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Is It Just Me or are the Nets Being Vastly Overrated?

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Is It Just Me or are the Nets Being Vastly Overrated?

ESPN just had a 5-on-5 discussion about whether the Nets were a championship contender. People are saying they could get second in the East, that they could challenge the Heat and contend for the title. Well, I'm not seeing it. And here are several reasons why:

-Their point guard, Deron Williams, is a 29-year-old guy who seemed to be losing a step already last season. He's probably supposed to be the best player on this team, but he just isn't that great anymore. He's a far cry from the player who was often compared to Chris Paul. He's nowhere near Paul anymore. Plus, he's proven to be a somewhat uncoachable guy. With a first year (at any level) coach, who is relatively young and is a former point guard himself, I think there is a serious potential for chemistry issues to develop that have WIlliams at their root.

-Their shooting guard, Joe Johnson, is 32 and is not going to give them the production he once could, by any means. He used to be a great player, but now, he may be a guy who has difficulty gelling with several other solid scorers and players. He's totally set up for a drastic decrease in his nymbers this year and I'm not sure that will be a pretty decline for him.

-Their small forward, Paul Pierce, is 35 (35!) years old and, let's face it, has always been The Guy who has been expected to be the number 1 scoring option throughout his career, even when he played with Allen and Garnett and Rondo. Now, he's aging, he's losing his scoring ability, and he has to learn to take on a completely different role, where he is maybe the third or fourth scorer. This is another red flag.

-Their power forward, Kevin Garnett, is 37. He's losing a step every year, and understandably so. And this could be the year where he loses multiple steps. He's a good defensive player still, and he's the one I'm least worried about taking a lesser role on this team in the offense, but how will he do in the locker room? WIll he come in to a completely new team and try to be the big dog, the main voice in the locker room? Will this create problems? Will he have issues being coached by Jason Kidd who is a mere two years older than him and came into the league just one year before him? Lots of question marks when you look at Garnett's outspoken personality.

-Their center, Brook Lopez, is solid. He's the best piece this team has moving forward. But he still has plenty of flaws, He's a finesse guy, but sometimes that means he's a soft guy. He isn't much of a rebounder at all, and having Garnett in instead of glass-eaters Reggie Evans and Kris Humphries could really be bad for Lopez and the team. I'm not sure if this team will get him the touches he needs, either, will all the scorers on this team.

-Their bench really is pretty solid, as AK47, Blatche, Terry, Evans, and Plumlee are all high-quality bench guys. But once again, age is a concern for guys like Terry and Evans and Kirilenko.

-Their owner, Prokhorov, is not the absolute most ideal owner for not creating drama. Shouldn;t be an issue, but there is room for concern with him and his business dealings and his overall Russian shenanigans. You know how those guys are lol.

-Their coach, Jason Kidd, is perhaps the biggest concern. This guy just retired. He has NEVER BEEN A COACH (head or assistant) AT ANY LEVEL OF ORGANIZED BASKETBALL. And now he's the guy in charge of bringing together a bunch of aging former stars with big personalities and making them mesh and contend with the Heat and the Pacers and the Bulls. That's a tough job for anyone, but even more so for a first-time coach. Granted, he was maybe the smartest veteran player out there last year, but still. WIll he have problems getting along with Deron Williams? Will he be able to get a roster full of guys who are very close to him in age to respect him? I think he could be a very good coach from the get-go, but there will be a learning curve. Coaching issues alone could relegate this team to a low playoff seed if Kidd can't make it work.

Overall, this is a super-old group of guys, half of which are new to the team, who have to come together under a new coach immediately if they want to keep up with these other teams (the Bulls and the Pacers) who they are supposedly capable of competing with for the #2 seed in the East. There are a lot of guys on this team used to playing big roles, and so they will all have to learn to accept smaller roles. The Pacers don't have to worry about that. The Bulls don't have to worry about that. Best-case scenario? This team brings all the talent they have left together, balls like a group of vets should, and surprise even the Heat. Worst case (and in my opinion, more likely) scenario? All their thirty-something guys hit the downside of their careers, no one knows who the go-to guy is, chemistry issues develop, and before they know it, they're in the position of last season's Lakers and have a .500 record halfway through the year.

