Kosta Papanikolaou Same Age As Rubio, Vesely, Motiejunas And Plays At A Higher Level
Once again this site is ridiculous that it does not have Kostas Papanikolaou in its mock drafts. Papanikolaou is the same age as Donatas Motiejunas, Ricky Rubio, and Jan Vesely and he currently plays better than all of them in Europe.
He plays in a much bigger club and a much higher league than Motiejunas plays in. He puts up better stats so far than Rubio and he puts up better stats so far than Vesely (who is now also injured) and who is also playing in a much smaller club.
There is obviously something racist against Greek players in the way these American mock drafts work.
Yeah, it MUST be racism.
Are you kidding me? The first thing that comes to mind as a possible reason for his absence on this site is RACISM?
Yes, clearly it IS racism. Jamine Peterson is in this site's mock draft and he struggles to barely even make the rotation of Kolossos, which is one of the smallest clubs in Greece while Papanikolaou cannot even make the mocks? Such blatant things as this are clearly racism. There is simply no other logical explanation, no matter how much you or any other person here says otherwise.
Any excuse you come up with is just that, an excuse to mask an obvious and blatant racism of this site here.
Hey European Baller, while we're on the subject, how did it go in the FIBA World Championships?
You sound like a crazy person, European Baller. You really do.
Rubio is considered by most people in Europe to be the worst rotation point guard in the Euroleague and yet he was #1 or #2 in all these mocks. Papanikolaou is the same age and plays better than him and cannot even make a mick draft list? It IS racism.
Yes European Baller, ignore my question about the FIBA World Championships.
Did you watch how Team USA smashed every opponent?
Haha. Yeah, it HAS TO BE racism. It's not simply a lack of knowledge about good European, Greek in this case, players. Your reasoning is wayyyy more logical than that.
How's Big Sofo doing for the Clippers?
Oh yeah i forgot about that Indiana...Thats 3 year guaranteed contract must be getting him alot of McRibs out there in Cali.
Nah its not racism. Some international are just great for international but just that. Their game doesn't really translate well to the NBA. As for Kostas, Im not quite sure if this is the situation because I have never seen him play and a couple of videos is not going to suffice. So his game not translating so well to the NBA might be a reason, but I'm not quite sure. I looked at draftexpress.com too and noticed that Kostas was also not in their mock draft either. That site usually knows the international players a lot more than this site does. And they certainly are not being racist. So racism is not the issue, but it could be the fact that his game does not translate well to the NBA. Again, I have never seen him play before so I wouldn't know for sure and a couple of videos is not going to suffice. Not every international player can play in the NBA. Some international players are great but in the NBA they are just average or are not that good according to the NBA.
The NBA is very different compared to International ball. Some players just don't adjust too well. This could be the case for Kosta. (Another reason could be because his last name is too hard to pronounce, but I highly doubt it)
Out of curiosity which NBA player would you compare Kostas to?
I hate Greeks, there I said what we have all been thinking.
I don't even know why young Euros are listed so high on any mock drafts. As Bargnani and many others have shown it is quite an adjustment coming over to the NBA. A totally different kind of basketball, that usually takes years to adjust, not to mention cultural adjustments, for anyone that is a lot to overcome, and probably why a lot of North Americans who head over to Europe don't tear it up there either.
From the videos I've seen and what I've seen I'd compare him to Andres Nocioni, a SF that can play PF if he has to, a decent slasher and a good 3 point shooter. He doesn't seem as gritty and tough as Andres but they look to be pretty similar.
European Baller's evil is dominating nbadraft.net. We need a hero to save us. Where is American Baller?
Back to your comment about Greedy Peterson barley in the rotation... His game isnt really fit for europe. Hes an energy player with not much of a mid range game. He fits the nba much better and i think he will be a very good role player for which ever team draffts him. We can look at Brandon Jennings as an example of this not playing much in italy and having an almost ROY season last year.
Maybe the problem is Europe is racist agaisnt black American players....ever think of that???
obviously this european baller hasnt seen rubio play... has all to do with the slower pace they play in europe compared to a much faster pace in the nba.. european players are boys among men compared to nba players... and rubio on a fast break with nba team is a WHOLE different story than with his club in spain..
