[Lotto StudParticipant]

 I took it upon myself to conduct this thread because it’s very apparent that the new posters are not aware of the updated Mocks being used for a Big Board placement by Aran.

Since we all have our own opinions of who should rise who should fall etc. feel free to express in this thread versus starting a thread about it and complain why you are being bashed.

For instance T.J. Warren is a huge example of someone who should be way higher than most. After his 2 40pt game performances I believe he is a lock for the lottery. I look forward to seeing these changes very soon.

Whose stock has increased?

Whose stock has decreased?

 

 

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 There is zero percent chance that Nik Stauskas slips to the 2nd round Lol. I expect him in the late lottery or just outside of the lottery.

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 There is zero percent chance that Nik Stauskas slips to the 2nd round Lol. I expect him in the late lottery or just outside of the lottery.

[Lafferty DanielParticipant]

Here is my first round big board as of now.  Obviously this will change due to the tourney, combine, and which prospects decide to enter the draft, or go back to school/Europe.  Clint Capela has been the biggest riser the past month or so.  Let me know what you think.

1. Andrew Wiggins

2. Jabari Parker

3. Joel Embiid

4. Dante Exum

5. Marcus Smart

6. Julius Randle

7. Noah Vonleh

8. Aaron Gordon

9. Dario Saric

10. Tyler Ennis

11. Gary Harris

12. Doug McDermott

13. Rodney Hood

14. Clint Capela

15. Jusuf Nurkic

16. Zach LaVine

17. Montrezl Harrell

18. James Young

19. Adreian Payne

20. Nik Stauskas

21. Kyle Anderson

22. Willie Cauley-Stein

23. T.J. Warren

24. Jerami Grant

25. K.J. McDaniels

26. Jordan Clarkson

27. Wayne Selden

28. P.J. Hairston

29. Sam Dekker

30. Semaj Christon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 It’s already understood how I feel about Warren but I believe Hood could go a little higher.

[Lafferty DanielParticipant]

I’m concerned that Warren won’t be quick enough to defend SF’s in the NBA.  Also concerned with his 6’9.5" wingspan.  Great college scorer, but I don’t think he’s worthy of a lotto pick at this point.  I’ll be following him closely during the combine.

 

 

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

TJ Warren game really reminds me of CDR, and his game didn’t translate. 

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

TJ Warren game really reminds me of CDR, and his game didn’t translate. 

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 What about Hood?

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 I think he’ll be a solid role player or a shooter coming off the bench. He doesn’t blow me away with any one thing other then being a very good spot up set shooter. He can play the SF spot in stretches, but not full time. He can’t create for himself and will need to be in a system or with passing guards. Average athlete by NBA standards and isn’t the strongest guy. Defense is the conern and question mark for him at the next level. CAn he defends SF’s or PF’s ? If the team can cover up his weaknesses I see him being a Robert Horry type of player.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 I think he’ll be a solid role player or a shooter coming off the bench. He doesn’t blow me away with any one thing other then being a very good spot up set shooter. He can play the SF spot in stretches, but not full time. He can’t create for himself and will need to be in a system or with passing guards. Average athlete by NBA standards and isn’t the strongest guy. Defense is the conern and question mark for him at the next level. CAn he defends SF’s or PF’s ? If the team can cover up his weaknesses I see him being a Robert Horry type of player.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 What about Hood?

[Lafferty DanielParticipant]

I’m concerned that Warren won’t be quick enough to defend SF’s in the NBA.  Also concerned with his 6’9.5" wingspan.  Great college scorer, but I don’t think he’s worthy of a lotto pick at this point.  I’ll be following him closely during the combine.

 

 

[Scrooge McDuckParticipant]

If I’m remembering correctly you touted CJ Leslie a lot last year.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 Who me ? 

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 Who me ? 

[Scrooge McDuckParticipant]

If I’m remembering correctly you touted CJ Leslie a lot last year.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 It’s already understood how I feel about Warren but I believe Hood could go a little higher.

[Sewok15Participant]

I really like yours the only drastic change I would have would be James Young closer to the top 10. Young, Hood and Harris would probably be my 8,9,10 spots with Gordon 11th. Our top 7 are identical with the exception of prefering Embiid to Parker.

[Sewok15Participant]

I really like yours the only drastic change I would have would be James Young closer to the top 10. Young, Hood and Harris would probably be my 8,9,10 spots with Gordon 11th. Our top 7 are identical with the exception of prefering Embiid to Parker.