I predict that the Heat, Pacers, and Bulls outplay them comfortably, and another young team (Cavs? Wizards?) surprises them and they get a 5 seed. A 4 is probably more likely, but I'm just really down on these Nets. Is it just me?


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Yes, they are super old but

Yes, they are super old but they arguably have a top-10 player at each position and are extremely deep. I think they'll be a 4th or 5th seed and get to the 2nd round of the playoffs, after that it's all questionable.

The thing is, nobody knows how they're going to mix together and what system JKidd is going to install. They also have various health issues and three key guys (DWill, Cool Joe, and Brook) that are very on-and-off type players.

I think we have to watch them play and see how the season wears on them before we can crown them a top team.

ON PAPER, they have the best line-up in the league and one of the best benches... let me reiterate, ON PAPER.

It's going to be interesting to see what they do though, everyone had the Lakers penciled in to reach the WCF (at least) and look what happened there.

Time will tell, for now, I think they're a 4th seed at best, 6th seed at worst and, if healthy during the playoffs, a sure-fire 2nd round team with a shot to reach further.

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Here's what I think they'll

Here's what I think they'll have to deal with to become a top team in the league and title threat.

- Stay healthy
- Deron Williams finally plays like an All-Star and top-tier point guard
- Garnett and Evans clean the glass like a homeless trying to snag a dime.
- Jason Kidd has a system that fits all 5 players and uses their talents (which shouldn't be too hard, considering the fact that KG, Pierce, JJ, and DWill are all around players)
- Play through the hype and critics

All of that has to click perfectly for them to be scary and time is NOT on their side.

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They are the wannabe Spurs

They are the wannabe Spurs

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Overrated for the season,

Overrated for the season, maybe but if the Nets are healthy come playoff time they are a direct threat to MIA and I would pick them in a series over the Bulls and slightly over the Pacers........just saying, they got ballers at every position, sure they're older than most but they still got that fire and desire lol

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Look, they are old, and have

Look, they are old, and have a rookie coach, but they have talent at all 5 positions and their bench is not as bad as some think it is. Ak47, Evans. Terry, blatche, and plumlee are solid. Plus for example last season I felt like Nash and Kobe was a terrible basketball fit, here it's not perfect, but I don't see such a difference is styles. Do I think they'll beat the heat? No, but they have team that can be very good.

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I think their biggest problem

I think their biggest problem will be getting outcoached. Not that Kidd will be a bad coach, but the adjustments he'll face will really test his ability.
I too think they're a bit overrated, but then I thought well.. They have a lot of guys on the downturn of their careers with possible injury problems but they have so much production on that team. It's really hard to judge. But I think people forget the injury problems of Joe Johnson and how Deron WIlliams just looked bad last year especially in the playoffs (he sometimes struggled to take advantage of Nate Robinson). Deron had a horrible year and downturn in production. They have injury histories at the 1, 2, and 5 and Terry may have trouble staying healthy as well. If they don't struggle with injuries, I don't see them being any worse than a 4 seed but I think Vogel, Thibs, and Spo are going to out coach them.

As for their roster, it seems a bit overrated to me, it's full of scorers that will struggle to share the ball. Only 1 of their players has a true ability to do anything else and that's KG defensively. Deron used to be a double digit passer but really had a huge decline in production last year and only still has some inconsistent scoring. Brook Lopez isn't a good defender, is a poor rebounder, and of course is a scorer. Pierce like you said will be taken down a few notches as their option in scoring and it'll really look bad on the guy.

I really don't feel like this team is a good fit of 5 players, a lot of production and talent on their roster but I don't think it meshes but it could still be good enough to be a dominate team.

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Deron had a horrible year and

Deron had a horrible year and playoffs? Joe Johnson definitely did, but extending that to Deron is not factual.

Regular Season 18.9 PPG 7.7 APG 44 FG% 38 3FG%
Post All Star 22.9 PPG 8.0 APG 48 FG% 42 3FG%
Playoffs 20.6 PPG 8.4 APG 43 FG% 40 3FG%

While his PPG and APG dipped a little his percentages went up last season. After he recovered from injuries he was playing as good as any PG in the league.

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They are sort of like the

They are sort of like the Spurs. Only problem is the Spurs have YOUNG(ish) role players.

