Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
Detroit and Milwaukee are nearing a sign-and-trade agreement to send Brandon Jennings to the Pistons, league sources tell Y! Sports.
What do you all think?
I just saw this and to me it's a boom or bust fit. If Jennings can be more consistent with his shot it could help the Pistons offense immensely. However, Jennings and Smith on the same team also sounds like a ticking time bomb. We'll see how it plays out.
Wonder who the Pistons give up in this deal?
well ima wait until I see which players are involved... not feeling this trade regardless... this is an attempt for joe d to put fans back into the seats
well, for me, its going to work.. im actually looking to get a season ticket package for the pistons, or a partial season, after hearing this.
I don't like it. I heard the contract is for 3 years 24 million. That part is nice, it's about where he is and he'll be 26 when the deal is up.
I don't like the deal fit wise though. Brandon Jennings, with Drummond, Smith, and Monroe. He's shown he can be an inefficient scorer but not much of a facilitator. I think he can do it but I don't think he will. All in all, this is a bad fit.
But this does give him the opportunity to prove he can be true all around point guard. If he does, his next deal can be huge.
I'm predicting 14 points, 8 assists, 3 rebounds, and 2 steals, while shooting 41% and 39% from three this season.
There havent really been any other players for Jennings to get involved on the Bucks teams he's been on the last few years. He had an aging and incredibly declined Michael Redd for one season, Monta Ellis who isnt exactly efficient himself, and the next best options have been guys like Larry Sanders and Ersan Ilyasova, who can fit roles, but arent exactly number one options. Jennings was put into a situation where he was told to be the number one option, and while he took some really bad shots and wasnt any where close to the distributor or decision maker he should of been, he played how people shouldve expected in the situation he was in. In Detroit, with Billups helping tutoring him, and with a number of other offensive options, I think at least his percentages will increase to the 45% range and up. I feel a breakout year coming from him if he can get the superstar mentality out.
If I had to guess, I would say some sort of deal with Brandon Knight involved.
I swear, if the Pistons give up Drummond or Monroe, I'm going to hate them forever.
You don't give up a great young big man for a high usage, low efficiency guard.
Brick city is coming to Detroit........Smith, Jennings and Knight throwing up bad percentages from the perimeter is going to be ugly (more offensive rebounds for Monroe and Drummond though lol).........hopefully Billups, KCP, Datome and Middleton can help even it out.
I've never been a big fan of Jennings. He can get on a hot streak and he is fun to watch but I don't see him being able to truly lead a team as a floor general.
3 years 24 million, you have to think Jennings is feeling pretty down considering that if he was a free agent last year, he would've gotten a guaranteed 4 year 58 million dollar deal along the lines of what Eric Gordon got last year. To think he missed out on 34 million just by being drafted one year later is pretty crazy. I don't know how Calderon, Knight, and Jennings are all going to work together, assuming that they don't send one of them in a sign and trade.
well calderon is a mav so no problem... but bynum is still there
Detroit seems to be doing what they did a few years ago by grabbing Gordon, and Charlie V. Going for bigger names instead of good team fits.
Detroit has to be the most unique team in the league if this trade goes down. A lot of individual talent, but I have no idea how they are going to get it all to fit together. Their top three players all struggle to shoot and have some serious position overlap, their best passer is a big man, and their two biggest offseason acquisitions are widely known for their poor shot selection and erratic decision making on the court.
The Pistons could make the playoffs next year if they gel at all, but I don't think the ceiling of this team is very high without a significant altering of the roster sometime down the line. Just not enough shooting and no great perimeter playmakers. Their top three players all want to get the ball close to the rim, which is a problem for floor spacing.
knight should be involved (and maybe kcp too)...
I don't think it's a really good idea. The kid is talented but not very efficient AND very difficult to trade (even at 8M a year as reported) in a nba full of starting caliber quality point point guard.
I'm not a Knight fan but I rather have him at his age and his price than Jennings with a young developing team. I fear Jennings will stunt Drummond and KCPs growth.
PLEASE GIVE US MONROE. PLEASE GIVE US MONROE. PLEASE GIVE US MONROE.
Its not likely but Dumars runs that team like a 15 year old on 2K so I guess it could happen.
knight kravtsov and middleton are reported to be the deal...
The Pistons will send Brandon Knight to the Bucks as part of the package for Jennings, league sources tell Y! Sports.
Knight is in the deal as part of the package reported by Adrian Wojnarowski
pistons send knight, kravstov, and middleton
Yeah Good luck getting Jennings to listen to Chauncey.
Sign and trade Jennings for Knight. Detroit gives up one undersized SG/scoring PG who isn't a head case for an older, undersized SG/scoring PG who is a head case.
Not enough of an overall improvement to justify the risk, if you ask me.
That gives Milwaukee
That's a lot of 7 footers and combo guards
yes but they gave up all their head case to get decent players with better attitude AND they avoid overpaying ellis/jennings.
Don't get me wrong I love the fact that they moved on from all three Jennings, Redick and Ellis. Should be a very scrappy blue-collar team. There's just not much roster balance at all with no proven SFs, should be an interesting team to watch though with a lot of potential.
