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- Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 2:29pm #25083
j1232eParticipantAK out. rookie Gordan Haywood in. Please replace Raja Bell also! I know Miles brings a spark of the bench, but I have not been impressed with Raja all season long. A trade has to happen a 2 gaurd for the jazz to make a splash this post season.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 2:36pm #477701
IndianaBasketballParticipantI predicted that Gordon Hayward would be given an opportunity to start by the middle of the season. Looks like I was right (Sheltwon can’t stand it).
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 2:39pm #477703
j1232eParticipantHpefully AK doesn’t brake down and cry!
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 2:45pm #477705
The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipantWhen he’s on the Jazz are.a top team out west…when he struggles the team looks middle of the pack…they need to start Hayward with AK47….
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 3:13pm #477715
IndianaBasketballParticipantThe Jazz’s offense looks terrible… It’s like the spacing isn’t right.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 3:17pm #477719
j1232eParticipantIt’s been like this the last week or two. DWill called out his team the other day saying nobody know the playbook, and players are only playing for themselfs.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 3:20pm #477720
IndianaBasketballParticipantThey’re also not playing any defense.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 3:22pm #477722
butidonthavemoneyWhy? Besides Watson, Kirilenko was the only player who hasn’t sucked the last few games.
I say we put AK back in and replace D-Will with Earl Watson in the starting lineup.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 3:24pm #477723
IndianaBasketballParticipantHas the bench play been bad lately? Maybe that has something to do with why Sloan moved Kirilenko to the bench.
They said on NBATV that Kirilenko plays better when he’s on the floor with Okur.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 3:24pm #477724
j1232eParticipantthat had better been a joke, or I have lost all faith in you.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 3:31pm #477729
butidonthavemoneyDo I look like I’m joking?
The bench has been picking up the slack for our starters all season. You think it’s a coincidence that we always start off horribly? We must be the worst 1st quarter team in the NBA. Earl Watson has been the MVP of the Utah Jazz this season. He’s pretty much the key to all these "miraculous" comebacks.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 3:36pm #477732
butidonthavemoneyOur comeback lineup looks like:
PG: Earl Watson
SG: Ronnie Price
SF: CJ Miles
PF: Andrei Kirilenko
C: Francisco Elson/Kyrlyo Fesenko
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 3:40pm #477733
j1232eParticipantNo, the starters have been bad. But the Jazz are nothing without Williams. Watson gives a good 14 minutes a game of hustle, ronnie price has also been a great hustle guy. This does not mean bench the only allstar the Jazz have.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 3:47pm #477736
CodySLCParticipantCome on you cant really think he’s serious about benching the best pg in the league. The Jazz probably wouldnt make the playoffs without D Will.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 3:48pm #477735
CodySLCParticipantA.K. is playing well of the bench tonight. Hayward hasnt scored. In a perfect world Gordon would just develop into a really good shooter and become more consistant. Then he could start at 2 with A.K. at 3, and keep Miles as 6th man. Honestly i think C.J. Miles has shown he can ball and deserves a chance to start. In that case hopefully Hayward came become the 6th man at some point.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 3:49pm #477737
butidonthavemoneyDo I look like I’m not serious?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 4:00pm #477739
The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipantSloane would have something to say about the Jazz not making the playoffs without Williams…great coaches get great results from their players. Look at Wes Matthews, Cj Miles, Ronnie Price, Krylo Fesenko, should I continue to name the stars that surround Williams, he needs to be sat down if he doesn’t play hard…the same goes for any one in this league…
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 4:02pm #477742
CodySLCParticipantIf you are might might as well take it one step farther and trade him to L.A. or Miami for a second round pick. Then draft Irving with the first pick. Cuz when he’s gone thats how bad we would be.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 4:07pm #477744
butidonthavemoneyI’ve always wondered about that. Benching an all star would change the entire dynamic of the game. Would be fun to see.
For the record, I’m not serious. I’m just grumpy because my team is on a losing streak and my favorite player just got benched. Deron Williams is playing bad, but he’s playing hard. He’s still the leader.