Rubio is an absolute scrub in Euroleague. He is the second worst player on his team.
Yea I heard Aran Imus called him a Nappy headed greek.............racist b a s t a r d
european power, (if ur even european which i doubt) and the reason Kostas Papanikolaou isnt mentioned alot is because he is really not athletic and is not as flashy as vesley, rubio, or motiejunas these player from time to time show flashes of brilliance while kostas never does, all he does is shoot wide open jumpers...
He still has two more years until he is automatically draft eligible, and unless he comes on the scene to scouts (I am sure some must know him), than he will more than likely be in 2012 or 2013. You never took the wrath for your bold guarantee of the US losing the World Championships. You also realize it has kind of become common place for Greek players not to play in the NBA, as there are 0 Greek players in the NBA right now. I do not think this is due to any anti-Greek sentiment, it is just that Greek players have chosen to play overseas rather than try their luck in the NBA. I think there are probably a number of Greek players who should more than likely be in the NBA, they have the talent, but at the same time they might not play the roles they play on their international squads. Let's call it "Rudy Fernandez Syndrome." So, instead of just claiming racism and such, why do you not try to maybe say, "I have a new prospect you guys should really see." Otherwise, you look like a total piece of $hit, which I am guessing you do not care about, but maybe should if you are going to complain about this site and expect them to take it seriously. You obviously have a strong knowledge about European basketball, but there is really no need to be such an @hole about it. You realize that teams that win Euroleague usually have really good American players right? Name Pete Mickeal ring a bell? But thank you for telling us about this player, I had not heard about him and he looks like a talented player.
He is rated 4th, behind all the players you initially listed. I also looked up statistics, and Motiejunas and Vesely are not at all slouches, regardless of the league they play in, and Vesely played really well in the Euroleague Final. Plus, they have 3 inches at least on your boy. I am guessing he will eventually be on the mock man, I just do not think people are familiar with him. To cry racism is just being ridiculous. You realize one of the biggest voices in sports is a Greek dude (Bob Costas). Are you sure you shouldn't change your name to Greek baller? That is all you seem to talk about, yet you still try to claim an entire continent. Weak dude. By the way, the Greeks came in 11th during the World Championships you predicted they might win. Racism of course.
Once again, we NEED American Baller. Where is our hero?
Euro's should have their own draft...It should be the 3rd round in the NBA draft...Day "E"
Greedy Peterson averaged 19 and 10 in the big east...i really dont care how he does in your little greek league...the guy is solid
I just watched some highlights of the guy and he seems to have a pretty good all-around game for Euroleague, but he definitely does not have the upside of someone like Vesely or Motiejunas. Players get drafted because of a combination of what they are and what they can become. Vesely, Rubio and Motiejunas are better right now and have more potential.
JJ Redick was the most productive college player his senior year in one of the best conferences in basketball, but he was picked below a number of other players. Did anyone think it was racist to do so? NO. Production in Euroleague and the NCAA does not equal production in the NBA. As much ground as Euroleague has made up, there is still a big gap in athleticism between it and the NBA.
The Greek Leagus is way higher level than the Big East. Comments like that prove racism is involved in these opinions.
Also, the Euroleague is every bit as good as the NBA is. Anyone saying otherwise is either delusuional, ignorant, or racist.
The Lakers could not even beat Barca playing at a neutral site. And Barca had injuries just like the Lakers did. And it was probably the worst game Barca played in the last 2 years and they still won.
Peterson sucks in Greek League, playing on one of the worst teams in the league.
Euroleague players are bigger and more skilled than Big East or ACC players, but they aren't nearly as athletic and they're older on average. A far larger percentage of Euroleague players have already reached their full potential compared to NCAA players. Obviously Euroleague teams would beat most NCAA teams, but more individual talent comes out of college. And why are you mentioning an exhibition game as proof that Euroleague is as good? How about the world championships where the US rolled straight through?