Spurs role players:

Kawhi Leonard: 22
Danny Green: 26
Tiago Splitter: 28
Boris Diaw: 31
Marco Bellinelli: 27

Nets role players:

Jason Terry: 35
Mason Plumlee: 23
Andray Blatche: 26
Andrei Kirilenko: 32
Kevin Garnett: 37

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kg ... role player ?... not

kg ... role player ?... not agree.

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Kwahi Leonard role player?

Kwahi Leonard role player? Someone did not watch the Spurs or even the NBA finals last year. Kawhi is a very good NBA player.

Actually, looking at that list, you just don't know what role player means. It means a player who does one or two things on the court and has limitations that keep him from contributing all over. Reggie Evans is a "role player". He also happens to be an exceptional one because he crushes at his role of grabbing rebounds. Andray Blatche can do just about anything on a basketball court (and will for better or worse). He is not a role player. He isn't a star, but on the Nets last year his "role" was lead the second units offense, defend the rim and grab rebounds. That isn't a role.

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Nets are overrated they will

Nets are overrated they will be a decent regular season team but teams with aging players who aren't that great anymore won't do much in the playoffs.

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Not overrated

This team won 49 games last year playing with virtually 3 guys on offense. Gerald Wallace and especially Reggie Evans literally didn't do anything on offense. It was also a team with a weak bench. The bench was bad and the coaching situation was as bad as it could be (switching coaches mid year) and they still won 49 games.

Now they have replaced starters Wallace and Evans with 2 HOF's and I don't care if they're old, if you think they can't be the best 4 & 5 men in the league then you don't know basketball. They've replaced a bench of Watson, Bogans, Brooks, Humphries and Blatche (Decent at best) with maybe now the deepest bench in the league with Livingston, Terry, Kirelenko, Evans, Blatche and Plumlee just to make that frontcourt deeper. Jason Kidd is a question mark but considering they fired their coach have way through the year last year I don't see how it could get worse. Joe Johnson and Paul Pierce are going to exploit SG, Daron wont be doubled off of pick n' roles anymore freeing up lanes to drive and kick or just take it in, and when someone actually has to guard the PF and respect the outside shooting, Lopez's FG% is going to be through the roof playing in 1 on 1 iso situations. The team has honestly gotten better in every way possible. They can even play small ball with KG at the 5, Kirelenko at the 4, and Terry at the 2.

Kidd is most likely going to run a simple Jerry Sloan Style offense and let his veterans make decisions. lots of high ball screens and isolations on the wing. That lineup is huge and with Lopez and Garnett's shot blocking, they're going to clog every lane on defense. They're big man style is going to be essential in the playoff's where they can dictate the tempo against teams like the Knicks and Heat.

The Nets are not being overrated.

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Amen

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On paper - we all thought the

On paper - we all thought the Lakers had the best team last season.....ON PAPER....

I think age and injuries will catch up with them.

Anyway it will be nice to see 4 HOF'ers play on the same team..... Pierce still has some juice left

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4 HOF'er?????

4 HOF'er?????

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Contenders

The Nets have a great team. They are a contender, probably 2nd in the east behind Miami. Though Indiana and Chicago are up there too, obviously.

It will be a superb offensive team, should be top top 3 in the league. Everyone will benefit from the spacing now that Pierce and Johnson will be playing together.

The question is defense. They are heavily reliant on KG, who is unlikely to play much more than 25 mpg. Deron, Johnson, Pierce are all good defenders.... but the real difference maker is KG. So we'll see how big an impact he has.

The AK-47 move was huge because it gives them another strong defender when KG is off the floor.

The assumption that Jason Kidd is going to be a poor coach is a very poor one. Kidd is well known as one of the best leaders in the NBA. He was already half coaching last year, and single-handedly resurrected Felton on the Knicks. Obviously he may have a slight weakness in Xs and Os, but this team has tons of experience. They'll probably be low maintenance from a coaching perspective.

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If Deron Williams is the

If Deron Williams is the elite PG he was before this team could potentially be a title contender. I just don't think he is an elite PG anymore and unless he really rededicated himself this summer they won't be a top 3 team in the East.

