How about Lebron? 40 points 16 assits and 8 rebounds. In the 2nd OT he either assited or made a shot on each one of the heats baskets. 11 points and 3 assits in the 2nd overtime.... my god
He is unreal, he seriously could be the best when it's all said and done, he makes it look way to easy for the NBA to be the highest level of basketball.
"assist in the final moments of the game? not clutch..." -says haters
always been such a clutch player but especially this year...it seems like hes really found a switch where he can manually turn on and off.
That such crap, I can't stand when people say that. With five minutes left in a game and with a spread of 5 points lebron leads the league in assits. He's also 6th in field goals made and rebounds for good measure
Also like to point out Wade had 39, 8 and 7. Just ridiculous
Just by looking at the box score it looked like a real offensive battle. Tyreke had 26, Cousins 24, and Thornton 36 off the bench.
2 things, lebron james is incredible, the way he gets better every season is f***ing scary. He's posting more, driving more, but his shot is falling now, 41% from 3 are u kidding? If he's not the MVP this year, I dont understand basketball..
Second point, Dwade. Dude's been balling recently. He got called out alot 2 months ago, yet he was still adveraging 20, 5 ,5. The past month he looked like the Dwade we all know, the Dwade who's going to show up in the finals, and win his third championship.
Not to rain on any Heat/Wade parades (Great performances by both Lebron and Wade tonight, and I will be the first to admit Wade has been FANTASTIC lately).
But once agian, the fallacy of the "clutch" D Wade returns. Chokes 2 FTs with a chance to seal the game, really makes no effort to get a good look at the end and settles for a long fade away two (Statistically, the worst shot you can take on the floor) and misses that as well. I'm not hating on the Heat, or even Wade taking that shot. I just hope at some point people start recognizing how unclutch Wade has been the past few years. Lebron has the same right to close as he does.
Imagine what lebron could be if he could just focus on scoring and assisting and not have to worry about rebounding. he could be getting 30 and 10 and those would be incredible and I just looked it up oscar robinson did that 5 times in his career(thank you basketball reference). Sorry but that is unbelievable. I really wish I would have been able to see him play.
Oscar was great, but rebounds were much easier to get back then. And they also shot more so scoring 30 points per game was also not that hard to do. If you've seen Jason Kidd in his prime then you have seen just as good a rebounding PG as Oscar Robinson. Which is no slight on Oscar because we are comparing HOF to HOF. But just because Oscars per game numbers are crazy doesn't mean he was like a top five player of all time or anything like that.
Lebron is unreal i also think he will retire the best player of all time. Who can stop him? Hes too big for guards and hes too quick and skilled for big men. Hes an amazing team player superb defender and HE KEEPS GETTING BETTER.
Once again, just see how he ages before we start crowning him the best of all time. The true test of Lebron's "skill" will be how effective he is without an athletic advantage over every player in the NBA. Also, the hand-checking - or lack thereof -allows Lebron to do pretty much whatever he wants with that athleticism.
I'm not trying to be a hater, but just put things in perspective and be patient.
Can we also remember this particular game was against the Kings? One of the most dysfunctional teams in the NBA with a very poor understanding of team D, and no depth at the SF position. Despite this, it took the Heat two OTs to finish them off. While the numbers are great, you have to remember he played a buttload of minutes to get them.
Dysfunctional or not both teams were balling tonight, just give credit where credit is due. As for where he will end up only time will tell, I'm with you on that. Do you think his game will age well? I do, his basketball IQ is incredible, his shot has improved (one of the best midrange shooters statistically speaking, still has to show better bodylanguage at the line) also he uses his body better in the post.
Does it matter? This is the NBA, everyone can play. He also mutiliated OKC
Yeah, the Kings are pretty bad. A better test of skill would be seeing how well Kobe, playing for a lottery team does against LeBron, playing for a reigning champion/contender in a meaningless exhibition all star game.
Im just glad I will be able to tell my kids and grandchildren about Lebron and i got to see first hand what he did.
Like I didn't get a chance to see Magic,Kareem,Wilt, etc....
I caught the tail end of MJ(98)
Kobe is good, but Lebron is better.....and I got to witness it.
This was the Kings game to lose. Thats the best game they have played all season and thornton couldn't miss. And lets not act like LBJ doesn't do this against good competition too. Lolol you'd be foolish to assume this considering they dominated OKC last time I seen. And he dropped another good game against the bulls who are still a good defensive team despite Roses absence in the offense.
Lets not downplay what this man did.
For the record I wasn't assuming or trying to downplay anything, just trying to bring some much-needed perspective; this PARTICULAR game isn't as impressive when you consider the context. I'm well aware of what he did to the Thunder and numerous other teams this season, he's having a hell of a year.
As far as him ageing well, I'm not convinced. Assuming by ageing we mean "when his athleticism drops off" not an arbitrary number, then I can see him working the low post more and bullying people, still having great assist games, but I think his scoring will drop off a fair bit; MJ had it right when he said he finishes right and shoots left - it's just that at the moment he's too fast/strong for most people to do anything about it. Lebron really doesn't have a whole lot of "moves" the way Kobe and Wade do, he just uses effective drives and an improved jumper with great elevation to get his shot off. His footwork isn't anywhere near the level of MJ or Kobe, he likes to take a dribble before doing anything in isolations, and I'm not sure if he'll be able to pick it later in his career. Lebron has never really had to work to create separation, he usually just bulls his way through or blows by them and finishes through contact or gets the foul, whether he'll be able to make the adjustment where he has to work to shake his defender will be the big tell.
That said, he has a good work ethic, but he doesn't have the lack of a conscience a guy like Kobe has where he can play his way through a shooting slump and use the season to work on his game, so it just depends on how confident Lebron can be trying new things once he inevitably loses a step.
Honestly, it might help Lebron's legacy more to retire close to his peak like MJ did (the first time) and leave the question unanswered than be potentially exposed as someone who needed his athleticism.
Fair points, But his shot he doesn't elevate a lot. Like Rashard Lewis mentioned he can shoot halfcourt shots with his normal form because his upperbody is so strong.
And comparing lebron to kobe in the post is completely absurd. Kobe is dangerous in the post because his footwork and agility. Lebron is dangerous in the post because his strength and courtvision (willingness to pass). Both of which carry over with age. And no a 36 year old man is not going to be weaker at that age then a 28 year old. Anywho I think we might have to agree to diagree.
The thing is Omphalos, you're acting as if people crowned him the best of all time after last night when really there were 2 guys said he could be when he's finished. I see your point about the athleticism thing but he's only 28, and has consistently got better and better even when he comes to skills.
I mean.. you can't work your way through shooting slumps if you're not having any.
It really sounds like you're writing a man off who consistently exceeds expectations.