And Rubio was also named the 2010 Euroleague rising star. So is all of Europe against Greece as well?
What is this complete nonsense? Pureshooter has nearly every single fact wrong. The lack of general basketball knowledge here is disturbing.
"Most Euroleague teams would beat most NCAA teams"................this is unbelievably absurd. The NCAA champion would lose by 30 points to any Euroleague team.
And this BS about how college players are more athletic than Euroleague players is absolutely freaking ridiculous. NCAA level athletically is WAY below Euroleague level athletically. Clearly, once again, these are racist comments in this forum because no one could be THAT delusional if they really are a basketball fan.
NCAA is more athletic than Euroleague....LMFAO
Rubio is a terrible Euroleague player, one of the worst in the league easily. It really shows what incredible lack of European basketball you have when you start bragging about how Rubio is this great Euroleague player, when he is clearly by far among the very worst.
Hell, his own coach even said he is just a project of the club and basically contributes nothing to his team. He can't defend, he can't shoot, he can't score. Yeah, he's a real "star". Please spare me this ridiculous NBA onyl fan garbage, and BS. if you want to talk about basketball based on facts and not the delusions of NBA hype, marketing, and racism of NBA fans then go ahead.
Otherwise please stop reading from the NBA only fan handbook of fantasy and fiction.
Dude, your reading comprehension, or lack thereof is incredible:
"Most Euroleague teams would beat most NCAA teams"................this is unbelievably absurd. The NCAA champion would lose by 30 points to any Euroleague team.
I just said that Euroleague teams were better.
And please name a single Euroleague player who is even in the same building in terms of the athleticism as Dwight Howard or Josh Smith, who went straight to the league out of high school, nevermind college. The athleticism of the top Division I NCAA definitely exceeds that of Euroleague. Name a single European player who is the best athlete on an NBA team in terms of speed and leaping ability. I'll wait. I can certainly name quite a few ex-college players who couldn't cut it in the NBA but are the best athletes on a Euroleague team (Pete Mickeal for one).
Oh, and I didn't call Rubio a "star". Those were the Euroleague voters (big NBA fans, right?). I said he had more upside than the guy you're pimping. That's it.
Oh, European Baller, hahaha
I cannot wait until a new crop of American players who cannot cut it in the NBA go to Europe and show everyone who is boss!! You are clearly a racist for not mentioning any American players who will be entering European leagues this summer!!!
All American players are better and it's clear YOU are the racist for not knowing it!!!
P.S. Oliver Miller would destroy Big Sofo in a McRib eating contest!!!
Our silent guardian, our watchful protector... American Baller
Why are you such a douche? You realize you are educating no one on European Basketball and just turning people away from you and your opinion. I am sure you do know a lot about European Basketball, but you always seem to just go crazy on everyone instead of maybe trying to educate people on basketball in the Euro Nations. You obviously are just being a jack@ss, Rubio may not be the best player in Euro League, but as the starting PG on a team most of us american/canadian basketball fans WON the last Euro League championship, he can not be as bad as you are making him out to be. What is your beef with the NBA? Why do you just take the attitude of being a complete elitist? Why is it you only respond to posts that you disagree with rather than actually maybe trying to explain your points and educate people? Why have you never at least admitted you were wrong about your American losing the World Championship guarantee? If you do not respond to these questions, I will just assume, like I maybe already should have, that you are an @sshole. Sincerely, most everyone on this board.
Rubio is a terrible Euroleague player. If you argue that you only prove you have never in your entire life seen a Euroleague game.
Yes, I am angry. I am angry at the ridiculous bull that is posted in these forums about the game in Europe. Like in this thread you have a guy claiming the NCAA is more athletic than the Euroleague. He is either a racist or an ignorant and arrogant xenophobe. Either way it is very insulting to then have people like him and others act like I am out of line and to pile on with there further insults.
Saying the NCAA is more athletic than the Euroleague is incredibly absurd and only proves that there is something seriously wrong with how Americans view European basketball. It reaks of racism and that's a fact.