They should be solid offensively with so many guys you can just give the ball to and get a bucket. Defensively I think they will be average at best. They just don't have the young athletes to defend guys like LeBron, Paul George and DRose. As we know defense wins championships and while teams like the Lakers of last year and the Nets of this year look great on paper...they just don't have the team speed and athleticism to beat the younger elite teams in a 7 game series. The Heat, Bulls and Pacers all have a leg up on the Nets and that is simply because they are younger and much better defensively.

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everything should be linked

everything should be linked to KG and PP ability to digest their trade, keep the same fire and really commit to the nets. If they can they will transform what we know about lopez williams and johnson.

also I don't hink health should be a big issue, cause their bench is pretty good and deep.

Kidd will have to handle correctly the rotation and playing time, but I have faith in him. Kidd was a pg and has been basically a coach for the last 3/5 seasons

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I'm super skeptical about

I'm super skeptical about this Nets team, but I will
concede this, they are playoff built if they can stay healthy. That kind of experience and quality of players in the 2nd unit is going to either destroy other teams' 2nd units or force starters to play 40+ minutes and wear them down. This Nets team isn't the favorite, and they're gonna suck in 2 years, but this kind of depth and experience will allow these old timers to stay fresher in the regular season and if healthy in April, they could surprise some people.

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why will they suck in 2 years?

They can draft and sign free agents to replace aging players and obviously Prokorov is willing to spend money. There is no reason why they can't stay strong. Players actually want to play there now.

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Good point, but this team

Good point, but this team will be gone and they'll have to start from scratch or close to it. When you blow up a team you're in for a hard year, look at big markets like Chicago, LA, and even Dallas after winning it all in 2011 when you start to peel back an aging championship team or contender you're going to have down years. Maybe Prokorov can pull it off without a bad year or two, but it's happened before and it could very well happen again.

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that sounds better than "they are gonna suck", lol

Not every team has a big drop off. They have enough young-ish pieces to build around as the older players leave. Lopez, Blatche, and Plumlee will be around. Bogdanovich will be coming.Teletovic and Shengalia may develop. Add a couple decent draft picks and FA's and I think they can stay decent to strong. They will have cap space as Garnett, Pierce, Kirilenko, and Johnson retire.

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How can you ask if KG will

How can you ask if KG will come into the locker room acting like the big dog? When has KG ever been a locker room cancer?? If anything, players love playing with him because he is such a leader. At 37, he is not coming in and demanding shots, and I doubt he even averages more than 29 minutes a game.

This team won 49 games last year, and their biggest weakness was a lack of leadership. Now they have brought in 3 guys who fill that void, and I can bet Deron Williams will be more than motivated. I don't know what it is about this new generation that has such a distaste for older teams, but the Spurs prove year in and year out, that if you pace yourself well, it all works come playoff time. The biggest thing for the Nets is they have to stay healthy.

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I see them as overrated

I see them as overrated because they are getting some 2nd seed love and I think they will clearly be the 4.

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I don't see how you can say

I don't see how you can say Deron lost a step when he was dominating the 2nd half of the season.

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They might be old,but they're

They might be old,but they're SCARY....Unlike the Lakers all star bunch last season..All 5 of the starters are

1.very versatile offensively

2.can post up

3.good in isolation

4.and great passers...

And KG & Pierce are 2 of the most competitive players in the nba..And its going to be interesting seeing KG & AK47 on the floor at the same time..........

My only concerns are :

Will the team accept the fact that KG & Pierce will be the leaders?

And can everyone stay healthy? Becuz late season KG,Pierce,JJ,Lopez and D Will all missed some games becuz they had to deal with injuries.....

If they can stay healthy...I believe they'll be Miami's biggest threat in the east...

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Hmm... So last year Bulls

Hmm...

So last year Bulls beat Nets.

Now add a washed up PP, a washed up KG, and a semi-washed up Kirilenko to them.

And add Derrick Rose, Luol Deng, and the other 50% of Joakim Noah to the Bulls.

Yeah, they still don't have a shot at beating the Bulls, actually a worse shot, let alone Miami.

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I feel like you're severely

I feel like you're severely underrating the Nets. All these jokes about them being old are just ridiculous. And although you're assessments of these players are fair Proud Grandpa, you're only looking at half of the picture.

