i cant help but noticed..jordan williams might be the worst athlete ever in combine history? hes in the bottom 5 in every single category...
Jordan Hamilton with only a 25 vert and Darius Morris with a 24.5. Thought these 2 had more ups. Iman Shumpert really impressed me with his jumps. Jimmer proved people wrong with his very good speed.
I also feel bad for Jordan Williams he really shouldnt have went to this combine, bottom 5 in just about everything
Also I wish Kyrie could have went to the combine, im curious to see what he would have done
Jimmer is clearly quicker and faster than people think.
Yea def i didnt think he would beat out like Knight and Cory Joesph and the rest of the quick gaurds.
Proved me wrong
Selby with a 42 inch vert? Damn.
Is he getting banned?
There's usually a warning first, sent via e-mail.
Wait... Mccamy and Moore couldn't bench 185 once? I understand Honeycutt but those two?
I have a hard time believing Demetri McCamey and E'Twaun Moore couldn't do 185. Both of those guys play in probably the most physical conference of all the high majors, and McCamey is simply too big of a man to not be able to do it. Both don't have the look of weak guys, they must not have participated.
I don't get why he would get banned, everyone was waiting to see this info and he posts it and gets banned cause it's from DX. That's bullsh$t from Aran, what are we supposed to do, wait till Aran posts it a day later?
i cant believe how low this guy is on the board he was pretty good in college im sure he can get a little better in the NBA he is gonna be a steal
I was surprised to see Leuer on there a few times. I had no idea he was that quick! Lol
"Guess this means were gonna move Shumpert to the first round because he can jump high! Sarcasm"-BKknicksfan
That's only a smiget of reasons for him going in the 1st. Dude is just a Freak! 6'5'' 221 PG!
As predicted I said Leslie would not top all in the vert dept. I'm actually shocked to see Selby with a 42. He seemed to be a 38ish guy, but he does have some hang.
From what I seen on Isaiah Thomas at the combine he looked like he jumped out the gym.
Kemba really did not look like he tested well in the vert from the combine footage. 39 is very good for a 1 foot jumper.
but geez man they got players that can't lift 185?!?
My little cousin lifts more than that and he is a junior in high school.
But Derrick Williams doing it 19 times is BEAST!!!
No Jeremy Tyler vert test or bench reps? He went Dwight Howard on the vert test! I'm sure he is strong as an ox too.
Had a max vert measured at 33.5 inches, which is good for his size. That gives him a max vert reach of 12 feet, and considering Dwight's max vert reach was 12'2 when tested during the draft process, I guess he relatively "went Dwight Howard". But, as we have since seen Dwight apparently touch 12'6 and also dunk on a 12 foot basket, it maybe shows us we should take these test results with a grain of salt. After all, the "max vert" is basically a three step vert that does not necessarily match the velocity these guys get with a full head of steam. I am fairly sure Jeremy Tyler could touch a point higher than 12 feet, and that Dwight Howard's current vertical was similar to his vertical back when he was being tested. Technically though, Tyler finished with a vert reach behind the likes of Keith Benson and JaJuan Johnson.
Jimmer tested very solid, 28 standing 33 max , 14 reps and good times on his agility drills. I think that will help his stock a bit, since athletic ability was one of his main knocks.
wooow at Knight! Can you imagine that has better numbers in both agility and sprint than John Wall ?!! also Walker almost 40vert with nice quickness..i think it's very very bad for Kyrie..especially when Derrick Williams also showed that he is beast with Griffin type of vert,speed and strength
@lalaila, I was surprised on how strong Knight was, he's one of the thinnest players in the draft, but registered 10 reps on the bench ( which in his case is more than his body weight)
Iman Shumpert's numbers across the board are ridiculous. He tested better than I expected. Guy had a 42 inch vert, bench pressed 18 reps (ONE behind Williams' 19) and had some quick agility times. Not to mention being nearly 6'6 in shoes...I smell a rise on the draft board strictly off of these results.
