier especially for someone like me who only pays attention to college basketball during the tournament.
But when I look at Derrick Williams I find it hard to compare him to someone because of that fact that he is so versatile. I feel he can play the 4 and the 3 and depending on which team he goes that will determine which position he plays.
So if he is a 4, I would compare him to Antwan Jamison, the problem is what if he ends playing the 3. He has such a big body that most 3's do not have. Obviously this creates an advantage for him. Some people compare him to Micheal Beasley but I feel that Williams can play better defense than Beasley can. Beasley seems to not care on the defensive end only about scoring, while Williams certainly cares on both ends. He is clearly stronger on offense but also has some defensive qualities as well because of his passion to want to rise above all the opposition against him.
So since he has such a big body and if he is a 3 then who do you compare him to? Maybe a more athletic and stronger Gallo or is there a better comparison for him.
Al Harrington or Antwan Jamison, maybe a little Marvin Williams.
^^^ Same here
If he lead his team to a title, i could hear some Melo comparisons but dont know if that will help his stock right now. I dont know if his mid range game is close to Melo though.
not sure why people would draft this guy, to win champioships you need size and guy with defined roles. Williams doesn't have a defined role since he could be a SF/PF and his size is bad if he plays PF. I'd much rather draft Harrison Barnes where I know he can play SF rather than Williams were it's a guessing game.
Who ever would compare him to Melo would be very very wrong. There games are nothing alike
Well theres no one in most drafts that teams pick with the idea that that player will lead them to a title anytime soon. Theres not that much talent in any draft. You might get a Duncan,Shaq,Kobe,Jordan once or twice every 6 drafts or more
"I dont know if his mid range game is close to Melo though"
Not only is it not close, its not in the same solar system. Melo is one of the best mid-range shooters in the L.
6'8 240 lbs
6'8.75 245 lbs
6'8.5 248 lbs
6'8.2 234 lbs
6'8.7 246 lbs
6'6.25 258 lbs
6'7.75 230 lbs
6'8.2 238 lbs
Those are the heights and weight of some of the young athletic PFs starting in the NBA today , Patrick Patterson, Favors, Blake, Hansbough, Al Horford, David Lee, Humphries and Milsap. If he measures in at what he is projected he will be in the same range as those guys. Their average height is 6'8.01 and weight 242. Don't hate me but I think he is a very athletic and offensively polished and rounded PF similar to Blake(I didn't want to compare them but with some of the dunks he's been throwing down lately). And if he goes to a team that has a low post style Center he will be just fine at PF.
Williams shot 60 percent from the three and 60 percent overall. Thats impressive.
@robertfreeman: It doesn't reallly matter what his height is, it's his playstyle. He doesn't play like a PF on offense and I doubt he can defend PF's in the NBA.
I'm sure that when he compared him to Melo he was talking about at age 19 in college and not the 27 year old 8 year vet Melo.
If he is comparing Melo and Derrick Williams at the same age then there is reason to compare. First Derrick Williams is the same age now as Melo was a freshmen. Melo was not viewed as a consensus top 3 pick before the run he put Cuse on. Melo played 36 minutes a game and averaged 22 and 10. But only shot 45% from the field, 33 % from 3 and 70% from the foul line. Williams while only playing 30 MPG, is putting up 19.5 ppg, 8.4 rpg. He is also shooting over 60% from both the field, and 3, while shooting 75% from the FT. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that Williams is the better shooter coming out of college. The dude was 5-6 from 3 last night against Duke in the biggest game of his career thus far.
People are still sleeping on Derrick Williams. I've told people on this site a million times before he can play SF if a team needs him to at which point he would compare very favorably to Michael Beasley's role this year for the Wolves. If you put him at PF then Jamison is the perfect comparison. He can play either forward role and will score.
Also Williams will measure out at 6'9 in sneaks with a 7'0 wingspan since he will not shrink after already measuring out that tall at the Lebron Skill Camp in the offseason.
