Why is everybody sleeping on the Mav for this upcoming year? They dont get any love and people are saying the Thunder are the number 2 team in the west are you guys crazy? The Mavs may be the second best team in the league next year and have a legit shot at beating anybody in a series because they can match up with anybody and they are 2 deep at every position. Look at their team and tell me what are they missing
PG- Kidd/ Beaubois/ Barea
SG- Beaubois/ Terry/ D. Jones
SF- Butler/ Marion
PF- Dirk/ Marion/ Ajinca
C- Haywood/ Chandler
With all this talent they can match up with anybody and they have some good defenders on the wings as well as 2 good shot blockers and rebounders the only thing that can hurt this team is health.
They also have Ian Mahinmi and DeShawn Stevenson
PG- Kidd/ Barea
SG- Beaubois/ Terry/ Jones/ Stevenson
SF- Butler/ Marion
PF- Nowitzki/ Mahinmi
C- Haywood/ Chandler/ Ajinca
that is pretty much the same lineup they had and they didn't make it that far in the playoffs, I will give you they are deep, and Beaubois is good and they added Chandler but I don't see those 2 getting them over the hump.
I thought the Mavs were getting Al Harrington as well?
I like the moves they have made so far. Adding Haslem or Harrington would have been nice. They are still trying to sign Anthony Tolliver. Of course, that is just adding more depth and he isn't really going to contribute like he did with the Warriors.
They have the great depth, but Dirk needed a big time side kick. With an offseason under their belt with Butler and Haywood, maybe the chemistry will be better, but it still just seems like a group of players past their prime (minus the young fellas).
A 50 win season, no doubt. Maybe a first round upset win this year for them.
harrington went to denver and as long as dirk is they best player they will never win.
Al Harrington signed with the Nuggets.
They werent playing beaubois last year he will be the main diff in the team as well as them getting rid of dampier who couldnt score at all they have haywood that can give them everything they need to get past were they have been i say they will at least play in the conf finals
I'm not counting them as a Championship contender because who did they get this offseason that could be a solid #2 player? Butler and Terry are good scorers but not good enough to be #2 options.
Also, Roddy B- Let's wait on him. He's another good scorer but what does it say that he didn't get PT against a injured Tony Parker in the playoffs? He's not ready yet. I'm waiting to see some stride this season.
I think the good thing about the Mavs is, that they finally got something like a core and didn't move to many players. They just need another PF and they'll be fine.
Haywood, Butler, Kidd, Roddy B, Dirk, Marion, Terry already played together for half a year now and will play together for another season.
Roddy B/ Kidd/ JJ
I think they will easily get another 50+ season and they have a good chance against the Lakers, although they're not the favorites. The team needs to play more aggressive, less jumpers more driving.
Because they have a history of being choke artist that's why. They do have a nice team, but building around a guy that's basically a 7 foot guard won't work. This is the same guy who once went 2-23 in an elimination game in the first round, plus he's soft.
Jason Kidd is the starter. Stop that talk dude.
The reason they get slept on is the fact that they were the 2 seed last season and booted in the 1st round, Chandler doesn't make that big of a difference. They will still be a solid team, but until they overcome underachieving in the post-season, they will be 'slept on'.
roddy B over JKIDD? thats why ur posting forum posts and not coaching
Who's the number two player? Like who's on that team is a legit number two option?
In my eyes, Dirk is a #1 in the NBA. I think you can build a title team around him.
Jason Terry, Caron Butler are number #3 options. That's the issue. I think Dallas was the team who could have snuck up and got Joe Johnson but didn't.
Tyson Chandler and Jason Kidd could be perfect for each other. That could lead to 3-6 solid P&R/ Alley's a game.
cant be done w/ dirk as the feautred guy....
why cant it be done with dirk as the feature guy? whos a beter forward than dirk?
I think so.
People don't know this but he's one of like 4-5 players to average 20-10 in the playoffs. He's clutch and he just needs a good wingman next to him. To be honest, I think the perfect player next to him would be someone like Danny Granger.
They do need a second option. Caron Butler is the only guy to me that's starting that could supply that scoring punch, but I don't know if its enough shots for him to do all that well.