[Lafferty DanielParticipant]

Here is my first round big board as of now.  Obviously this will change due to the tourney, combine, and which prospects decide to enter the draft, or go back to school/Europe.  Clint Capela has been the biggest riser the past month or so.  Let me know what you think.

1. Andrew Wiggins

2. Jabari Parker

3. Joel Embiid

4. Dante Exum

5. Marcus Smart

6. Julius Randle

7. Noah Vonleh

8. Aaron Gordon

9. Dario Saric

10. Tyler Ennis

11. Gary Harris

12. Doug McDermott

13. Rodney Hood

14. Clint Capela

15. Jusuf Nurkic

16. Zach LaVine

17. Montrezl Harrell

18. James Young

19. Adreian Payne

20. Nik Stauskas

21. Kyle Anderson

22. Willie Cauley-Stein

23. T.J. Warren

24. Jerami Grant

25. K.J. McDaniels

26. Jordan Clarkson

27. Wayne Selden

28. P.J. Hairston

29. Sam Dekker

30. Semaj Christon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

I haven’t been sold on him being a full time point almost from the start. When his stock was as high as it could get I mentioned that and this season he solidified it for me. 

Maybe perhaps he can be a Wesley Matthew type of player because he is a good defender and has solid all around skills/IQ. Strong enough to guard wings, but on the short side and will have trouble dealing with the height/length. Not a great shooter. He isn’t a bad athlete, but he isn’t explosive either. I see him being a cog or glue guy on the next level best case.

[Lafferty DanielParticipant]

I could still drop Smart farther down.  At this point I’m having trouble finding a reason to place Randle or Vonleh ahead of him.  Plus I kind of feel that if Oladipo can somewhat hang as a PG even though he’s a SG, why can’t Smart who has actually ran the point in college.  Maybe that logic is flawed, but that’s how I feel right now.

[Lafferty DanielParticipant]

I could still drop Smart farther down.  At this point I’m having trouble finding a reason to place Randle or Vonleh ahead of him.  Plus I kind of feel that if Oladipo can somewhat hang as a PG even though he’s a SG, why can’t Smart who has actually ran the point in college.  Maybe that logic is flawed, but that’s how I feel right now.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

I haven’t been sold on him being a full time point almost from the start. When his stock was as high as it could get I mentioned that and this season he solidified it for me. 

Maybe perhaps he can be a Wesley Matthew type of player because he is a good defender and has solid all around skills/IQ. Strong enough to guard wings, but on the short side and will have trouble dealing with the height/length. Not a great shooter. He isn’t a bad athlete, but he isn’t explosive either. I see him being a cog or glue guy on the next level best case.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 The guys I think will and should rise coming draft time is Elfrid Payton. He can translate on the next level with his size, athleticism and skills. I can see a team seeing a steal in him.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 The guys I think will and should rise coming draft time is Elfrid Payton. He can translate on the next level with his size, athleticism and skills. I can see a team seeing a steal in him.

[Lafferty DanielParticipant]

I’d love to see other big boards.  Don’t worry about getting neg’d. 

[Lafferty DanielParticipant]

I’d love to see other big boards.  Don’t worry about getting neg’d. 

[PhillytheKid]

 1.  Andrew Wiggins – lately has flashed too much potential to not go 1.

2.  Joel Embiid – again higher ceiling than parker, great potential both sides of the ball.  (2 yrs of bball!)

3.  Jabari Parker – just his defensive ability holding him back, I think he’s a perennial all-star, better than Paul Pierce.

4.  Dante Exum – potential Derrick Rose, some say flashes of MJ.  Patty Mills can ball and this kid is way more hyped.  I believe he fits as a combo PG in the NBA.

5.  Julius Randle – Randle or Smart depends on team need.  Randle is more dynamic due his position, but essentially the same player just at different positions.

6.  Noah Vonleh – in my opinion will be the 5th best NBA player of the draft.  Has size and skill.  But the NBA is dumb and will take Randle (and maybe Smart) ahead of him.

7. Marcus Smart – I personally don’t get it.  He’s a good athlete but so is Tyreke Evans.  That "will to win" is overrated if its not backed by Talent.  NBA is going to be humbling for this guy.

