It would have been terrible to just move Smith for the heck of it. I rather him walk away for nothing versus taking back Humphries, Bass, or any of the foolish contracts out there. Ferry has a vision and he's sticking to it.
Yeah you're right. That's the hardest part of a big name guy with an expiring contract, you have to take back near equal contracts and unless you're dealing one headache big name guy for another you're usually stuck taking back so-so contracts. (BTW I still don't understand why the Nets signed Kris Humphries to a 2 year $24 million dollar deal...it didn't make sense when he was the projected starting power forward and it makes far less sense now with him playing sparingly.)
It was a way for Brooklyn to stay well over the cap by resigning one of their own players. You don't find it odd that the Nets went from well under the cap to having an 80 mil payroll in one season? A higher payroll offers flexibilty... when you don't care about money.
The intention from the second that contract was signed was to trade Humphries for a player they like later... seeing as expiring contracts tend to become quite valuable. The Nets didn't find anything for him this season but there's the offseason and next trade deadline where I'm betting another team comes calling so they can rub 12 mil off their own books at seasons end.
He couldn't find ANY deal with expirings and picks? Any first round picks would've sufficed.
I logged in to neg this posters thread... and judging by all the +1's, I'm alone in this.
Commend Ferry? Thats crap. Ferry screwed the Bucks big time with all his posturing. He made it known throughout the league Smith was going to be dealt and the Bucks made a real effort. They wasted time working on this deal (instead of others) only to have Ferry change his mind at the last second... which is definitly his right, but to commend him for it? For the poster to suggest its better to let Smith walk away for nothing in the offseason is ludacris.
If I'm the Bucks, I'll remember being jerked around for many seasons to come and purposely avoid any transactions with Ferry or the Hawks.
Ferry just hurt his reputation more then anything.
I wouldn't go that far. The Hawks should have flipped Smith for something, but they also wanted to stay on course with their LT goal which is to preserve cap space. If they couldn't find a 3rd team to take on Monta and fill in the the other contracts, then that deal SHOULD have died. I don't think there is any way Monta exercises his ETO next yr since he's not a highly coveted player.
Also, GMs can multi task. That is their job. If they can only work on one deal at a time that is their fault.
Ellis was never in the deal. It was Beno, Luc mbah moute and Udoh + a protected 1st.
Beno comes off the cap in the offseason and the other 2 count for a combined 8.3 mil.
If your going for max cap space then the other 2 can be flipped later because they have value. Worst case they're used in a sign and trade for a player you want or jettisoned for a 1st which I don't think is entirely unreasonable.
The end result would be atleast 2 firsts for Smith. In the mean time I'm betting Ferry gets sweet &$#%#&@! all after this. Smith will walk. He wants a change of pace.
One could argue this has all been one giant bluff on Ferry's part and he fully intends to give Smith the max contract he's looking for... which if it was the case is still a jerk move to pull on the Bucks.
As far as multitasking... I agree. Any GM could. You or I could. The point being the Bucks focused all other trade activity around getting Smith in this deal which fell apart with minutes to go. If Smith was never a real option, the Bucks go about negotiating with a different goal in mind working up to the trade deadline.
I have no doubt that Redick and Smith were the plan. The question becomes, do the Bucks pull the trigger on Redick if they knew they weren't getting Smith?
If that's the trade then it does not meet the Hawks' demands since LBAM and Udoh are not expiring. The Hawks have specifically said that they don't want any money coming back for next yr. Furthermore, what is the market LBAM and Udoh? Trading them later isn't a given, which would screw up their summer plan since they can't be amnestied.
I disagree with you because that is the nature of the business. Some teams will just happen to spend countless hours on TRYING to make a trade but sometimes it won't happen. That's the NBA for you. I've been reading a lot that the new collective bargaining agreement has been preventing teams from making certain trades. Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make.
Alot of sources are now saying since Smith is staying that trio of Smith,Howard and CP3 will happen in ATL next year..........in the meanwhile Josh Smith is going to shoot nothing but long 2's the rest of the season lol
I don't know about Howard, but CP3 has no reason to leave LA.
Howard and CP3 was always the hope, but ya, I dont see Paul leaving.
And Im reading that Ferry was pushing to move Smith to the western conference. Good idea as the last thing he'll want is for Smith to remain in the East, and get his act together. Just another team Atl will have to contend with in a few years.