I maintain that Earl Watson has been our MVP though.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 4:08pm #477746
butidonthavemoneyYou can’t be serious. We could probably swing a 1st round pick for Williams.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 4:13pm #477748
CodySLCParticipantOf course im not serious. We really need to stop fooling around and just start our best 5. Which includes A.K. and Miles. Bell is better off as a role player.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 4:14pm #477749
The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipantIs to trade him to one of the stacked contenders in the Nba…I wonder if that’s why we don’t see it in the League…Maybe that’s why teams allow bad defenders to stay on the court, cause if u bench them they’ll demand a trade to the Lakers…I know it was a joke of sorts but that’s kinda the mentality the players/agents/gm’s have…if there’s one issue with benching a player bye bye player or coach…
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 4:26pm #477752
CodySLCParticipantOf course as a Jazz fans we were both joking. The reason i said it was because trading him would be the only think worse than benching him. If you can play like that your not on the bench when the game starts.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 4:34pm #477755
CodySLCParticipantOh and not to be a buzz kill Indianabasketball but Hayward already started a few game a long time ago
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 5:28pm #477768
SwatLakeCityParticipantThis is pathetic and I’m sick of it too, but benching dwill is not the answer nor will it ever be. The only time you should bench your allstar is if a: they are injured or b: they don’t come to practice and you have to discipline them somehow (and even then its risky), but (b) is definitely not dwill’s problem, nor is he hurt so therefore he should not be benched EVER.
The only starter that should be benched is Bell. I think Sloan realizes this and is scared because of past experience. He’s tried starting Miles before at the 2 guard before but he ends up really streaky and can’t play very well for many games. He also plays no defense when this happens. In the past he was a one dimensional player and that’s what Sloan didn’t like about him (And he put up way too many 3’s when he was struggling) But now he plays defense, grant it not great "AK" defense but what do you expect; he doesn’t have his wingspan nor his length. So basically I think Sloan is scared that when he starts CJ, he will struggle to score and then play weak defense. I don’t blame him but I also tend to think, he’s in his 5th year. He’s been here for quite awhile so he should be past this. He’s played quite well off the bench. Not lately but before this 4 game losing streak he was getting about 15pts a night off the bench!! I would kill to have those kinds of numbers consistently from Bell in the starting lineup but that ain’t gonna happen EVER. Start CJ, how bad could it be. Our bench has a lot of old players anyways: Watson, Elson, Okur, why not add one more that plays stingy defense and could really give this team a boost just like Earl Watson and Ronnie Price do.
They need to start out hot, and win the first quarter. That’s all it takes. Come out firing, playing INSPIRED basketball and showing every team who we are. Lately the Jazz have been hitting the wrong notes and consequently the Jazz get a horribly played song yet the conductor doesn’t stop them. Listen to Dwill, run with him, play hard, and play like I know you can. CJ’s young energy can do all this for the Jazz. The Jazz start a bunch of young players (except for AK and Bell) Add another one and there should be more energy which is exactly what the Jazz need.
The Jazz had better get it together come Tuesday against LA or we might be seeing the Jazz in the lottery. (This CANNOT HAPPEN)
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 6:33pm #477791
The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipantKrylo and Utah’s 1st rounder for Jodie Meeks and Tony Battie…thoughts…
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 6:53pm #477797
j1232eParticipantFez, raja, utah 1st. for OJ Mayo.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 7:00pm #477799
SwatLakeCityParticipantI wouldn’t give up Utah’s first rounder for Meeks and Battie for many reasons. First of all Battie should just retire. He hasn’t played a game of basketball in I don’t know how long. And he certainly isn’t gonna be playing any basketball if he comes to the Jazz. He’s worse then Elson, He’s washed up and he wasn’t that good to begin with. He was good like 5 years ago. 5 years ago!!! Do you really think he’s gonna start play like he did five years ago when he hasn’t even played a minute with the Sixers yet. (I haven’t watched all the Sixer games but I just watched a Jazz-Sixer game and not once did I hear Battie’s name announced by the announcer) Not to say that he didn’t come in but if he did he didn’t score any points or do relatively anything, do you really think that will change if he comes to the Jazz.