I can see them playing lots of small ball without a true sf or "big" with ilyasova/henson/sanders on the court.
or maybe they could make a run at mo williams their former pg !
If you notice the roster is at 15 after this trade and Wolters has not been signed yet... That tells me either they aren't going to sign Wolters now(which I doubt) or another trade may be coming... I'd have to think that Ish Smith could be on the way out now that we have Knight or possibly Udoh... I also wouldn't be surprised to see Kratsov redirected in a trade... Any deal I think would be for an established SF although I really like Middleton and think he will be very good... All in all I like the deal...
Good deal for the Bucks. At least Knight is still on a rookie contract and won't need to be extended for a couple of yrs.
Getting rid of Jennings is addition by subtraction.
I don't know what the hell Dumars is doing. I don't think Monroe is good enough to offset the lowest IQ team in the league.
What is it with Dumars and big names? JoeWolf I agree........this is Charlie V. and Gordon all over again......just on a bigger scale.......really disappointing group they have put around Drummond, Monroe and newly drafted KCP........and I was getting really excited about this teams growth potential.......not a fan of Smith or Jennings.
To Dumars: Just because they are big names doesn't mean they are an automatic fit.
Time for Dumars to let someone else make the personnel decisions.
You have 3 players (jennings, monroe, and drummond) who have yet to reach their potential. If they put their egos aside and are well-coached, I see a nice young core for the future. Teach Jennings how to slow the tempo down and be a passer when needed. If Smith finally finds his niche in this offense, you have a good offensive weapon and a defensive beast. Wait 3-4 years for Drummond to become a top 2-3 center in the league.
I can see in a couple years where all playoff teams are above .500. The young gun teams like the Pistons, Cavs, Wiz, Raptors climbing up and building their cores. Going up against the Bulls, Heat, Pacers, etc. in a couple years. The Eastern Conference's future is looking bright!
The pistons gave up Brandon Knight, Khris Middelton and Slava Kratsov...
city broke... smith got 54M... jennings got 24M...
WTF is happening in detroit this summer ?!!! Somethin about a native american cemetary or what ?
Hopefully, for the Pistons' sake, this allows Jennings to shoot less, focus more on distributing, and become more efficient. As far as pure point guard skills go, I think that Jennings has more potential to lead a team (although both are score-first guards). I think he is a better fit than Knight. Dumars is certainly enamored with names, but I think he's just trying to amass as much talent as possible in hopes to improve. He was definitely done that with additions of Smith, Jennings, KCP, and Billups while only really losing Knight and Calderon. Talent wise, the Pistons are far above what they were last year. Fit wise, not sure there was much of an improvement... probably took a step back.
Detroit started the offseason with a team that looked like it had one of the brightest futures in the NBA. Then they passed up Trey Burke, signed Josh Smith and traded for Brandon Jennings which has essentially put them in that 6-8th seed range of hell. What a waste.
Dude, Trey Burke wouldn't have been the pistons savior. After watching his summer league, I see why Joe D passed on him (struggle to get shot off and get others involved). KCP looked a little better. As for Josh Smith, you havent seen him playing with the pistons yet. I would say that the pistons are good position to get better. They traded Knight got better youth pg Brandon Jennings . Chauncey Billups can still mentor him to be better. Also they still have Stuckey and Villianueva as trade bait to get another "Serviceable" player. Things are looking bright for detroit, and they are far from a waste.
Doesn't matter if Smith and Jennings are better they don't fit the team at all. Burke is the type of PG they needed, and Knight would thrive as a 6th man. Drummond and Monroe were a perfect combination except now they added Smith who will either play the 3 (where he sucks and can't spread the floor) or hurt the development of one of the other bigs. Brandon Jennings isn't the type of guy who compliments any of those players either. Detroit screwed this offseason up royally.
First, He doesn't have great handle and he doesn't have good court vision so the word thrive is a little strong. Second, what makes you think he is going to want to suddenly take to the bench so a rookie can get mins at his position? offloading knight was a good move for team chemistry... yes, i realized I just said that bringing in Jennings and trading knight was a good move for team chemistry...
What makes you think he is in a position to argue about being a starter? He's been decent the last 2 years and is better when he doesn't have to try and run the team. As a 6th man he'd be in a much better position to succeed against 2nd units. Whether you realize it or not, you are still wrong. Adding Jennings and Smith is about the worst thing you could do for team chemistry because they are both me-first players with low-IQ's.
"If you are adding Jennings, then getting rid of knight is a good move" is really what I meant. I saw the two of them sharing a locker room as a potential conflict for precisely the same reasons that you do not like adding smith and jennings in general.
However, I would totally disagree with the statement that Knight has been decent... he really isn't decent at anything other than guarding his position.... maybe his three pointers are above average.. he doesn't have the handle or the vision to be a point guard... watching pistons games last year you would see that every time Bynum came in and knight came out the ball was getting pounded down low. This is how the pistons offense needs to run.. get the ball to Monroe or throw it up for Drummond to slam down.