If the Clippers don't win the ship and CP3 doesn't feel like they have a chance why wouldn't he leave if Dwight and Smith are in ATL, you have the 2 best ingredients to win a ring....A dominant big and a top level PG, throw in Josh Smith your a legit contender especially in the East.
He has something good in LA. They're in the mix. Going off to play with Dwight and Josh Smith doesn't guarantee a damn thing.
Side note: Howard and Hortford would make a good combo. Atl will have the space to sign both Howard and Evans. Teague and Evans compliments each other perfectly as do Hortford and Howard. Hawks could then sign and trade Smith for players to fill out the roster. Just wishful thinking.
Something good in LA...true, but him,Dwight and Josh Smith would be better in ATL
Let's be honest Del Negro can't coach to save his life(Playoffs), Billups,Hill and crew are all getting older and OKC and the Spurs still run the West, Bledsoe will be gone after this year more than likely
If Dwight goes to ATL and Smith stays put I guarantee after the Clippers are once again exited out the playoffs this year CP3 will be thinking long and hard about moving to ATL IF Howard goes and Josh stays.
But we shall see what happens, CP3 is all about winning, he wont keep being satisfied with just making it to the playoffs.
And how would you know that? Dwight and Josh haven't exactly been the easiest teammates to play with.
And what about Miami in the east...in the Hawks' own division? There are obstacles in either conference.
So what if Billups and Hill are getting older? Have they been major parts of the team all yr? Before CP3 went down with the injury, the Clips were the best team in the west. You bring up VDN but what about Larry Drew? lol
CP3 going to ATL would just be him hitting the reset button. You're not taking into consideration the financial considerations either. Dwight and Cp3 are max players and Smith wants the max. This is the Hawks were talking about in the new repeat offender lux tax era. That trio would be together for 1 yr tops.
I can't see why Chris Paul would leave LAC to join a big man coming off of a serious back injury and a power forward who takes dumb jump shots and relies on his athleticism to do just about everything.
IF Paul didn't get hurt, the Clippers would probably have the best record in the West.
What does the regular season record mean when playoffs come?
NOTHING, so what if CP3 didn't get injured and the Clippers possibly could have the best record in the West...are they still better than the Thunder or Spurs? No, can they beat the Thunder or Spurs in a 7 game series? No, regular season means nothing.
San Antonio had the best record in the West last year and got blasted by the Thunder, Memphis had a better record than LAC and lost to them in 7 games, Paul doesn't care about how well the Clippers do in the season he wants a ring, and I don't think he's going to get one in LA.
And CP3,Dwight and Smith can all take paycuts if they really want it that bad.
It means home court advantage first of all. Having a great regular season record means that they're among the best teams in the entire league and have a good shot at least making the WCF. Being in a position to compete for a chip is all they can ask for. Nothing else is guaranteed, but what they do have is a top team in the west with a good nucleus, who can compete with the top teams when healthy.
What about the other points I brought up? Larry Drew? Miami?
Like I said, teaming up with Dwight and Josh doesn't guarantee a damn thing. It sure doesn't guarantee that those Hawks would be better than the Clips are currently. Josh is a dumb player who thinks he deserves the max, who 9 yrs into his career still shows his immaturity and poor bball IQ. Dwight is a diva who wants everything he can get and has shown this yr and in previous yrs that he can be a problem chemistry wise if he doesn't get what he wants.
They wouldn't have to sacrifice a little, they'd have to sacrifice a lot. Not only can they make more money if they re-sign with their current teams, but they wouldn't have to sacrifice even more to fit in the Hawks' cap, we're talking like 35+mill a piece here. And for what? A chance to combine Cp3, Dwight and Josh freaking Smith? The only person who wouldn't have to sacrifice anything is Josh. The Hawks have no history of going that deep in the luxury tax, and I doubt they'd start now. They don't have the billionaire owner who treats the franchise like a toy or the billion dollar TV contract to offset the operational losses.
Some of you guy are to hard on Smith. He had play some good games lately and he is a very good playmaker for the hawks 3 point shooteur... When he doesnt score, he will rebound and dish some assist. Also his decision making is very improved.
Isn't Atlanta not really a desirable city or team for NBA players ?
The Hawks signed Lou Williams but when was the last time they landed a good free agent to come to Atlanta ?
Hope yall watching the Clippers gettin smacked by the Spurs, so yall can see what im talking about, the Clippers are good not ELITE, CP3 knows that as well.