I feel offended that you would even mention that offer Scarecrow. Fesenko is not this pathetic player that doesn’t know how to play and therefore does not get any minutes on the court. We he comes in he actually plays well, plays hard, may not score too many points but he’s not a scorer, he’s plays defense and does his darn best doing so. (I’d rather have a defensive player then a one dimensional offensive player that gets no rebounds) That’s not what Battie is but since he won’t be playing a minute what’s the difference. Defense is better than Offense. But he won’t get a single thing defensive wise let alone offensive wise.
Jodie Meeks is playing great right now but he’s playing well for a bad team, and he doesn’t have much potential to begin with. The Jazz need a SG who can start. Who can score 15 points each night, play defense, and fits within the Jazz. Meeks does one of those things. (Fits in with the Jazz) If he comes to the Jazz he won’t start, and even if he did, he won’t score 15 points a night, and he’ll play defense but no better defense than Kyle Korver. Yeah when Korver is hot, he’s hot and scores a bunch of points, but when he’s not, he sucks. And frankly that happened way too often when he was with the Jazz. There’s a reason why he played off the bench, and that is exactly what will happen to Meeks if he comes over to Utah.
So scarecrow, that trade is about the most biased trade you could possibly think of. Sorry but the truth hurts. Your trade was really pathetic and sucked.
On another note: I want to change what I said in my last post. The Jazz won’t be in the lottery if they don’t make a lineup change soon involving Miles but they will be in 6th-8th place and have a first round exit. This is a failure by Jazz standards and by my standards (especially with how high the Jazz have set the bar in the past) That is exactly the point I was trying to bring up with my earlier post. If the Jazz do not make a lineup change involving Miles then they will fail by their high standards.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 7:11pm #477803
SwatLakeCityParticipantI would love that trade j1232e but unfortunately Memphis would never accept that. They treat Mayo like they found gold in the San Francisco Gold Rush. Not saying they shouldn’t but it’s gonna be awfully hard for the Jazz to convince the Grizzlies to give up Mayo let alone any team. The Jazz would have to give up AK, find a third team because the salaries don’t match and like I said in my earlier post giving up AK now is just not worth it. I’m willing to give him up but for the price that other teams are offering… No. No team is willing to drop salary or we would have heard something by now or something would have been very close to going down. Aint gonna happen. Wish we could have Mayo but with that offer, no way the Grizzlies would accept.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 9:24pm #477825
bigblackNbeautifulParticipantI miss Wes and to be honest…. isnt what he brings to the table what we need….. A shooter. Check. Defensive Boost. Check. Some one who consistantly gets 15-17 check. intensity. check. consistant. check. Watching him in portland really makes me sad cause he is what the jazz are missing this year.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 9:30pm #477826
The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipantBecause your dreaming about Mayo, JR Smith , Nick Young, James Harden or Jesus Mary and Joseph for the garbage you’d offer in any trade. Meeks is young, cheap and actually a decent defender…if Williams can make Miles look decent he’ll make Meeks look like Ray Allen…Fes is a Bum, he’s a big body and 6 fouls…Battie would be the 4th or 5th big man for a year…isn’t that what Fes is…or u holding on to Fes becoming a actual player in this league…It’s basicly Meeks for late 1st rounder,…Fes and Battie are trade fodder…Can u get better maybe…but I think not…would u like this next trade I’m posting…
0 - Posted on: Sun, 01/23/2011 - 4:29am #477847
IndianaBasketballParticipant"Oh and not to be a buzz kill Indianabasketball but Hayward already started a few game a long time ago"
I know. When he started a few games earlier in the season, it didn’t really seem like anything permanent. Based on what I heard on NBATV it sounded like starting Hayward and bringing AK off of the bench would be a little more permanent or at least last awhile.
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