8.  Dario Saric – some team will take the risk at this point on the do-it-all European player.

9.  Aaron Gordon – athletic freak, by a team that can afford to take a gamble.

10.  Tyler Ennis – at this point, take the kid with obvious leadership qualities.

11.  Jerami Grant – a positive presence.  Will have an excellent +/- in the NBA.  Teams will do better with him.

12.  Rodney Hood – good size and good game, just lacks something athletically.

13.  Doug McDermott – McBuckets, more I watch the more I like.  Enough size, more athletic than Korver, and just a better player than Sczerbiak because he’s a better passer.

 

14.  Gary Harris – just don’t see it like y’all do.  I see him as Corey Brewer or Brandon Rush.  NBA execs may take him 12, but I got him at 14.

15.  Zach Lavine – combo guard.  In a bad spot at UCLA.  In the NBA will be a better pro than anyone 8 – 14, but drafts depend on team need and risk.

16.  James Young – has the look of an NBA player, foundations of a great shot, long enough on defense, a team like Chicago of Pheonix will take that.

17.  Adrien Payne – impressive outside shot, passing ability, and solid defender.  Will be a good 4 if he can muscle up some more.

18.  Clint Capela – 40% FT.  Not a good shot.  But good at grabbing boards. Will be a nice piece in the NBA.

19.  Montrezl Harrell – athletic freak.  Guys like this (Lance Stephenson) on drafted at this spot on decent teams, make names for themselves in the NBA.

20.  Nik Stauskas – just a good ballplayer.

21.  Sam Dekker – good size and scorer.

22.  Willie Cauley-Stein – too tall and athletic to go much later than this.  He has a lazy face though, doesn’t seem like a bigtime gamer like Randle or Wiggins.  He was on the bench to Noel, and Noel had no offense, so a less athletic Noel.

23, 24.  Selden, Hairston.  I think Seldon needs to stick in college and become a more confident player, but has the tools.  Hairston’s only question is his size in the NBA.  Combine Selden and Hairston and you’ve got an NBA stud.  

25.  Kyle Anderson – Mr. Do-it-all….in slow motion.  Doesn’t have any fast-twitch muscles in his body.  I think he will get out-muscled in the NBA, unless he develops a Joakim Noah type flair.  Otherwise, he’ll be a bum.  

The other guys I havent’ followed much, just my thoughts hope it was entertaining!

[PhillytheKid]

 1.  Andrew Wiggins – lately has flashed too much potential to not go 1.

2.  Joel Embiid – again higher ceiling than parker, great potential both sides of the ball.  (2 yrs of bball!)

3.  Jabari Parker – just his defensive ability holding him back, I think he’s a perennial all-star, better than Paul Pierce.

4.  Dante Exum – potential Derrick Rose, some say flashes of MJ.  Patty Mills can ball and this kid is way more hyped.  I believe he fits as a combo PG in the NBA.

5.  Julius Randle – Randle or Smart depends on team need.  Randle is more dynamic due his position, but essentially the same player just at different positions.

6.  Noah Vonleh – in my opinion will be the 5th best NBA player of the draft.  Has size and skill.  But the NBA is dumb and will take Randle (and maybe Smart) ahead of him.

7. Marcus Smart – I personally don’t get it.  He’s a good athlete but so is Tyreke Evans.  That "will to win" is overrated if its not backed by Talent.  NBA is going to be humbling for this guy.

8.  Dario Saric – some team will take the risk at this point on the do-it-all European player.

9.  Aaron Gordon – athletic freak, by a team that can afford to take a gamble.

10.  Tyler Ennis – at this point, take the kid with obvious leadership qualities.

11.  Jerami Grant – a positive presence.  Will have an excellent +/- in the NBA.  Teams will do better with him.

12.  Rodney Hood – good size and good game, just lacks something athletically.

13.  Doug McDermott – McBuckets, more I watch the more I like.  Enough size, more athletic than Korver, and just a better player than Sczerbiak because he’s a better passer.

 

14.  Gary Harris – just don’t see it like y’all do.  I see him as Corey Brewer or Brandon Rush.  NBA execs may take him 12, but I got him at 14.

15.  Zach Lavine – combo guard.  In a bad spot at UCLA.  In the NBA will be a better pro than anyone 8 – 14, but drafts depend on team need and risk.

16.  James Young – has the look of an NBA player, foundations of a great shot, long enough on defense, a team like Chicago of Pheonix will take that.