Jennings is an erratic shooting, me-first guard, but he has the skill to break down his defender and make that pass. Kinght just can't do that..or at least hasn't shown that he can yet.
I'm not a fan of Knight at all but it's hard to say he hasn't been decent so far. Also when I say he'd be a 6th man I mean as a scoring guard, not running the offense.
He is going to be a project in the pro's because of his size. I think he will look better than summer league, it will just take a year or two. I think Dumars will be fired if they don't make the playoffs this year, so I don't think the Pistons have the patience to wait another year . Remember they owe that Pick that is top 8 protected last year... even if burke stinks they are prob still better than 9 other teams.
In hindsight, The move that is likely going to hurt them is not moving up for Mclemore. I dunno If Caldwell-Pope has a ceiling higher than "slightly above average shooting guard," whereas mclemore could be really good. we'll see.
Good trade could either make the team improved or stay at the level they had with knight . Jennings gets to shoot as much as he wants with no legit two guard could see him averaging 21 on horrible fg percentage
Jennings will be more of a point guard now..it's not that he cant it's because with the bucks they went as he went and he started thinking he was his idol (Allen Iverson) and he isn't that type of player. I think he'll have a more balanced game now that he's around other scorer's and finally mold into that tony parker type people talk about so much.
This is an odd team and definitely one I'll keep my eye on.
Jennings is a player that is always looking to score the ball and does so at a low rate while JSmoove is the same way. Throw in two developing bigs in there and it might seem as if Smith/Jennings might stunt the growth of Monroe and Drummond.
On the other hand, Jennings has shown flashes that he can dish out very good passes and has great court vision. Maybe playing in Milwaukee is the reason he took so many bad shots. I mean, the best player he played with was just as inefficient as him. Maybe running the pick-n-roll for the first time since Bogut's injury a few years back might make this deal worth it.
All in all, if Jennings decides to pass the ball and shoot less, this can be a steal of a deal. By that same token, it could be a completely wreck.
For Milwaukee though, they lose a key player that nobody wanted to touch and he did not want to go back to Milwaukee. The Bucks simply had no leverage in this deal. This was probably the best deal Milwaukee could have gotten for Jennings at this point, to be honest. But if Knight pans out, as well as Henson and Giannis; they could be a pretty decent team in 3 year's time.
Who's the first option on this team? Smith?!?! Jennings?!?! This team will need drill sergeant coaching because discipline on offense is gonna be a problem.
They should have just resigned Calderon. They would have had a facilitating PG who could have hidden J.Smith's weaknesses while helping Monroe and Drummond develop. Now this team has no identity, and no responsible voice on offense.
If Detroit flounders this year Dumars needs to be shown the door. Plain and simple.
Greatmove for Detroit to me. Jennings was talking about the max and he really didn't s***. And the biggest thing to me about the J Smoove and Jennings contracts is that if they don't work, they aren't that long and they'll still be able to extend Monroe and Drummond if they deem necessary. And it would be super dumb to compare this to Charlie V and Gordon. Both players are infinite better, younger when they were signed and tons more potential. At least DET is going for it and not putting a &$#%#&@! ass product on the floor as some teams are.
Is Joe Dumars trying to kill Billups' career another time or ruin his futur Pistons GM job ?
Pistons backcourt next year ... Jennings / Stuckey... I think Monroe and Drummond can wait for the ball inside. And don"t forget Josh Smith os the starting sf and Mo Cheeks is the head coach... I can't see how it could work.
I doubt Stuckey and Villianueva will be in a pistons uniform for the whole season(even the beginning of season). But the pistons still need a first option on offense. (I would give the Pacers a call about Granger)
who could want stuckey or villanueva (even in their last year)... you would have to give kcp drummond monroe or draft picks
idiotic teams looking to clear cap space for lebron or carmelo.. im betting the pistons dont trade them though, i think they save their money to extend monroe.
For everyone who is trashing the pistons on this deal and comparing it to a few years ago with Gordon and Villanueva there are two points I want to make. First, the Pistons got Jennings on a short term deal at market value. The Gordon singing was a slight over pay, but defensible at the time. Whereas, villanueva was just ridiculous from the moment he signed. Paying Jennings 8m/yr is the fair market value for a starting PG who is a lottery pick coming off their rookie deal.
Second, even if you are down on Jennings, he is still a massive upgrade over Knight. Knight could shoot spot up jumpers and defend his position well, but he had a weak handle and even worse, had terrible court vision. Will Bynum is by no means a great PG, but he played himself into a contract extension last year because he was able to find Drummond on the inside. Knight just couldn't make that pass, he wasn't great on the pick and roll either. Jennings can make that pass and is ok at doing the pick and roll. For that reason alone Jennings is an upgrade and this is a good deal for the pistons. If he works on his game and becomes more efficient, this will be a good deal for the pistons because he has talent. but right now , they paid fair market value for the player they got.
All that said, the pistons are not a lock for the playoff and I still don't see them beating Chicago, New York, Miami, Brooklyn, or Indiana in a series. Any one who watches the Pistons should know that Knight was likely a bust at PG and Dumars would prob get fired if they didn't make the playoffs this year. that's why this deal happened.