Even with all the depth they have, they need another all-star player which currently isn't out there right now unless they make some trades. I could see them getting to the western conference finals, but a lot of chips (injuries, seeding, etc..) have to fall in their favor. Too bad they couldn't have gotten Joe Johnson. He could have been enough to make a definitive push. There are too many teams you can slip up on in the Western conference. It's not like the Eastern Conference where there are only 3 teams to deal with, but every seeded team in the West is a team to be dealt with..
Why is everyone sleeping on the Mavs? I'll tell you why....
Can they even make it out of the first round??? I don't know of any other team in the West who consistently chokes like the Mavs.
The Mavs are always this good and can't seem to put it together. I agree with an earlier poster, Dirk cannot be your main guy. He would be a great #2 player on a championship team.
As for the Thunder, I definitely think they will do better in the playoffs than Dallas. Why is your name RusselWestbrook if you find it so crazy people think the Thunder are better?
It wasn't my idea to start Roddy B over J.Kidd.
It was Jason Kidd's proposal. He said that he has problems guarding quicker guards and thinks that Roddy B has all the tools to do so. He also wanted him to get confidence and some play time to develop, because the Mavs want him to be the PG of their future. So stop hating on me for something Kidd proposed.
We all know that RB is still extremly raw and showed only some flashes and lacks consistency, but that's what J.Kidd said, and think it makes sense.
Also just because you start over someone doesn't mean your better or play more minutes. It just means that your playing with a certain group of players at the beginning of the game, that's all.
In the end Charisle will decide anyways and I think that playing Roddy B with your starters will weaken your offense even if it might improve your D.
I think a slashing PG or slashing Combo SG who can handle the ball (a 20-5-5) guy would complement Dirk. The Mavs team is full of jump shooters. The team needs aggressive, fearless guys, who keep putting pressure on the defense and move. I thought Butler would fit, but what he did most were step back J's.
The Mavs would be a Terrible matchup for OKC
They realistically are a matchup nightmare for a lot of teams. They have depth and are athletic up front. Which is why I'm surprised that the slow footed Spurs had such an easy time with them. It all has to click mentally for the Mavs to ever have a shot.
I think OKC are a kinda though matchup for the Mavs.
The only real weakness they have is a rookie center and only solid and slightly undersized PF's defending Dirk. But I have to say that I personally prefer small and quick guys guarding Dirk, rather than long and slow guys. So actually it's not really a weakness, but I don't really know how good Ibaka and Green could guard him. And the Mavs don't have a 5 who's offensivly strong enough to punish Aldrich and we don't know how Aldrich will develop anyway.
The good thing I think is that Shawn Marion was the best defender, guarding superstar players. I think he kept Durant close under 40%.
And I think CB4 should be able to post Sefolosha and Harden, so this could be a missmatch as well.
cuban could just be blowing smoke but see this..
talks about rodddy having a chance to start..
LeBron, Melo and Durant. A few others are arguable.
i see ur lineups and i certainly hop roddy b isnt starting 2 guard spot becuz he is gonna get killed by every 2 gaurd in the league
Charisle actually played alot with a 3 PG line up.
1 - Roddy / JJ
2 - JJ Barea / Terry
3 - Kidd
4 - Dirk
It worked okay. They got alot of points in transition, don't really remember how it worked defensivly though.
Dirks clutch in playoffs?? his team lost to an 8 seed as the top seed. remember the warriors? where was he that series?
Dirk average 26points shooting 540/570/950, grabbing 8 rebounds and dishing out 3 assists. He sucked in a few series the years before. Everyone knows that, but sadly alot of people still blaim it on him, without even watching the games.
He could've even got more assists. He really tried to get the other guys involved but CB4, Terry and sadly even J.Kidd failed to knock them down.
Jason Kidd is declining, and Roddy is quicker, with a lot of upside. Kidd has always been a mediocre defender, and now his age is catching up o him, he will definitely be taken advantage of by faster guards. His jumpshot has always been a downside. Maybe 1-2 more decent years in him, he has always been able to pass, but the rest of his game is slowing down...maybe it is time to change it up in Dallas, couldn't hurt to try, since what they've been doing isn't working...