17.  Adrien Payne – impressive outside shot, passing ability, and solid defender.  Will be a good 4 if he can muscle up some more.

18.  Clint Capela – 40% FT.  Not a good shot.  But good at grabbing boards. Will be a nice piece in the NBA.

19.  Montrezl Harrell – athletic freak.  Guys like this (Lance Stephenson) on drafted at this spot on decent teams, make names for themselves in the NBA.

20.  Nik Stauskas – just a good ballplayer.

21.  Sam Dekker – good size and scorer.

22.  Willie Cauley-Stein – too tall and athletic to go much later than this.  He has a lazy face though, doesn’t seem like a bigtime gamer like Randle or Wiggins.  He was on the bench to Noel, and Noel had no offense, so a less athletic Noel.

23, 24.  Selden, Hairston.  I think Seldon needs to stick in college and become a more confident player, but has the tools.  Hairston’s only question is his size in the NBA.  Combine Selden and Hairston and you’ve got an NBA stud.  

25.  Kyle Anderson – Mr. Do-it-all….in slow motion.  Doesn’t have any fast-twitch muscles in his body.  I think he will get out-muscled in the NBA, unless he develops a Joakim Noah type flair.  Otherwise, he’ll be a bum.  

The other guys I havent’ followed much, just my thoughts hope it was entertaining!

[tuck243Participant]

Obviously this will change due to crucial basketball being played but

I have

1) Wiggins- I think his level of play has picked up recently and he’s showing what he can do offensively. Still have to do a better job at finishing and I think the “lock down defender” claims are a bit much, but he’s proving to America these last couple of games what we saw in HS. He’s a much better athlete than Jabari and if he’s able to show he can score with ease then I don’t see why you wouldn’t go with this kid. I can’t think of a player in the NBA he plays like for real. That’s a good thing.

2) Jabari- I still think Jabari is the most skilled player in the country and his athleticism is underrated. Being able to defend isn’t an athletic talent, although people love to claim that. You don’t have to be fast in order to rotate on defense or close out on shooters. Its the willingness to do those things. Clearly Jabari wouldn’t guard that many superstar players anyway, but I think his critics concerns are a bit ridiculous. I’ve seen Melo (who doesn’t play defense consistently) play great against LeBron in stretches. Jabari’s issues for me is his shot selection and lack of first step. He has to get stronger in order to maximize his full potential, which I can see he will. I expect to see a more coachable and better shot selecting Melo from him.

3) Embiid- I love the fact that he’s willing to play with his back to the basket and dominate down low. That’s something that is lost in today’s NBA. The closet thing we have to a prototypical low post big man, that’s young in the league, is Boogie Cousins. Cousins such of a head case, I don’t see how anyone would want to pay him a max deal. Embiid has that desire to dominate down there and I love that about him. Now, one of the issues I have with him is he fouls a lot. Some people think players can correct that in the league (a lot of big men can’t). I think most of that is because he hasn’t played long enough, but still something that might be a concern. He also doesn’t play a ton of minutes even when he was fully healthy. It’s kinda alarming to me that he averages 23 minutes, often injured, and STILL has 3.5 fouls per game in college. Will he stay on the court in the NBA? Plus he averages 2.4 turnovers a game as a Center in college and in 23 minutes. Crazy… I still like him though and can imagine him being the top center in the league if he has the desire to get better as an all-around player. I see a big learning curve for him though. I don’t think he’ll be great contributor until the end of his rookie contract. High Risk pick if taken #1. I think #3 fits him perfectly.

4) Randle- His motor alone will give you a consistent 20 and 10. But the issue with big men like this is that’s all they can give you. I don’t see him humbling himself to play defense on a championship caliber team and I don’t know if he can be your best player. I think his ceiling is an All-Star and the second best player on your team. Can’t protect the basket and isn’t long enough to force bad shots from great guards. Will be Blake Griffin on defense. Also one handed, will like to see him go the opposite way in the league. I don’t think it’s a huge concern in the NBA though because he will start so close to the basket and he’s so strong, doesn’t matter if you force him to his right, he’ll still score.

5) Exum- I call him the enigma. I like his game but international players coming over recently haven’t lived up to what they’ve been labeled as. The good thing about him is that he’s actually athletic and big, which isn’t something you normally see from international players. My concern about him is his current level of competition isn’t better than College Hoops. It’s hard for me to put him above more proven players. Plus he doesn’t finish well above bigger players and his jumper isn’t the greatest. Would love to see him in workouts as he is probably the biggest bust or boom in the draft.

