Hi you guys doing. I post from time to time and wanted to see what you guys thought.
Me and my boy were talking about guards in this draft that played sg in college, but could transition into a point on the next level. I think James Harden has that potential. I have watch this guy all year and he has very good court vision. He averages 4.2 assist while being the teams number one option for their offense. I think he may be undersized for the sg position in the league. Do any of you think he would be able to translate his game to become a pg in the NBA. I think a team like New York would take him and try to play him at point or sg. He would be deadly for NY if he could learn the position better because he plays with so much poise, is a willing passer, and is a good shooter. Any thoughts?
If Brandon Roy can, then why cannot James Harden since they are very similar players.
Roy is taller and a much more explosive scorer. He can demand a double team off the dribble and then find open teamates. Harden will not command double teams. He can shoot and handle the ball i just dont see him quick enough to get double teams or blow past other point guards. Spot up shooter good teamate for Harden. Roy is one of the best on the next level.
Harden would have to work on getting in better shape (i.e losing some weight and getting more toned) to even have a chance to play point in the NBA (and he would still be a long shot). I think he needs to be quicker to play point in the NBA.
I really don't agree with this statement. He is not fat or out of shape or as slow as you make him sound. Even if he was that still would not make him less effective. Look at Andre Miller. He is slow and he is not in the greatest tone of any point guard in the league and it doesn't make him less effective with what he does on the floor. Andre uses his size and dribble to set up his defender.
Andre Miller is a true PG he has always played point so it was natural for him to become a PG in the league.
James Harden is a SG and he would have to transition to PG in a league where thats the hardest to play. The reason why I said Harden would have to get in better shape is because with PLYOMETRICS he would lose a little weight and COULD be faster therfore he would have a chance to play PG in the league. And compared to Harden, Andre Miller has superior IQ, understanding of angles (especially on defense), nicer handle, and better first step (to make up for the lack of speed) which gives him the ability to play PG.....
James Harden can easily transition to a PG. He has great size and his court vision is fantastic. He went to the Deron Williams Chris Paul Summer workouts for a reason. He can def be a PG at the next level and his jump shot will carry him to be a even better player.
Averaging 3 TO for every 4 assist is PG material? Harden is a SG not a PG he just happens to be a good ball distributor but he is a SG... He could probaly play point for couple minutes a game but NOT full time.
Still very slow... Can he play SF then?
To easy, NO!!! I think to many people like this guy. He disappeared in the both the PAC10 and NCAA tourney's. I just have a gut feeling that he won't be much in the NBA. If can add a consistent jumper, that would obviously help him (keep him on the floor for something). I just have a hard time seeing him guard the two in the NBA, much less score on the other two's. I hate the MANU comparison, they have nothing in common. Manu when on, can score on ANYONE in the league. I just don't see that potential in Hardin. time will tell.
Harden is not a point guard. He is a good passer and a play maker so he will have the ball a lot to create but he can't be a point guard because he is not fast enough. He can be a Manu, Roy, Wade, etc. type who has the ball most of the time at end of games.
I think while he may not be a point guard he can be a great playmaking guard at the two and pairing him with Foye in Minnnesota looks really appealing.
He went 3 for 18 in his two NCAA tourney games. Some go to guy. He has bust written all over him. In those two games he had 8 assist and 6 to's. Some playmaker. Sure its only two games, but the MOST IMPORTANT two games of his career to that point.
College and the NBA are different. Some players are easier to slow down in college because on that team they are the only real threat. Harden is still a solid player who would compliment a lot of superstars and make his team better. Even Kobe and Iverson can go in slumps. 2 games should not be the deciding factor for a whole career of quality play.
That being said if this draft were a little stronger I could see him making a Paul Pierce and Caron Butler like fall.
He probably won't be a PG (never say never) at the next level, not for lack of talent though. I agree with billyk in that he isn't in elite shape and besides that, he lacks great lateral quickness so imagine him trying to D up CP3 or Godforbid, Derrick Rose. Hell, he got burned by Jonny Flynn!
On top of that, which is my primary argument, he turns the ball over too much (only a 1.25 asst/t.o ratio) although that doesnt mean he lacks court vision necessarily. But the stat indicates to me either: he has worse awareness than I think, or he is a poor ball-handler. I lean towards the latter.
Disclaimer: None of this is meant to deride Harden. I think hes a fantastic prospect and will be an effective SG at the next level, he just lacks PG-skills. He's a top 10 prospect and I think a career along the likes of "elder" Paul Pierce (20/5/3) is not out of the question.