Deron Williams- For the last 24 games of the regular season, he looked the best has in his whole career, even better than Utah D-Will. He averaged 24 and 8 on 49% shooting during that stretch. I know it's not a huge sample size but he really looked like he'd overcome his ankle problems and returned to his starring ways. He's not a top 3 pg or a superstar but he's still a damn good pg and I wouldn't write him off as being "un-coachable".

Joe Johnson- He has definitely lost a step and isn't what he used to be, that much is true. But regardless, he's still big time, he's can still create for himself, and he can still score buckets. Remember, he was slowed by injuries for much of last season. Even though he's regressed and will continue to do so, you can't deny the fact that he can still get buckets.

Paul Pierce- Now this is where I feel like people are being plain disrespectful. Yes he's 35 years old, but he hasn't missed a beat for the last 5 years. Yes he's probably lost a step, but his production hasn't dipped one bit. He averaged 19 a game for the season last year, and he put up 19, 8 boards and 6 assists a game on 46% shooting for the 29 games after Rondo got hurt. If anything, he is their closer, he's the guy they turn to when things are going awry. If Paul Pierce is your number three option(assuming Lopez is their number 2) than your team is in a pretty good shape. He might be old in age, but not in his game, he'll still be very productive this season.

Kevin Garnett- He might be 37 years old, but I don't know why everyone acts as if he's the weak link, he averaged 15 and 8 last season and his mid range jump shooting compliments Brook Lopez's face-up game perfectly. And remember, guys like KG and Tim Duncan are FREAKS, remember Timmy in 2010-2011, he looked sluggish, old, and like his game was fading quickly. Now look, he was an absolute beast for 100 games this past season and nearly co-led the Spurs to a tittle. I'm not saying KG is going to be on the All-NBA first team, but to think he's going to be washed up all of a sudden is just not right. he'll be back and productive.

Brook Lopez- 19 and 7 with 2 blocks a game is sweet, and now he'll be playing alongside KG instead of Reggie Evans. No disrespect to Reggie because he just had the best rebounding season we've seen in a decade, but he's not an offensive threat, now defenders have to be honest with KG's offensive game,. Lopez is going to have a career year with all of these weapons surrounding him. To me, he along with guys like Jefferson, Pau, and Timmy are the most offensively skilled bigs in the game. Being 7"0 doesn't hurt as well.

Imagine if they manage KG and Pierce's minutes? What if they're fresh for the playoffs? That would be scary.

And they have the bench to do it. Reggie Evans is a beast on the boards, Andray Blatche averaged 10 and 5 in 19 mins per game, and during a 9 game stretch when Brook was out and he got 29 mins per game, he averaged 17 and 9. Shaun Livington can hold down the second unit, nothing special but a solid veteran PG. Jason Terry is getting older, but he can still hit threes and hit big shots. And Kirilenko is a great defender and can score as well.

I don't see personalities clashing or anything like that. They'll be just fine, and I have them as #1 in the East in the regular season. Miami is still head and shoulders the best team and with favorite to win the East, but I don't think they'll be up for the regular season, and I believe D-Wade's minutes are going to be monitored very conservatively. Not saying Brooklyn is the best team, but they to me, they have the best shot to knock off Miami along with the Bulls and Pacers. Just too many offensive weapons and big time clutch players.

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Celtics with KG and Pierce

Celtics with KG and Pierce couldn't beat the Heat 2 years ago when they had Rondo, Allen.

Now 2 years later with players that aren't clutch ppl think they are great.

The Lakers didn't win because of the coach, injuries and players didn't mesh well.
If Howard, Nash, Gasol were all healthy and they shared the ball with a coach who knew how to win they'd dominate.

Nets are great on paper probably the best starting 5 in the league but that doesn't mean they'll be elite.

Pierce isn't the same defensively and in the playoffs it shows.

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Not too sure they are

Not too sure they are overrated. The consensus is that they will be a 4 seed, exactly where I believe they will end up. Are they old? Yes. Are they title contenders? I guess. Do I think they will win the title? Nope. I don't see them beating the Heat, Bulls, or Pacers. So, I don't think they are overrated, unless you're listening to Nets fans themselves. They are what they are, an old but talented team who will probably end up with the 4th seed, and who will eventually lose in the second round to either the Heat or the Bulls (whichever of those get the 1 seed).