[tuck243Participant]

Obviously this will change due to crucial basketball being played but

I have

1) Wiggins- I think his level of play has picked up recently and he’s showing what he can do offensively. Still have to do a better job at finishing and I think the “lock down defender” claims are a bit much, but he’s proving to America these last couple of games what we saw in HS. He’s a much better athlete than Jabari and if he’s able to show he can score with ease then I don’t see why you wouldn’t go with this kid. I can’t think of a player in the NBA he plays like for real. That’s a good thing.

2) Jabari- I still think Jabari is the most skilled player in the country and his athleticism is underrated. Being able to defend isn’t an athletic talent, although people love to claim that. You don’t have to be fast in order to rotate on defense or close out on shooters. Its the willingness to do those things. Clearly Jabari wouldn’t guard that many superstar players anyway, but I think his critics concerns are a bit ridiculous. I’ve seen Melo (who doesn’t play defense consistently) play great against LeBron in stretches. Jabari’s issues for me is his shot selection and lack of first step. He has to get stronger in order to maximize his full potential, which I can see he will. I expect to see a more coachable and better shot selecting Melo from him.

3) Embiid- I love the fact that he’s willing to play with his back to the basket and dominate down low. That’s something that is lost in today’s NBA. The closet thing we have to a prototypical low post big man, that’s young in the league, is Boogie Cousins. Cousins such of a head case, I don’t see how anyone would want to pay him a max deal. Embiid has that desire to dominate down there and I love that about him. Now, one of the issues I have with him is he fouls a lot. Some people think players can correct that in the league (a lot of big men can’t). I think most of that is because he hasn’t played long enough, but still something that might be a concern. He also doesn’t play a ton of minutes even when he was fully healthy. It’s kinda alarming to me that he averages 23 minutes, often injured, and STILL has 3.5 fouls per game in college. Will he stay on the court in the NBA? Plus he averages 2.4 turnovers a game as a Center in college and in 23 minutes. Crazy… I still like him though and can imagine him being the top center in the league if he has the desire to get better as an all-around player. I see a big learning curve for him though. I don’t think he’ll be great contributor until the end of his rookie contract. High Risk pick if taken #1. I think #3 fits him perfectly.

4) Randle- His motor alone will give you a consistent 20 and 10. But the issue with big men like this is that’s all they can give you. I don’t see him humbling himself to play defense on a championship caliber team and I don’t know if he can be your best player. I think his ceiling is an All-Star and the second best player on your team. Can’t protect the basket and isn’t long enough to force bad shots from great guards. Will be Blake Griffin on defense. Also one handed, will like to see him go the opposite way in the league. I don’t think it’s a huge concern in the NBA though because he will start so close to the basket and he’s so strong, doesn’t matter if you force him to his right, he’ll still score.

5) Exum- I call him the enigma. I like his game but international players coming over recently haven’t lived up to what they’ve been labeled as. The good thing about him is that he’s actually athletic and big, which isn’t something you normally see from international players. My concern about him is his current level of competition isn’t better than College Hoops. It’s hard for me to put him above more proven players. Plus he doesn’t finish well above bigger players and his jumper isn’t the greatest. Would love to see him in workouts as he is probably the biggest bust or boom in the draft.

[LindseyParticipant]

1. Wiggins — Imo the highest ceiling AND floor of the draft. At the very least his athleticism, defence, and attitude will make him one of the most valuable pieces on a contender.

2. Embiid — wouldn’t have an issue with either Kansas kids going 1-2. I just think that with embiid injured, and how I can forsee wiggins dominating the workouts, more teams will give him the nod.

3. Parker — Will always be a good scorer, and If he is brought into the right culture where he can grow and mature into an elite talent, then it’s not farfetch at all to believe that he MIGHT be the generational talent from this group.

4. Randle — Too much of a proven commodity to really slip further than this. Been the only guy on UK I can see being an overly successful NBA player. (and Im beginning to wonder if the twins attitude and lack of footspeed will allow them to even get drafted….ever)

5. Exum — Most of his hype right now is about his natural traits, and the fact that he absolutely destroyed Andrew Harrison and kasey hill at the Hoop Summit. Neither of those two have proven to be spectacular players this year so im growing a bit weary. IMO hes a lock at 5 because of the unknown aspect hes got, but strong workouts that show PG ability and an improved jumpshot could get him above Julius.