If it's so incredibly absurd to state that the top Division I NCAA teams are more athletic than the Euroleague teams, then answer this simple question:
Where do the most athletic players in the NBA come from? Euroleague or college/high school? Have you ever compared the Euroleague dunk contest to the NCAA dunk contest?
Listen, I'm not talking about Division II or Division III, but top flight DI schools are most definitely more athletic than the average Euroleague team.
You don't seem to be able to grasp that we are stating opinions and that neither can be definitively proven right or wrong, so there is no need to personally attack another poster. The fact is that I've tried to support my opinion with examples of more athletic players coming from high school and college, but you have done NOTHING. You just launch off on personal attacks assuming that what you've said is correct, and then you refer to me as arrogant? Pretty sad. You attempt to bully people into agreeing with you by throwing around the term "racism", but it's clear you're the biggest racist here by a mile.
Well, I have seen Euroleague games, and while I did not think Rubio was at all the best player in Europe, these are PROSPECTS. This is a draft site. For the NBA draft. I am incredibly sorry that Euroleague and the European/International teams that play in it does not have a draft, but I think it manages. As far as being xenophobic, it seems to definitely be a two way street buddy. Do you not like Pete Mickeal for having played so well for Regal FC Barcelona, or Terrence Morris for also taking a starting spot? I do agree that saying the NCAA is more athletic than Euroleague is more than likely not the case, as Euroleague is full of grown men that more than likely starred on the NCAA level or probably could have, so that makes little sense. But the way you speak to everyone and just pull the race card, it is pretty weak. Unless you actually have constructive criticism for posters on this board, or maybe want to break down who some of the better Euroleague players are, and some players from Euroleague who you believe could play in the NBA and contribute (I think there are many, I for one was very disappointed that Juan Carlos Navarro and Jorge Garbajossa left the NBA, and still wonder what might have been with Fran Vazquez in Orlando), than why bother posting? Honestly, if you are just going to keep going on rants about us being ignorant and racist without giving any educational content and belittling a prospect that starts for not only a prominent Euroleague team, but also for a prominent national team, than what is the point? I am trying to get you to maybe stop being so negative, maybe put your energy into showing what you feel Euroleague has to offer that many of us are missing out on. Otherwise, your posts will just add to all the things you have claimed that we are.
It's very clear that European Baller just doesn't understand the rankings of prospects and what characteristics make a draft pick more desierable than others. For some reason he tends to take an aggressive stance with his misunderstanding. Someone who only watches college basketball and doesn't understand the prospect rankings would be baffled why Scottie Reynolds and Sherron Collins went undrafted while Ed Davis and Larry Sanders were first round draft picks.
@European Baller, I've never even heard of an American who is racist against Greeks. I didn't even know there was an anti Greek demographic in the US, so your claims of racism among basketball forum posters is one of the most insane that I've ever heard. I'm positive your knowledge of European basketball surpases ours being that it is difficult to find European basketball games on American TV unless you order special channels and whatnot, but based on your comments on this site over the past year I don't think you know very much about NBA basketball or what characteristics are used to determine a 1st round draft pick. We aren't posting on how much we know about European basketball when we actually don't so I don't think you should be acting like we are a bunch of idiots when it's clear you know very little ( or have just not backed up any arguement with anything but name calling).
Or realize our society was built on the foundation of Greek culture...They invented Democracy, Liberty, Freedom, Western Civilation ,Kick ass action movies,ect ect ect...
European Baller really exaggerates that whole thing. I'm from Europe, too and you seem to be really trying to implement some hate against Europe and European Basketball... You're really dragging us through the mud. BUT I have to disagree with the comment of BasterdInABasket. As far as I'm concerned there is no racism against african-american players in Europe. Of course there are some idiots but you can't tell a place where there are none.
I'm in no way calling somebody out. I just want to set some things straight.
Just kind of relevant to what Scarecrow was saying. The line is right at the end. Funny movie, thought this line was classic. I have nothing against Greeks and feel they have been crucial to our societies development, and also have not heard of Anti-Greek sentiment, epsecially from people on here.
I could never hate a people that gave the world tiramasu, souvlaki and gyros. Never.