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I'm a big Nets fan (obvious

I'm a big Nets fan (obvious from my picture, I guess) and I was going to chime in. But aamir basically made all the right points. The key is DWill and his health. Right after the All Star break he said his ankle treatment had finally been effective. Then he basically started playing like a star. He couldn't dunk at the beginning of the season and then he was dunking in traffic.

Everyone uses the Bulls playoff loss as an example. But forgets that if CJ Watson finishes the wide open dunk off that steal or Nate Robinson doesn't bank in a running 20 foot jumper, the Nets win that game instead of losing in OT and the Nets most likely win the series. Get crushed by Miami, yes, but still everyone's view of the Nets changes. They were a good team last year. Even if they had just rolled back the same team and had DWill play healthy all year, they would have been the 4th seed again, I think. But KG and AK47 are going to improve the team defense dramatically (though Reggie won't get minutes, so the Nets won't dominate the glass anymore). And Pierce and a healthy DWill is going to improve the offense (which was about 9th in the league last year) significantly. Also Joe Johnson will probably get better looks and raise his shooting percentage back to something closer to his career numbers.

But I'm not going to go crazy. They don't have a transcendent star in their prime like Lebron or KD. I think the Nets are going to be about a 50 to 55 win team. And I think they get the third spot behind Indiana and ahead of the Bulls. For the Bulls folks are assuming Rose comes back at 100% and stays on the court. He has now had two knee injuries (with the second one happening very quickly once he returned to action) and obviously has some mental demons to overcome as well. He needs elite speed and hops to play his game and he might not have all of it anymore.

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Brookl<3n

Heat may still be the favorites, but I feel like they have a lot more holes than the Nets now do.

People say PP & KG are old and regressing, what about Wade? Wade was quite unimpressive for the most part last year, he is not aging well at all, and will likely be worse this year. Call me crazy but I'll take PP over Wade, PP has regressed far less.

Then there's Bosh, I'm a big Bosh fan even though I do not like the Heat. But he's very inconsistent, and is playing way out of position for the Heat. Give me KG over Bosh any day. Bosh may be younger, but KG even at 37 is a better shooter, defender, and rebounder than Bosh.

LeBron is LeBron, I don't see any decline in him this year obviously. But that's where the Heat roster stops, and then the Nets still have Deron Williams, Brook Lopez, and Joe Johnson.

Mario Chalmers? I'd take Jason Terry over him, heck I'd even take Coach Kidd over Mario.

Fact of the matter is the Nets have undeniably the best roster in the league. It will all come down to chemistry, but I just don't see any chemistry issues, they're all serious vets (aside from Lopez) with one goal in mind. People say Deron could be an issue, but I just don't see it. Why? Rondo is a much bigger headcase than Deron ever will be, and PP/KG had no issues playing alongside Rondo.

People bring up the Lakers, well Dwightmare is a walking chemistry issue, if you didn't see that coming then you need mental help. Nash was injured for the most part, Kobe was still strong until he got injured. But even still, this Nets lineup way outshines the Lakers lineup last year.

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"Fact of the matter is the

"Fact of the matter is the Nets have undeniably the best roster in the league. "

They don't have one top 10 player in the league. Save the 04 Pistons, when has a team ever won the title without one of those?

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When has a team ever had a

When has a team ever had a top 10 player at every single position? Never that I can recall, unless you want to go several decades back perhaps.

There's quality, and then there's quantity; The nets surprisingly have both.

Also, I don't think Deron Williams is a top 10 player, but there's a lot of people who would argue he is.

A roster consists of 12(15) players, not 1 player. When I say they have the best roster I mean they're stacked from top to bottom better than any other team, it's called depth.

I said absolutely nothing about them winning the championship. The topic of discussion is whether the Nets are overrated, my response was to reinforce that I do not think they're overrated I believe they're a legit contender.

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"I said absolutely nothing about them winning the championship.

I do not think they're overrated I believe they're a legit contender."

This is what's wrong with people like you. You outsmart yourself. This makes no sense. To me, legit contender = definitely a team that *could* win the championship. But I'm sure you will go on as you always do about how that doesn't make any sense and isn't true and how much better your opinion is than everyone else's.