These numbers probably rarely surprise GM's as much as they surprise some of us. If you look at the correlation between athletic testing at the combines amongst the best and worst players in the NBA, it is probably incredibly difficult to find the difference. There are players who do not get off of the bench that could outjump almost everyone on their team. Iman Shumpert is built like a tank and had by far the most impressive combine based on height and athleticism, but that still does not stop the fact that he shot 40% from the field last year.
True, we have little idea of what Kyrie would measure in these categories, but when all is said and done, I doubt it would have made much difference. Some of the best players in the league have had horrible combines, and we quickly found out that their athleticism was definitely better than their combine numbers showed. Kevin Durant and Monta Ellis definitely come to mind. You realize Solomon Jones measured a max vert reach equal to that of Dwight Howard? These numbers give you a gauge of how athletic these guys are, but they are not maxing out their vert on every possession. Plus, on defense, it is incredibly rare that you will have three steps to effect a play off of the jump. Chase down blocks and running out to guys shooting triples, can you think of much more?
These numbers are interesting to look at, but they are really hard to gauge as far as predicting ones future success. Joey Graham and Joe Alexander had monster combines, they lifted way more reps than Derrick Williams and had incredibly similar agility numbers. Still does not change the fact that neither of them were the shooters or basketball players that Derrick Williams is. These numbers maybe tell you who the poor and solid athletes are, but for the most part we know who they are already. What they do not tell you is who plays the best in a 5 on 5 situation, and I think that gets weighed tons more than the combine, as it should be. Workout warriors rarely turn out to be the best players, and if there has been one that has jumped off of the charts and become one, I have yet to see it. Some of these numbers are slightly surprising, Shumperts max vert is much higher than one would think, but how often does he use it in a game? For the most part, we usually find out that the guys who have 40 inch verticals measure with 40 inch verticals, and the guys who are incredibly quick and incredibly quick/athletic. I think the combine points out possible limitations and improvements, but it shows very little in terms of a players actual potential when it comes to being better basketball players.
You give lots of examples of guys having great combines but being really bad players...
You dont give examples of players having terrible combines and being great players..
I think that you cant judge how good a guy does and say he is gonna be fantastic becase he can jump high but I do think that if a guy has a horrible vert, isnt strong, and isnt fast, then the odds of him being a huge bust are much much higher than if he would have tested very well..
"Iman Shumpert is built like a tank and had by far the most impressive combine based on height and athleticism, but that still does not stop the fact that he shot 40% from the field last year."
Somebody finally isn't taking the fools gold.
Because if so, I clearly gave Monta Ellis and Kevin Durant as two. I also pretty much say that in what I wrote as well. If a guy is a bad athlete, so much so to hinder him potentially in creating his own shot or staying in front of his man, the odds are he will have a hard time improving doing that. Al Jefferson and LaMarcus Aldridge were near the bottom of the rankings in athleticism testing as well, as was Caron Butler. Carmelo Anthony and Andre Iguodala were also measured as being middle of the pack athletes amongst their draft class. Clearly this is why the NBA Combine has moved away from ranking athletes based on their combined scores in standing vert, max vert, 185 pound bench, agility and 3/4 sprint. Only one of the three athletes that went #1 (and were drafted in the first round) when they measured this way is a great athlete in my mind. which was Nate Robinson. I think we can come to a consensus that Joey Graham and Troy Bell are pretty average by NBA standards, even after being ranked #1 athletes in their respective draft classes of 2005 and 2003.
DeMarcus Cousins and Greg Monroe measured as being incredibly unathletic by combine standards, and they were the two best post rookies out of their draft class. Brook Lopez is constantly regarded as having well surpassed where he was picked, and his numbers were awful. Michael Redd seemed to carve a nice niche for himself as a pretty below average combine measured athlete. Michael Beasley and Carlos Boozer both had verts that were incredibly below average amongst the top athletes in the NBA, only hurt Boozers stock. I guess that you have a better chance risking a pick on a great athlete than a poor athlete, but their is really little evidence supporting the players that do the best in these athletic tests have even close to the most success.
