If you were the Cavs, who would you take?
The way I see it, the Cavs have a lot of young pieces. You kind of have to draft based on need here.
Their pick should be top 5, and if the lakers make the playoffs they will get their pick, say 15 or 16.
They also have their 2nd rounder and the Magic's 2nd rounder.
They've obviously got a point guard.
I believe they've invested in their Sg for the future in Waiters and their PF in Tristan Thompson.
That leaves needs at the SF (cause Gee isn't a starter on a playoff team and neither is CJ miles)
And the C (they should look to move Varejao this offseason, and Zeller is a backup)
So obviously they should take Nerlens if he's available (which looks rather unlikely).
If not, they're in a predicament. Draft best available, which I believe would be a SG (McLemore looks like he's slipping a bit).
I feel like Marcus Smart is a bad pick for them. They have Kyrie on the ball, and they desperately need perimeter shooting (Smart's biggest weakness).
I have a friend in the Cavs front office, and he says the organization is pretty low on Bennett, Bazz, and Porter. But the latter two seem like the best options.
If they look to SF: I think they need to take Porter. He could be a Paul George type of player in the league.
I'm not sold on Shabazz playing the 3. I feel like at 6'6" ish his optimal position is the 2.
As for the Laker's pick, if they took porter they should look for a center. Withey should be the best pick here.
If they take Nerlens, I feel like McDermott could be a good pick at the 3. He could be a good complement to Gee's athleticism, and adds the perimeter shooting they desperately need.
Otto Porter seems like the best fit for them...hes a good all around player and would fit well with kyrie and waiters.....i dont think shabazz is a good fit because he has that score first mentality and i dont think that would fit well with kyrie and dion....he wants to be the alpha male it seems like....but porter would be the best fit for them....IF they can't get Nerlens Noel
wait til the 2nd rd and draft Seth Curry. there is your outside shooting
I'd take BPA who isn't a PG. Outside of Kyrie, their young core doesn't excite me.
Dion Waiters and Tristan Thompson's development don't excite you? I think Waiters has shown tremendous upside and potential. He hasn't started or played big minutes in nearly 3 years yet he's had an instant impact and has been outright dominate in some games. He's also proven to be clutch and has taken over games down the stretch when Kyrie was out.
No they don't. Tristan looks like an energy big who will never be a legit scoring option because of his lack of touch and form. Dion looks like a 6th man to me. I don't see the tremendous potential in him given his level of athleticism and size. I also doubt he'll ever become a knock down shooter given his form and shot selection tendencies.
I think Noel would be a great pick for them. Porter would also fit in nicely, but I actually like Oladipo for them. Oladipo could start at the 2 while having Waiters come off the bench as a 6th man and letting Oladipo slide to have some minutes at the 3. Waiters was fantastic coming off the bench in college and that's what got him drafted #4 overall. Also could see them starting Waiters and Oladipo together but who knows? I think Oladipos defense and his potential would be fantastic for the Cavs. At the end of the day I think Noel, Porter, and Oladipo would all be great picks for them and at least one of them should be there if they pick at 5.
Oladipo is a waste of time for the Cavs. He's undersized for the 3, and if they needed D at the 2 they have Gee. Besides, the organization has made it pretty clear their intentions with Dion are not 6th man.
there is no way otto porter will be paul george. i like porter, but have you seen paul george play this year? anyways, to answer the question of this post, i would trade all my picks and package them for picks next year, or a young starter that i know can play. since every player in this draft is an uncertainty, i'm not thrilled at anything and i try to make it work. i would also look to move varejao, but i don't believe the cavs would move him.
to answer your first question within the post we have to assume nobody was willing to make a value trade and i have to draft someone. i'm going best player available. if i'm pick five i'm looking at cody zeller to pair him up with his brother, or mclemore or otto porter. if i get pick fifteen, i consider glenn robinson, doug mcdermott, jeff withey, and if he's around, even if he's not the best fit, i take gary harris. one of the best gs in the country and i believe can be a top prospect in this draft.
in the second round i would target michael snaer, gorgui dieng, or patric young, or basically anyone in the second round that i believe would make a team in this draft.
If Noel is not their trade the pick for a draft pick for next year, so they can have two picks is a better draft next year.
I hate to be this guy, but its pretty clear the Cavs are going to leave the SF slot open for obvious reasons. They're going to focus on the C and Nerlens Noel in my mind is their target. This season has entered tank mode and they look like they will lock up the 3rd slot. They desperately need shot blocking and Noel is the perfect remedy. On a side note, I'd love for them to grab DeShaun Thomas with one of their second rd picks.
If i'm the Cavs I wouldn't draft Withey as it seems they already have their backup center Zeller, why get another one when their fairly similar players?