Deron Williams is not a top 10 player in the league. My argument stated nothing about basketball being a 1 man team, it simply stated that history has told us you need a Top 10 player to win a title. LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, and Shaq have won 12 out of the last 15 titles while being the best player in the league. Of the other 3, two of them, the Mavs and Heat won when their best player was playing like the best player in the world.

My point is, you can't have a bunch of fringe guys and be a legit contender, again, as in could actually reasonably win the title. People are forgetting how banged up and incomplete that Chicago team is that beat a good chunk of this team, and how terribly worn down Pierce and KG looked by the playoffs. So yes, your notion about all 5 of their starters being top 10 at their position is true.

The Chicago Bulls right now have a top 10 player at all 5 positions, a better coach, a far better defense, and a far better best player. Indiana has arguably a top 5 player at all 3 frontcourt spots, and we haven't even touched on Miami, who is probably the best of them all.

I think the Nets can absolutely get the 4th seed. And that makes them a good team, which I'm not disagreeing with. But you are trying to play the "Legit Contender but can't win the title" in between game to prove that you're admiration for their roster is worth something but without actually committing to predicting them to do anything of significance.

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Not sure you can say they

Not sure you can say they have a top 10 player at every position.

Yes they have a top 10 players but not at every position.

Pierce, Joe Johnson and even KG have dropped a lot.

Lets look at some other players who might be top 15 at their position

At SF not sure since Lebron, Durant, George, Deng, Iguodala, Gay, Leonard, Batum, Marion

At SG Kobe, Harden, Wade, Ellis, Klay Thompson, Evans, Kevin Martin, JR Smith, Crawford, Matthews, Mayo

At PF Melo, Zebo, Aldridge, Duncan, Love, Griffin, Bosh, Boozer, Gasol, Faried, Horford, West, Nene, Lee, Ibaka

At PG Parker, CP3, Westbrook, Curry, Irving, Wall, Rose, Rondo, Holiday, Lawson, Conley

At C Howard, Gasol, Jefferson, Chandler, Noah, Bynum, Pekovic, Cousins, Hibbert, Vucevic

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If you honestly and truly

If you honestly and truly believe that:

Shawn Marion is better than Paul Pierce

Tyreke Evans, JR Smith, Jamal Crawford, and Wesley Matthews are better than Joe Johnson

Ibaka, Nene, and Boozer are better than Garnett

Pekovic, Vucevic and Jefferson are better than Lopez....

Wall, Holiday, Lawson, Conley are better than Williams

You've really got to start watching these guys a little more...

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The Nets have huge experience

The Nets have huge experience and depth but my main concern for them is the window of opportunity they have left to challenge and the flexability they will have to change the roster. Plus J-Kidd is an unproven Coach no matter how great a player he was and in say a key play off match up, I wonder if he could be outcoached.

I don't see the likes of KG and PP having an issue with J-Kidd as their coach, if they had stayed at Boston I feel that Brad Stevens as a novice NBA Coach and without the playing resume of J-Kidd may have had to earn respect from them more than J-Kidd will.

D-Will still had an elite year last year and although his Assist rate was down he was still 5th in apg and total assists last year and with J-Kidd as his coach, he can learn how to refine his game and have longevity.

As I said earlier in this post, it is the window to win with this roster which is small. PP is a free agent next summer, lets say Ray Allen retires at Miami and Pat Riley calls PP next summer and says come and play around LeBron and D-Wade for a couple of years or another stronger contender comes in for him. If PP moved on might KG retire etc, that is before you consider the age of KG, PP, Jason Terry etc.

Also the East is loaded, Miami will be favourites again, the Pacers will be strong again and could improve if Grainger returns and George develops, Chicago if D-Rose comes back anything like his old self will be over 50 wins, the Knicks will be looking for 50 plus wins again. So I'd say the Nets will probably be 4th or 5th seeds again next season.

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Kg came to the nets bc he was

Kg came to the nets bc he was promised he will not have to consistently play more than 25-30 min a game. Prob the same will go for pierce

So the nets key to get to the post season is the play of everyone, especially the bench. Once in the playoffs, i feel bad for whoever has to face them. A little speed here and there lost but these guys still can give you several games from the past.

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