I don't understand why everyone seems to think that Conley hasn't turned into what the Grizzlies want him to be, and that they are looking to dump him. They traded away both backup point guards last year because they obviously thought he was the guy. Conley had solid splits at the end of last season whenever he was logging quality minutes every night. He is going to be a solid player. He came out as a freshman, so basically the kid just finished his junior year in college, and he is really starting to blossom right now.
As for the draft pick, I do not believe the hype surrounding Thabeet. He is offensively challenged and would not fit well with M.Gasol in the lineup. Gasol is way too slow to move to the PF position and if they were to have both players on the floor at one time, then they would be one of the slowest teams in the league. With Conley, Mayo, and Gay together for another year, they will be looking to push the ball a little more. Rubio is a definite possibility even with Conley. Marko Jaric is the PG following Conley on the depth chart, and that is not a good thing. If the Grizzlies draft Rubio, they will be able to play a nice version of small ball from time to time, and press on defense and get out in transition. Here is a possible small lineup: Conley, Rubio, Mayo, Gay, and Arthur/Warrick. They could use this to harass teams for stretches during the game and tire down some teams. Rubio is the top choice IF they keep the pick.
I honestly do not see the Grizzlies staying in this number two spot. I don't think that they want to have to fool with Rubio and his buyout and are not sold on Thabeet. They need a solid PF and I think they will end up trading down and getting Jordan Hill, along with stockpiling picks from the T'Wolves who are loaded. They seem like friendly trading partners and this would suit the Grizzlies better by giving them 3 first round picks which will help them get deeper. This is a PG heavy draft, so they could get one in the middle or late first as well as another swing player, maybe a Chase Budinger or Terrence Williams. Look for the Grizzlies to be very active on draft day, as usual.
Let me know what you think. This is my first post on any forum.
Minnesota would love to get their hands on Rubio. You are suggesting #6, #18 and #28 for the #2?
I like it.
There's no way in hell the twolves will trade big ball. from what I here are new gm like evans at the 6 pick
why would minnesota jump on that 3 for 1 deal?
No chance they would...just to move up 4 spots i gotta give up all my picks crazy.
Minnsota can take a PG at 18 and 28....why move up to 2?
Conley needs a year more. He came into the nba got hurt last season and needs a little more time to develop a jumper
I think the Wolves would have to consider it. They desperately need a point guard and Rubio is far and away the best in his class. He has the potential to be the next steve nash. However, from the Gizzlies standpoint, there is no guarentee that Jordan Hill drops to number 6. Several teams ahead of them would be looking to add big man, including OKC, Sactown, and DC. Becasue of this, I think it makes more sense for the Grizz to trade down to number 4, where the Kings are in love with Rubio and also need a pg. This proposed deal would look like:
to Sacramento--#2 (Ricky Rubio)
to Memphis--#4 (Jordan Hill), #23, #31
I definitely agree with your statement that Memphis will be looking to trade. For their sake, I hope that they don't choose Thabeet at number 2. That pick screams bust.
For the Wolves, I was talking about swapping picks and just the #18 and maybe the 2nd-rounder, but 3 first-rounders is too much to give up to move up only two spots. But Rubio could be a game-changer for the Wolves.
And I dont see any of those trades happening that grizzfan threw out. The Grizzlies would be getting rid of soooo much every single time. Al Jefferson is untouchable, and he is coming off a serious injury anyways, so that would scare away many teams. The last one is actually possible, though. I doubt the Clippers have much interest in Arthur, so it would have to be someone else, but the Grizzlies have the picks to pull it off, depending on what the Clips are interested in.
Some people think Hill at #2 is a reach, but he really fits that system beautifully. If you cant trade down to 4 with the kings then you draft hill at 2. As much as i love ricky rubio and hasheem thabeet as players the grizzlies don't need them. If you draft rubio you truly have no faith in conley. If you draft thabeet you be come one of if not the slowest teams in the league.
No one will draft Hill over Rubio and personally I wouldn't draft him before James Harden in some cases. I would look for memphis to move down some how and acquire a big whether that is Hill or maybe I team looking to deal a big in the process of rebuilding like the Suns
In my opinion the Grizzlies need to stockpile as much talent as possible and trading Mayo wouldn't help this team especially considering he had a very good year.I like Rubio, but I'm scared he'll stay overseas if not drafted by the team of his choice. I don't want the Grizz to make the same mistake Orlando made with the guy they drafted from FC Barcelona and he's still over there and that set them back some, the Spurs have made that same mistake.The Grizz can't afford that kind of let down, I want the guy but not at that cost maybe we should trade down and take the football approach and stockpile picks it's worked so well with Portland they are the bluepring on how to build a franchise through the draft because of the chep labor you can acquire and trade flexibilty it creates.The Grizz need depth and a starting PF.If they trade down they should go no later than 6 and be able to either acquire a starting caliber player or end up with 3 first round picks.I would love to somehow get a starting PF and maybe Tyreke Evans and/or T.Williams, I think we both agree on those players would love to get players like AJ Price as a backup point or Jonny Flynn that guy is going to be good probably alot better than Conley but I agree he did come on towards the end when we traded Lowry.Whatever they do its time to fill in the gaps on this team we are not quite as talented as OKC but I think we are on the same path to getting better it's time to spend that cap money not all of it but get some quality guys. I like Hakim Warrick but he is valuable in a sign and trade deal and we should use that leverage and see what the market bares for his services if not resign him and play him he's a good team player so keeping is not a bad idea good post Memphistilldie.What do you think of Lester Hudson out of Central? He could help with that second round pick he might be a little old but considering the path he took there is no quit in him .