Shouldnt have any more problems defending then Millsap,Marvin Williams, Jamison. People put wayy to much emphisis on Defense in the NBA for college players when more than Half the guys in the NBA aren't above average defenders. And the stars are still gonna get there averages no matter who defends them. Its not like Williams is just gonna be giving up 40 ppg to whoever he is checking Nash is a horrible defender and even he doesn't give up wayyy more points then someone like Rondo i bet.
There is no way Favors and Milsap are the same height I watch every Jazz game. Favors has at least two inches on him.
he is best suitable to PF, in the nba as a player he is most resemble to Shareef Abdur Rahim but may be a little bit better...
@lakeshow: but for championship caliber teams you need size and defense in the paint. Williams might be able to defends PF's fine, but you need that intimadating presence inside and I don't think Williams will intimidate anyone from coming inside.
Why force a comparison I mean does anybody on this site really think he plays like Jamison, or Granger? Thats nonsense he is Derrick Williams and if youve seen him play you know thats exactly who he is. If you havent seen him play I sugest you watch the upcoming game against Uconn.
Jamison was never as athletic, neither was Granger. Maybe Beasley can draw similar comparisons, but Beasley is an unintelligent player who jacks up bad shots, and plays little defense. (Remember when everyone said beasley was 6'10).
Anyways DWills game and skillset is built for the NBA, really. If he plays the 4 every night he will have an extreme missmatch against opposing bigs. He is super athletic and super skilled. Hes my favourite candidate for Rookie Of The Year right now before the draft. Most ready player in the draft and player with the most potential imo.
Again, Derrick Williams needs space for his range and athleticism.
Putting him at the 4 as some of you are suggesting in this thread would limit his space.
How about Abdur-Rahim with more range...
Well he doesn't play like a wing his biggest strength is playing on the block.
If Williams plays the four, he will have more space because their will be fewer interior oriented players on the court, and, as a result, less defenders in the lane. He also will be defended by slower defenders at the 4, so his off the dribble game would be even more valuable.
I think if he plays next to a good shot blocking C, Williams will be fine at PF. He doesn't need to be a great defender to be a valuable player. He attacks the rim phenomenally and flat out knows how to score. I think that Williams will go down as one of the top offensive players in this draft class, perhaps even the top.
Yes Derrick Williams does play like Jamison. I have watched over ten Arizona games this year and Williams has gotten better with the ball in his hands too. Earlier in the year Williams could take people off the bounce but didn't have the confidence. Last night agaist Duke, Williams was just toying with Kyle Singler like 30 feet from the basket. Not only was Williams a threat to pull up and hit the long 3, but more often then not he easily got around Singler and into the lane with the ball in his hands. Remember guys Williams is still only 19. He's the same age as Beasley as a freshman. At the combine expect Williams to measure out virtually identical to Beasley in all categories.
And yeah Favors is 2 inches taller then Millsap. Millsap in socks only measured out to a lilttle bit over 6'6. Favors was closer to 6'9 barefoot. And look at the success Millsap is having. You guys put to much stock into height when not every player even knows how to use it. And Granger is a really bad comparison, as if Shareef. I love when people say things like how about this player with a 3 point shot. Well no because then they become another player when you add elements to their game.
Williams has proved to be a very good defender what are you guys talking about. he is a bit undersized that maybe his only downfall but he looks to be a legit 6'8, 6'9. He may only be making great defensive plays due to his strength and athletisism at the college level, but its not like hes going to translate into a slouch like Beasley or Stoudemire. dont think just because hes a good athletic, offensive PF he will be a horrible dfender.
I see Williams as a much more physical version of Jamison.. The thing I like about Williams is the way he competes and the swagger he plays with, the kid is carrying a Arizona team that is very young.. I feel he can be a 18 ppg 8 reb type player in his prime..
