I've read several rumors in the last few days, including on NBA.com that the Raptors are looking to move Kyle Lowry. Apparently he is not making too many friends (or fans) where he is. I was one of the many who thought this was a good aquisition originally, but right from the start it just did not work.
So 1) Does this increase the likelyhood Jose finishes his career in TO - I hope so.
2) Assuming Bargnani is on the block as well, where do they look to deal.
LA is looking like a good fit. TO is looking hard at Gasol, and Bargs would be a great fit alongside Howard and in D'Antoni's system. For Lowry it would be yet another demotion to fewer minutes behind Nash, but frankly that is his problem, not anyone elses.
Idealy Toronto would be looking for a draft pick along with Gasol, but I am interested to see what fruit this is likely to bare. I would also like to see Calderon and Gasol on the same team. Might be insentive for both to stick around for a while. Calderon is working very well for them now, giving them possibly a few more seasons to find that elusive point guard of the future.
Any other ideas out there of where they should deal and for whom?
i wouldn't do it. i think that by the time the raptors level of play rises up to a consistant playoff team gasol will be out of gas. he's been declining through the years and i'd rather have a younger player than him.
I see what you are saying, but the flip side of that would be Gasol would be a great mentor for JV who will be a big time player in a few years. Also Gasol is a big contract that expires in a year and a half. That might be good flexability when the money is needed to resign some of the younger guys, or to sign a big free agent when this team really is playoff ready.
I was originally against this type of deal as well, but somehow I think it may move Toronto in the right direction. If they are going to move either Lowry or Bargnani, they really have to find the right team for them to get a good deal. In the case of Bargnani, it really is only a handfull of teams that would work.
What a turn of events eh? At the start of the year, he was looking like Torontos savior and a certainty that Calderon was gone. Like Breezy said, look at me now...
yeah but no one can really say anything cause injuries haven't helped lowry's impression in toronto. i'd personally rather have lowry over calderon.
Issue is not with Lowry's play, but his attitude. He is definately the one player who has not embraced the team first concept. Everyone else has taken fewer minutes or changed their role with no outward problems.
In the locker room this is a very tight group. If Lowry is rubbing the other players the wrong way as well as the coach, it may tell us a little why he did not get along with Kevin McHale back in Houston. He was worth the gamble, but right now they are probably hoping they can still convince Jose to stay after trying to replace him for the second time in four seasons. If this is the case they have to get Lowry out of there ASAP.
OKC wouldn't do this for financial reasons but here it is anyways:
Kevin Martin, Maynor and the Raptors draft pick for Bargnani, Lowry and Alan Anderson.
OKC has, imo, the best starting five in the league and this trade doesn't mess with that ( unlike a lot of other trades i've seen proposed on here for the Thunder... you don't change chemistry that works). Their bench now has the stretch PF that they could use as another outside weapon; their almost non existent pg play when Westbrook is not on the floor is upgraded with the best backup pg in the league; and if anyone's seen the Raps play this year, then you know Anderson gives 100%, can shoot a little and plays tough on the ball defense. The Thunder are now a deep, versatile team.
The Raptors save money and get to act like the Lowry trade never happened.
Toronto definately wants into this years draft, but they could get a pick from elsewhere as well. If it was a better draft year maybe this would be on their radar, but otherwise, they either need a much better pick or a lower pick would be as good as their own (ie OKS's).
They gave up a pick to get Lowry. If they trade him, I'd imagine that not getting a pick in return would be a deal breaker
To OKC: Lowry, Aaron Gray
To Toronto: Perkins, Perry Jones, Future First round pick (s)
OKC gets a tough defensive guard who can knock down shots and a Banger in Gray.
Toronto gets a guy with a mean streak to bring along Ed Davis and Jonas Valanciunas and a nice versatile forward prospect for the future.
Oh man, that's unfortunate. The Raptors traded a likely lottery pick this season for Kyle Lowry and to just deal him again could be hard to get the same value back as the pick they're likely to lose this year.
His play far exceeds his 5-6 (?) million per year contract. I cant believe they would even think about this. Why am I still a Raptors fan?
Butted heads with two teams in two seasons. This does not look to be about the Raptors here.
if the raps move lowry, they are def looking at the 2014 draft and i honestly wouldnt mind as a fan because we are seriously going no where right now...
with maybe Boston throwing in a 2nd rounder?
If I'm the Raptors, or any GM for that matter, I would be trading for draft picks in the 2014 draft. We all know how loaded the incoming freshmen class is, and imagine if some current freshmen stay for one more year, and then declare in 2014, just like Zeller, Len, MCW, McAdoo, Burke, Porter, Mitchell, and Kabongo are doing this year.
If 5-8 freshmen this year with the same caliber as the players listed above returned for their sophomore seasons, and you combine that with Wiggins, Jabari, Vonleh, the Harrison twins, Randle, Gordon, Dakari, and tons of other good current HS seniors, that would make for a loaded 2014 draft. Even if you end up with pick in the #20-25 range in the 2014 draft, that could be equivalent to a late lottery selection in 2013.
So if I'm Toronto, I would be willing to deal Lowry for next to nothing, if it meant a 2014 lottery pick.
Here are some trades that I think Toronto should look at (keep in mind Toronto would likely get either a 2013 or 2014 1st rounder):
Dallas will have a completely new identity next season. They do this to build around Lowry and Dirk. Toronto does it because they get three solid young players and a draft pick (could swap Beaubois out for Collison.)
It's no secret that Danny Granger is getting worn down, and isn't part of Indiana's long term plans. Indiana could build around Lowry, George, and Hibbert for the future.
I think Utah would be a good match with Toronto in a trade. They can trade for Jefferson's expiring deal and maybe add a draft pick along with it. Plus Utah gets a PG to pair with their already stacked frontcourt. Maybe Utah would dangle their 2013 picks since they hold two of them.
This trade I'm skeptical about. Toronto does get $9 million in expiring deals as well as Sessions for a year and a half. I do think this trade would significantly improve Charlotte, since I see Kemba as a great fit in the 6th man role, and Charlotte really needs help in the frontcourt. Charlotte wouldn't be given up a pick, at least not an unprotected pick in this deal.
Utah need a young long term PG. They have Al Jeff, Kanter, Millsap and Favors - 1 of them will prob be gone before trade deadline....