Good stuff, Los. I'm with you almost 100%. Considering the youth of our team, we were not bad defensively. Getting a long and athletic player mid-way through the first (via trade) like T.Williams would help the team defensively as well as give Rudy a breather from time-to-time. I absolutely love Jonny Flynn, but I dont see us drafting a point guard with our first pick of the draft. Mark my words: This will be the best class of point guards, possibly ever. The position is just so deep this year. We could get a very solid PG late in the first to give Conley depth. And for some reason I just think the Grizzlies would trade down to the 6th pick and still be able to get Hill. OKC will likely takeThabeet if he's there. The Kings drafted Thompson last year and need a PG, so they will take whichever one they are highest on, and the Wizards need a SG, and they will likely go towards James Harden. I really think that trading with the Kings will put us close to the 35-win mark next season. I like Lester, but I think it will depend on who will be available at the earlier picks for the Grizzlies. He is a flat out scorer that the Memphis second-unit desperately needs.
This is going to be an absolutely crazy draft. The Grizzlies have the chance of being a team like the Patriots who trades down depending on who is there, stockpiles picks, and eventually gets their guy, while along the way building a solid foundation. They have just one more bad contract to get rid of, and then they will be a very flexible team. I hope Chris Wallace (Memphis GM) really puts work in this year. This is a make-or-break offseason for the Grizz.
I don't understand the logic of trading down in a draft that is widely considered as shallow as this one is. This draft is overly top-heavy with a string of role players and future busts rounding out the first round. Jordan Hill, in my opinion, is probably the most overrated player in this draft, and I don't blindly conjure this opinion but base it off of Arizona games I watched this year. The Chris Bosh comparisons are drastically over-hyped. I say draft Rubio. Conley is an odd situation, trade him if an established PF can be acquired in a package deal with some of our remaining picks. On the contrary, I would lose no sleep if we kept him and had a 1-2 punch at PG, but then we would need to spend a little cash money (which Heisley refuses to do on anybody other than Darko or Brian Cardinal) and sign either Paul Milsap, Chris Anderson, Anderson Varejao, or Carlos Boozer (which I realize is a long shot).
In this situation you trade down because of the possibilities that you could get for that pick. You're right that the draft is shallow overall (supposedly), but it is deep at PG, which we do need a backup in. Jordan Hill is still very new to the game. He is a raw player, but he has shown that he learns quickly and is fundamentally sound. I am not going to call Rubio's bluff of staying overseas, because that is a hefty amount that he has to pay to get out of his contract, and still makes solid money over in Europe. We already know that the Grizzlies don't want to spend the money right now, and I think that the only veteran player (one that is available) that the Grizzlies are wanting to go after, and are willing to go after via trade is Amare. Other than that, I don't see the Grizzlies acquiring a high-priced veteran. They need to stockpile picks, whether they are for this year or next year, because that will keep the books low, which is what they want.
I don't think Jordan Hill will ever be anywhere near the level of play that Chris Bosh has produced. I'm guessing the comparison was based on appearance with the dreadlocks over actual game play. He's going to be a good solid pro who in my mind could possibly become a 20-10-3 guy if hes developed properly. He fits so nicely in Memphis' uptempo game I just think Thabeet would kill that offensive functionality. I don't like the idea of playing both Gasol and Thabeet on the floor at the same time. Both are centers that are strictly that.
I am a huge advocate of Ricky Rubio, but the issue is you already have Mike Conley at the point. If you can get a viable option for Conley then take a deal and draft Rubio. Deal with his attitude later on this one. If your Memphis I'd entertain a trade with Sacramento and move down to the 4th pick and take Hill there if you can't trade Conley and if Rubios not bluffing. Maybe the rights to number 2 and a cash dump (Marko Jaric preferably) for the #4, Donte Green or something along those lines. I'd take that and I'm sure Sacramento would if it gets them Rubio. That way you add depth to the 3 and bring in a starting power forward spot and possibly move a terrible contract.
We also have the 28th and the 35th pick in this draft to go along with 2. In a point guard heavy draft I don't think a need of taking Rubio High is a must. Big Men are a much deeper concern for a majority of NBA teams and Hill in my mind fits what Memphis is trying to accomplish.
I think you go athletic at the 28th pick. If guys like Gani Lawal, Taj Gibson, Terrence Williams, Sam Young and James Johnson drop down to 28 I think you try and take that route.
I think you can get away with taking a second round point guard at 35. I don't think Teague will stay in so that takes one name off the board. I like Rodrigue Beaubois but he's a reach at 35. I wouldn't doubt the pick coming down to Lester Hudson, AJ Price or Toney Douglass who all three in my mind can be serviceable NBA point guards.
whatever the grizz do, they need to come away with a legit pf for next season