Well I aint taking the FOOL'S GOLD when it comes to Shumpert, but I do believe that in the right situation...HINT HINT...the Los Angeles Lakers...he could help a team DEFENSIVELY and provide a little bit of slashing ability. I never believed nor have been quoted saying his numbers translate to great shooting, consistency, and potential all-star ability. When you have those abilities on defense as he showed sometimes in the ACC combined with his physical features, you find a team who can utilize them to the fullest. Is he not a DECENT defender?
Monta is quick as a cat and IDK if they really did this when he was being drafted and Durant had a pretty good vert for a 6'9 guy and nobody thought he was strong..
And I didnt say that if a guy does fantastic, he is going to be great but IMO, if a guy shows that he is super weak, cant jump, and is slow for his position, he is gonna struggle to do well..
You have to keep in mind that you cant classify guys like Nate Robinson with guys like Carlos Boozer... If Nate has below a 34 inch vert, he isnt a high flyer but if a guy like Boozer has a 34 inch vert, he is Dwight Howard...
And, there is always the exception.. A finess big man can still be successful if he is weak because that is how he plays but imagine if Blake Griffin was built like Kevin Durant.. He could never succeed in the post no matter how verticle he was...
Listed their 8th. The point is, you were saying that I had not listed as to why I think the combine could be misleading for good and bad athletes, and I did. Than you start talking about Carlos Boozer being Dwight Howard, which would not be the case. If Blake Griffin were built like Kevin Durant, he would probably not be the first pick in the draft, or of course have an incredibly adapted game. All I was saying was that you can only get a glimpse of how a player actually uses these abilities as NBA players.
Odds are that you are not going into a combine thinking a guy with a 25 inch vert has a 35 inch vert. You have some idea of what these guys do already. Yes, it is easier to mask your issues if you have athleticism. But, it still by no means says you will be better than a player who tests as a worse athlete. The players I named had bad combines by NBA standards, and some of them are great athletes. Maybe they had an off day? Maybe the players that had great combines had trained for months for these particular drills and than as soon as they are drafted will stop training that hard again and lose inches and miliseconds (sure it has happened). That is my point. That is why you take them with a grain of salt. You usually know what you are getting, and the combine either backs you up, and maybe proves you wrong one way or the other.
There is no real way I was classifying Nate Robinson with Carlos Boozer. Everything I listed was by expectations and positions for the position these players play. To me, guys lifting 185 pounds is not the end all be all to a persons strength, and tells me little as to which players are indeed the strongest. Also have yet to see a direct correlation between the speed drills and which players are the fastest with the ball in their hands. But, yes, you are correct, if a guy who you know is a below average athlete, he may struggle more than someone else. Though, as I have shown you through my examples, it is far from an exact science. Just ask the people that picked Carlos Boozer, Monta Ellis and Michael Redd in the second round, while Joey Graham and Troy Bell went top 20 and Joe Alexander goes 8th.
By any chance do you know Tyler's bench reps?
Also, athletic tests were just posted on here, in a format much easier to read and take actual information from much easier than any other site I have seen.
But it is nice to know when someone is not reading what I write.......
Dude be easy I am logged in from my jack. The only thing I seen you post on him was about his vert.
Your Jack?? Is that one of those old smart phone things with the full keyboard?
I am guessing he was talking about his phone. Though, "jack's is pay phones", so, he should be talking about your cellphone, which is your "celly". Memphis, dude, your slang is way off sometimes man. If you have to check from your phone, than any info you are going to get is limited. Plus, if you use slang words out of place, you just sound like you are trying too hard.
So, listen to Big L, know that "bunnies" and "yams" are not as cool of terms as you seem to think they are, and that you do not need to try and start slang trends, because you have shown very little ability in doing so. Sorry to be so brutal, but it is the truth.
I was thinking this:
A Samsung Jack: Basically a Blackberry knockoff..