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- Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 5:34am #36657
Ahkasi ClayParticipantGasol has been on the block about a year, now Kobe brings it up again, after the failed trade for Paul, what is it that kobe thinks the lakers can get for him? does anybody remember how bad the Lakers were after Shaq, until they got Gasol?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 5:46am #639136
kbrittParticipantAfter Shaq, the Lakers were never "bad". They were in the playoffs each year, how could you call them bad before Gasol and after Shaq? Sure they never won a championship, but were always contenders with Kobe.
0- Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 5:52am #639138
Ahkasi ClayParticipantI gotta check the stats, ( to drunk to do it now) but pretty sure they had a losing record, or close to .500 during that time period!
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- Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 5:53am #639139
bobo33-15Participantkbritt, firstly the lakers didn’t make the playoffs each of the three years between the Shaq and Gasol eras, missing out on the playoffs in 2004-05 season. Also when they made the playoffs they were only 7th seeds and lost in the 1st round, so they were never contending.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 5:58am #639140
kbrittParticipantOk, from the time the lost Shaq (2004-05 season) they went 34-48, and missed the playoffs. That was a terrible season. 2005-06 they were 45-37, a decent season. 2006-07 they went 42-40, near .500 and a bad season by Laker standards. I honestly didn;t think they were that bad at one point with Kobe, so you’re right. My bad.
0- Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 6:03am #639142
Ahkasi ClayParticipantthat was down right brotherly of you to post that!
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- Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 6:00am #639143
ProudGrandpaParticipantIs it just me, or does this guy talk about getting drunk a lot?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 6:02am #639144
bobo33-15Participantmeh we all make mistakes. Yeah you would think with how dominant kobe was during those seasons that the lakers would be better but it really shows that your only as good as the people around you. But he really didn’t have the personnel around him to facilitate winning
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 6:02am #639141
A Lil EnglishParticipantKobe is not against Gasol being there at all – he is just sick of the rumours & wants closure on the situation and said it’s tough to go all out on the court if they feel they may be traded
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 6:10am #639145
Ahkasi ClayParticipantI am retired, (kinda) what do you want me to talk about? how old nuch my woman sags?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 6:15am #639146
cuseflynn10Participanthttp://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=79gpb3l
Lakers get Howard, Turkoglu, and Nelson. Dominant center, amnesty Hedo, PG in Nelson.
Magic get Gasol, Bynum, and Ebanks along with draft picks. Magic get a solid PF/C combo along with a developing SF and draft picks. They may not need to wait long to rebuild.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3gnd3gg
Williams straight up for Gasol. According to the trade machine both teams get better by this trade.
There aren’t many pass first PG’s or dominant Centers available for Pau. There’s no reason to give up Pau for anything other than Williams or Howard.
I personally like Williams straight up for Gasol. If the Lakers could pull it off, and then Howard uses his early termination option, the Lakers could land both Williams and Howard, and still have Kobe and Bynum. It is a stretch, but there is still a chance. And as long as there is a chance, you never know what can happen.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 6:22am #639147
Maniac MaciejParticipantCan they still get Jason Kidd for Andrew Bynum like Kobe once wanted?
Maybe Kobe can go work for MJ as the Bobcats’ GM when he retires?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 6:43am #639153
JunkYardDogParticipant@cuseflynn10 : you can not use your amnesti on a player you traded for.
If you trade for d12 and you get a package with hedo…. you got to keep hedo or trade him (almost impossible) but you can not amnestied him.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 8:10am #639174
PulseGlazerParticipantHere’s me about to get negged. It’ll never happen, I understand that, but if I were the Lakers, I’d trade Kobe before Pau.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 8:19am #639177
iguapops420ParticipantKobe clearly said he doesn’t want Pau traded. He then came out after yet another stinker performance by Gasoft and said that he wants LAL to give Pau some resolution so they can either get used to a new guy or things can settle down and they can get back to the task at hand of trying to win the ship.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 8:21am #639179
PulseGlazerParticipantKobe’s salary is absurdly huge going forward. If they don’t move Pau or Bynum they literally have no other way of improving.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 9:28am #639186
IndianaBasketballParticipant@PulseGlazer
Trade Kobe? Seriously… Absurd.