If Im the Cavs GM I have to go all in on this draft. Hopefully they're drafting top 3 and Noel or McLemore are available. Then with the Lakers pick (15-16), assuming they make the playoffs, I try to package that with my 2 high second rounders to try to get back into the top 10 to select Len, possibly throwing Zeller in the deal to sweeten the deal a little more.
I then let Casspi, Gibson, Speights, Livingston, Walton all walk.
I also agree with wrector that they wont concentrate on the SF position for obvious reasons.
So after this draft a lineup could look like a combination of these players
Dion Waiters (either, Ben McLemore), Wayne Ellington
Alonzo Gee, CJ Miles
Tristan Thompson, (or,Nerlens Noel)
Anderson Varejao (Alex Len)
A beefed up front court of Tristan, Noel, Len and Varejao would be very good for a very long time.
This would also let them figure out their stopgaps until the 2014 free agency frenzy and 2014 draft
I couldn't pass up Shabazz in the draft if I'm the Cavs..sure his time in college has been odd and what not but he has a ton of superstar potential.
Noel/Porter and WCS/Olynyk
Last year they gave up two early second round picks to move up and get Zeller (24,33,34 to 17), I thought that was a good move, but guys like Jae Crowder, Draymond Green, PJ3, Fetus Ezeli, Jeffery Taylor were there to take at 24, 33,34. They didn't want 4 rookies and the same scenario is expected this year with Chris Grant at GM. The Cav's right now have picks 32 and 33 projected and that's fairly stable. However .Net's big board has Allen Crabbe, Isiah Austin, Tony Mitchell, Jamal Franklin and Deshaun Thomas as early second round picks and those are guys worth having on your roster. Much like Draymond Green could really be a okay version of Alonzo Gee who at only 3 million is a cheap price but Green only makes a half million if that, that's a sixth of what Gee makes.
Keep the picks this year and use them as potential assets much like the Bucks gave up young talent instead of picks to acquire Redick. I think Fetus, Crowder and Green trump the pick up of Zeller. This year I say stay home unless you move up for one of the bigs in WCS or Olynyk. If not stay home and pick whatever the best player available is at 15-16- 17 or whatever the Lakers pick is. GR3 or even Trey Burke might there and they could have a Eric Maynor situation coming up with Burke. It was a time when the Thunder could have gotten a top 12 pick for Maynor at the height of his value. Kabongo, Withey should be there if you end up with the Heat pick instead of the Laker's, if you trade up from 30 to the mid 20's using one or two of those 2nd rounder's.
Just keep acquiring young talent. Pretty simple. The more upside those young guys have while on their rookie contracts the more enticing it is for some balding dude in Miami to come back and...I think I've said too much.
The Cavs have a lot of options of what to do with their picks. I like the core of Thompson, Waiters, and Kyrie for them. With alot of draft picks, its interesting to see which direction they will go. IMO I dont think anybody they draft will make them a playoff team this season or next. I think they need a couple veterans and a legit Big-Man to give them that surge. Would it be stupid or far-fetched for them to attempt to sign Andrew Bynum in the offseason? Are they still looking to add Greg Oden? I like Anderson Varejao, but he's not the answer when speaking of a real center.
Anyone who signs Bynum should only do a 1-year contract. That also fits with Cleveland's plans for 2014.
They arn't going to bring in four rookies next year. They did the same thing last year, packaging a few picks to move up to take Zeller. I can see them doing the same, and they likely have enough picks to move into at least the late lottery.
The thing is if they are luring Lebron, it doesn't matter really if they take an SF, since he can play 4 positions extremely well. Especially with a guy like Porter able to guard either wing spot. Putting Porter and Lebron on the wing together to start the game, with Waitors coming off the bench could be overwheling rotation for any team.
And they can't just keep not addressing their need at the 3, just because there's a shot at LBJ signing. They need to have a backup plan.
A frontcourt of Noel and Thompson could be a bit of a nightmare, as neither can spread the floor, it would clog of the lane for Irving/Waiters, so I can't see them going in that direction.
If I were running the show I'd take Porter then do my best to move up and take Olynk.
You don't draft someone with the 3rd pick with the intention of replacing them the next season - its a waste. They aren't going to play Dion as a 6th man. It's safer to draft where you need help than stock pile positions with valuable lottery picks.
I would start by begging Lebron to come home. Offer up him my first born daughter. Tell him we would rename the city after him. Let him be coach. And gm....
LeBron has had good things to say about Rudy Gay's game, so him as GM would concern me a little.
i think i would try to get porter or even anthony bennet
Assuming Mclemore and Noel are off the board, I think their best options is Bennett, Porter, and Robinson III in that order. They can wait on a guy so I think Bennett is the pick.