Dirks clutch in playoffs?? his team lost to an 8 seed as the top seed. remember the warriors?
Zeke go look at the numbers in that series and you will realize that the team around him failed. Not Dirk
not to mention Dirk wasn't 100% focuses at this series b/c his father was in the hospital during this Series
as for the thread it self I am actually surprised b/c I found threads like that at most NBA forums I enter
And as a mavs Fan I will tell you that: Mavs fans was disappointed with the move,we need better player in the offensive end who can help Dirk in the playoffs ,we were offered Al for Dampier but we wanted to get rid of Carrol and Najera so bad for some reason
TC is a good C specially as a Back up ,but he is injury prone with little offensive game ,his game isn't much different than Haywood
with Haslem ,Harrington deciding to play for Miami/Knicks we are run out of option at PF and there is probably a little amount of FA who can help this team with the MLE
we have no true Sg except D jones (we call him DoJO now btw) and Rick Carlisle don't trust Rookies anyway
our coach is a stubborn who use 8 man rotation from day 1 in the regular season and have so much love for Barea for some reason
we lack someone who can be the second option
we have no backup PF
obviously there are a lot of things to look for ,we have Dirk,Butler,Marion,we have some good big men,Kidd can still pass the ball and Roddy has a lot of potential
but the only way that we will win a championship right now that Roddy turns into a 20 PPG and as much as I like the kid and even though I think there will be time in his Career where he is going to do that,It is a lot to ask from a 22 years old player whose English isn't good yet,It is just unrealistic
we will make the Playoffs,we will probably make another 50 win ,making it a 50×11 ,It is possible we can make some noise in the playoffs and reach the WCF too
but winning a ring with the way the Mavs is constructed right now,as an old team who asks too much from their 32 years old franchise player ,with the team over valueing expiring contact thinking it is the only way to add talent then my answer is no we aren't gonna win a ring
I'm not sure about the hate on Dirk. He was the number 1 guy on a team that was up 2-0 on the Heat in the finals. If Dwayne Wade hadn't played unconscious the rest of the series they would've won. He almost always puts up big numbers in the playoffs and the regular season as well.
IMO, the crushing blow to the Mavs was trading away Devin Harris.
Trade idea JJ Barera for CDR
Kidd - Roddy B - Terry
CDR - Terry - Jones
Butler - Marion - CDR
Dirk - Marion - Ajinca
Chandler / Haywood - Mahinimi
Bucks get a cheap quality back up and saves them money so they can go sign a back up center
BJ - Barera
Salmons - Delfino - Redd
Maggete - Mbah ah Moute
Gooden - Ilyasova / Sanders
Bogut - Sanders
The Bucks just got CDR, why would they want to dump him so quickly???
If D.Wade wouldn't have gotten 25 FTA the Mavs would have won it. That game was a joke.
I don't think the Mavs need another swingman anyways. They're pretty deep on that position and Charisle plays with a 3PG line up alot, with Kidd or Terry usually playing the 3.
What they need right now is a PF who kind of complements Dirk. A tough low post scorer. Or maybe just get Louis Amudson as an energy guy and keep the rest of the money to make some moves before All-star break with teams who want to get under the cap. I hope Cuban is smart not to waste the money on bad players now.
that was dirks team...and they lost. he should have lit a fire under his teams ass like a true team leader...u dont lose to an 8 seed
The Warriors weren't your average 8 seed that season.
1) They were playing some of the best basketball to end the regular season
2) "The" Don Nelson was coaching the Warriors. As you may know, he was the former coach AND general manager of the Mavericks. He basically built that entire Mavericks' roster. I'm sure he knew more about some of those Maverick player's tendencies than they themselves knew.
3) Then of course, Avery Johnson was Nelson's understudy during Nellie's last years with the Mavericks.
The Warriors had a nice upperhand over the Mavericks that you rarely see during any 1 seed vs an 8 seed. Regardless of the excuses, the Mavericks still lost.
Fun little fact: The Mavericks are the only team to lose as a #1 seed (to the Warriors) and as a #2 seed (to the Spurs this past year).