Mike Brown Fired!!!
It wasn't Mike Brown's offense. He can't coach offense. It was Eddie Jordan's offense and Kobe was the one who suggested using the Princeton, which BTW is actually very similar to the triangle. Would people be bagging on the triangle as well if they were using that instead?
Anyways, it's a good move. Mike Brown's cheerleading just wasn't good enough.
siggy, please explain in ANY WAY how the triangle and princeton offense are similiar? cause theyre not.. at all.. read up before u make claims like this.
The pinch post action. Pinch post action turning into modified pick n roll off of the hand off. The double post action. The inverted offense, with the bigs being key decision makers up top, with cutters running off both sides of the bigs. The point not being the primary ball-handler or distributor. They are both offenses predicated on multiple touches (P-Jax would often require a certain number of passes per possession). Back cuts based on how the strong side is being defended. I can go on.
Furthermore, Eddie Jordan's offense is not a pure Princeton offense. It is a "Princeton Principles" offense. It is a hybrid offense with Princeton principles built into it. If you watched the Wiz when he was coaching them, you would've never thought that they were running a pure Princeton offense, because the offense also involved a ton of iso. No team in the NBA runs a pure Princeton offense because the dribble drive and breaking down the defense in that fashion is such an important part of the NBA game. Not even Adelman runs a pure Princeton offense. In fact he runs, a hybrid of Princeton and Triangle.
I learned alot!, thanks!,
Eddie Jordan got fired at wizards and 76ers right? then why the hell is he running the Lakers Offense,
one more thing, when running a Princeton offense does it need to have a legitimate center? i mean could you just run the game with 5 skilled Small forwards?, because in the wiki it says that "strategy which emphasizes constant motion, passing, back-door cuts, picks on and off the ball" would be great if it was run in Denver though
um, not really.. the triangle does work a lot on the wings, but it also works with bigs in the low post.. placement of the pf/c are basically the exact opposite of the princeton offense, where the forwards work out on the high block allowing more back cuts..
im happy. I just never saw the defensive improvment that he was supposed to bring to override his lack of offensive knowledge. If they were busting ass on d last season and this early portion of this season, then ill roll with some average O. But the team never got it going at either end. Now the question is who is next.
that princeton offense really isnt the problem with this team...it can be really effective for them...their problem was just horrible defense and a very poor bench...also some players just didnt seem to be that motivated when they were playing...im almost 100% sure the lakers are talking to phil right now and we will see him as the coach in no later than a week.
oh yeah, itd be funny if howard was the one who got him fired too...
DEATH STARES WORKS EVERYTIME!!!
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Everyone talks about this team as a juggernaut, but remember Nash has really only played one game. He got hurt early in the second game and while he took the court again he was not even 70%. And Dwight is still getting into game shape. Kobe has been fantastic and seems to be ready to reduce his role. He is averaging 17 FGA per game this year (and that includes his massive 40 point game) instead of the 23 per game he averaged last year. On lower shooting he is hitting a ridiculous percentage. It is kind of scary considering the role Kobe is on that they are losing games.
New coach needs to survive until Nash gets back. Spread the starters around. Two out of Howard, Gasol and Kobe should be on the court at ALL times. If that means Gasol sits after five minutes and then comes back later and finishes out the first half with a lot of the bench players, that is fine. But this bench can't be trusted by themselves at all. Once Nash is back, you can go with two out of the big four at ALL times. That should be enough.
Mike Brown wasn't the right guy for the job anyway. I don't know what Jim Buss was thinking coming in and making that decision... Way to waste his daddy's money. Brian Shaw should've been the guy to replace Phil Jackson.
However, there's no doubt the Lakers need a BIG time coach. Jerry Sloan is out there, but is he a LA guy? I don't know. I'm sure Phil Jackson will come out of retirement if that money is right (however how much difference is there between the triangle and the Princeton offense though?).
Its a good move at the right time, I was saying the other day, if they were going to get rid of Brown, they needed to do it right now so they can start looking towards trade deadline.
Brown shouldve never gotten the job anyway...not over Shaw...or Adelman for that matter. Even still, he is a scapegoat...I think their problems are bigger than Brown. I thought the acquisitions of Howard and Nash were overrated. People thinking by adding them they automatically are entitled to be in the top 3 teams out West.
They've got work to do to get the offense like they want...but they have some serious defensive issues that even if they win games in the regular, postseason will be their ending. They lack team speed. There's no Matt Barnes, a year later they are still missing the versatility that Odom brought off the bench, and Metta is just not the defender he once was.
As stated above....they need a better bench. Basically they need new personnel to go along with their stars....AND a big time coach.
I also kind of think people need to be patient... Dwight Howard isn't the same player right now. Once he's 100%, I think that defense is A LOT better even with the lack of speed on the perimeter. I mean, it's not like Orlando was that fast on the perimeter.
But Howard isn't right... He's two or three steps slow. He's gotten dunked on more this season than in his entire NBA career. He's gotten his shots blocked by players he'd have dunked in the rim with the ball last season. I don't even think he's 70% of the athlete he normally is.
After the awful pre-season and poor start the odds on Mike Brown going steadily grew and now he has got the chop. A lot will depend on how the Lakers want to play it as they either go for a big name shorter term veteran Coach or maybe a younger long term guy.
Big name guys will want money and perhaps their own coaching staff, the Lakers are rich but having to hire new staff and pay off the others especially Mike Brown would be costly combined with the luxury tax hits they will take. Plus they need the right man to convince D12 to extend and someone Kobe will work with. The real fun could start if Kobe and D12 prefered different guys.
Phil Jackson is an obvious choice to return and maybe a deal for this season and next could tempt him. Mike D'Antoni as mentioned above would be logical with Steve Nash but he failed at the Knicks and never got Phoenix to an NBA final. Could Brian Shaw maybe be prised back from the Pacers if NBA rules allow, he knows the team, the system, Kobe respects him and he would not be the most expensive guy to hire.
The Los Angeles Lakers have fired Mike Brown after a 1-4 start.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/224403/Lakers_Fire_Mike_Brown
Lol was bound to happen just thought he'd get a couple more games.