Maybe he will be paried with a good defensive center one day or maybe he might be coming off the bench. The lakers did win with Bynum not being much of a factor before and with the 6'9-6'10 Odom at PF. People have to realise there isnt a set line up height wise in order to win a title no matter how tall the past teams have been. Yes its more likely that you will win with a laker line up but you can also win with a Piston's line up. Most things in sports arent sent and things change. There used to be sayings like " you can't win with a short PG" or "you can't make it to the NBA at this height".
Times are changing and there arent awhole lot of Duncans,Shaqs anymore. The Leauge is transitioning to Smaller PF and Smaller bigs
How about a young Antonio Mcdyess as a comparison. Same height and weight, Williams athleticism should continue to improve once he hits the league and has NBA trainers getting in his ear. Williams offensive capabilities already seem superior to Dyess already.
He is most definitley going to be a PF on the next level. I see his ceiling being a cross between McDyess and Amare. Notice I said ceiling please.
And Delfam, I would take Harrison Barnes over him too
Quincey is on point about this statement he said earlier "Well theres no one in most drafts that teams pick with the idea that that player will lead them to a title anytime soon. Theres not that much talent in any draft. You might get a Duncan,Shaq,Kobe,Jordan once or twice every 6 drafts or more"
Seriously it would be great if their was that guy that would lead a team a championship in the future, but those guys probably say 5-6 (being generous) guys in a decade. I would say in the 2000s you can say Lebron, Wade, Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant, and Dwight Howard. I am not even including Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire who are both very very good players.
Derrick Williams just doesn't strike me as one of those guys to be a great player you need the intensity he has played with the last 3 game all year long. If a player is unable to do that they are not of championship caliber.
Caron Butler maybe. He has that kind of versatility. A solid 6'7" - 6'8" with an outside shot you have to respect, but the ability to put it on the floor and finish.
Amare and McDyess were two of the most athletic forwards I've ever seen come into the NBA. I'd put them up there with the freak athletes like Griffin, Kemp, Chambers, etc. I don't think Williams is there in term of his explosiveness, but he is no doubt a great athlete.
I like Williams, but people having him as the top pick are stupid IMO. Since there is doubt in what position he'll play, guys like Barnes and Irving are safer picks. I think the highest he should go is 3.
he is a basketball player who cares what position he plays
I don't think he will play alot of SF, but Thad Young is a apt comparison
NBA teams who are investing their future in him
@Wildcats: that's the problem with GM's these days, they draft the most talented guys even if they don't know what position they are going to play, then they ruin that players future and there teams. Players need to know there roles on the team for the team to succeed. This is why you rarely see tweener type players be successful cause they're don't have a position and aren't put into a good position by the coach cause he doesn't even know how to use him.
I actually see a bigger version of Gerald Wallace
Dirk Nowitzki in Thad Young's body / athleticism.
he reminds me of a arizona alum andre iguodala super athletic good rebounder decent ,shooter same type of build williams a lil bigger
Im sure GMs that draft him know what position he will play for them...Just because you guys dont know if he should play SF or PF doesnt mean GMs who have been scouting him for 5 years dont. He has played great in the frontcourt this year, keep him there and project him as a frontcourt player. If you have a team need at SF, bring him in for a workout and evaluate how his perimeter skills and understanding of the position are. If you have a team need at PF hes perfect for your team because thats the position he plays!
Where does all this contraversy stem from, he can play the PF position fine. He is not a tweener, he is a solid, strong and athletic PF. The perfect PF for todays increased pace game. if he can play a bit of SF then fine, we already know he can play PF, that just adds to his versatility. These comparisons people are throwing around are wild...
The guy looks like an aggressive Michael Beasley to me. Like Beasley, I don't think Williams will rebound enough to be a full time NBA PF.
Antawn Jamison's size and game with the athleticism of Andre Iguodala.
Like Jamison, Derrick Williams isn't a stat stuffer. Very few blocks, assists and steals.
That's why he's most like Jamison.
@thunderbear Sorry I didnt list there names in the same order I posted the heights.
He's athletic but he is not Iggy athletic