Even at this age, Kobe still draws a big ticket and is one of the best players in the world. He’ll retire a Laker.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 9:52am #639195
Da1potParticipantUmmmmmmm I’m pretty sure Kobe still leads the league in scoring so why would they trade him? I wouldn’t even trade Kobe for Dwight Howard
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 10:01am #639197
PulseGlazerParticipantKobe leads the league in scoring… and usage rate. That’s entirely unacceptable when you have two dominant post-bigs. And they’re the freaking Lakers! They don’t need Kobe to draw. Check his salary for the next 3 years, then the projected salary cap over the next few years. He’s making a financially unfeasible amount in the new CBA.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 10:04am #639198
HitsterParticipantKobe has the no trade clause in his contract and I don’t think he’d start saying he wants Gasol traded as that would be totally disrespectful to a player of Gasol’s standing. Also isn’t Dr Buss’s son a huge fan of Bynum so could well resist any attempts to try and move him and could consider Bynum the key building piece post Kobe.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:10am #639214
F_DA_POParticipantWhoever wouldn’t trade Kobe for Dwight is a lunatic. They could then easily trade Bynum for a really good guard. Obviously none of this would never happen…
Why is Kobe complaining about Pau Gasol’s effort? He’s averaged a 18 ppg and 14 rbpg his past 10 games while getting a double double in every game. If that’s him not trying that’s scary.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:31am #639222
Memphis MadnessParticipantIn my Basketball Report I mentioned how the Lakers are built better for the playoffs. They aren’t deep enough for the regular season but they have 3 good go to guys, a BIG THREE if you will. If they can get enough out of the small forward spot and hit 3’s then they look fairly good going into the playoffs. Out west this year it is going to come down to matchups and momentum. I believe that there are several teams out west that can get to the Finals, the Lakers being one of them.
In the playoffs you need a big time scorer (superstar) and legit big men. The Lakers have that. Their supporting cast isn’t great but they have a few guys with playoff experience (Fisher, Artest, Barnes) and a few guys with size (McRoberts and Murphy).
The Clippers are supposedly a lot better than the Clippers but outside of their superstar MVP candidate (Chris Paul vs. Kobe Bryant) and their all-star second-option power forward (Blake vs. Pau) they really don’t have a whole heck of a lot. I will take Bynum over DeAndre Jordan. The Clips have Caron Butler at small forward which is a bit better than Barnes/Artest and Mo Williams at backup point guard (vs. Steve Blake for the Lake Show), but I would argue that the Lakers are built more for the playoffs with a better BIG THREE and they have just as good of a shot at coming out of the West as the Clippers.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:31pm #639241
SupParticipantKobe has veto claus, he will not accept being traded. He would veto that
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 4:15pm #639322
llperezkobe never said anything abut them trading pau and this thread is bs. Also to all those saying trade kobe, lol.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/20/2012 - 4:22pm #639328
cuseflynn10ParticipantI never understood the amnesty clause that well, but thanks for clarifying.
I’m surprised though more times haven’t used it. I believe only six teams have used it, and I know some teams want to hold on to it, but there are plenty of players who should have gotten amniestied (Luke Walton in particular).
0 - Posted on: Tue, 02/21/2012 - 7:46am #639546
PulseGlazerParticipantWalton won’t be amnestied before Meta World Peace.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 02/21/2012 - 8:05am #639550
JunkYardDogParticipantThe lakers don’t need to amnesty any player : they won’t be under the cap if they use their amnesty on blake, artest (f*ck world peace….) or walton. They could use it to clear 1 roster spot if they need to.
But if you cut 1 player you don’t know what is the consequence on the team alchemy (walton has been on this team …. for a lonnnnnnng time) and on the other players (bryant, fisher bynum, gasol…. remember the odom trade consequences). You have to be careful with that tool….
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/12/2013 - 2:43pm #738688
Ahkasi ClayParticipantha ha!
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