6. Smart — Reminds me of Chanucey Billups att the 1 if he can get that jumper going. One of those guys who is an amazing leader, and defender but nothing more than solid at everything else (athleticism, shooting, passing, pg skills) Billups used his extremely high IQ, leadership, size, and them big shots to win championships and earn all-stars. Not saying Smart WILL get thos accolades, but he would have to attain them in a similar fashion to Chauncey to be most effective.

7. Dario Saric — Not sure if he’ll ever be a star, but I see a game that closely resembles Chandler Parsons or somebody like Wesley Johnson in his first year (lower end for Saric) but I can see a team falling in love with his experience, production at the highest levels, and an Athletic Euro can sell jerseys in a lot of markets (see Rudy Fernandez in Portland)

8/9 — I see this as a toss up between Noah Vonleh and Zona’s Gordon. I am not sold on Vonleh’s potential as im not sure he can smoothen up his moves or his jumper to be an offensive weapon. Too slow to ever fill the chris bosh comparisons and I don’t see the bball IQ than Bosh. I like his ability to be a solid four in both halfcourt and transition ala taj Gibson. Gordon is great, and He was lucky to find himself in a position that played to his strengths at Arizona. Hes doing what he will do in the league, and hes showing he can be good at it. If he went somewhere else he probably would have dove headfirst into this 3/4 tweener position he seems to view himself as, but he would have gotten exposed. I can see him doing very similar numbers his rookie year to what he is doing right now.

10 Doug McDermott — Dougie Buckets will get you exactly that, as well as a solid fundamental, iq oriented game. His role on Creighton makes it really hard to figure out his nba role. He could be Larry Bird lite, or Brian Scalabrine.

11 Nik Stauskas — Been really impressed with his off the dribble game and I feel he has as good a chance to be a star at HIS role in the league. I feel he could take that corner shooter role that guys like Korver have made careers out of, and add a lot of playmaking, sneaking athleticism, and good ball handling that some of those guys don’t have. Could be a third leading scorer on a contender if he can ever guard his position.

12 Tyler Ennis — A guy who is going to be solid as a rock for years to come and play WINNING basketball. Reminds me of Derrick Fisher with his clutch gene, and ability to play with other ball-dominant superstars. something you need out of your pg to fully maximize a talented roster.

13 Willie Caluy Stein — Im not to excited for his league Prospects, but someone will see the defence, energy, and athleticism and think Joakim Noah, without actually realizing that Noahs one of the best passers in the game. Just don’t see it myself, but someone else will for a lottery pick.

14/15 TJ warren or Hood. Great years for them both, but they have definite limitations to being stars. Warren could become a fringe allstar with his athleticms and aggressiveness if he gets on the right team, so I would probably take him before Hood.

[LindseyParticipant]

1. Wiggins — Imo the highest ceiling AND floor of the draft. At the very least his athleticism, defence, and attitude will make him one of the most valuable pieces on a contender.

2. Embiid — wouldn’t have an issue with either Kansas kids going 1-2. I just think that with embiid injured, and how I can forsee wiggins dominating the workouts, more teams will give him the nod.

3. Parker — Will always be a good scorer, and If he is brought into the right culture where he can grow and mature into an elite talent, then it’s not farfetch at all to believe that he MIGHT be the generational talent from this group.

4. Randle — Too much of a proven commodity to really slip further than this. Been the only guy on UK I can see being an overly successful NBA player. (and Im beginning to wonder if the twins attitude and lack of footspeed will allow them to even get drafted….ever)

5. Exum — Most of his hype right now is about his natural traits, and the fact that he absolutely destroyed Andrew Harrison and kasey hill at the Hoop Summit. Neither of those two have proven to be spectacular players this year so im growing a bit weary. IMO hes a lock at 5 because of the unknown aspect hes got, but strong workouts that show PG ability and an improved jumpshot could get him above Julius.

6. Smart — Reminds me of Chanucey Billups att the 1 if he can get that jumper going. One of those guys who is an amazing leader, and defender but nothing more than solid at everything else (athleticism, shooting, passing, pg skills) Billups used his extremely high IQ, leadership, size, and them big shots to win championships and earn all-stars. Not saying Smart WILL get thos accolades, but he would have to attain them in a similar fashion to Chauncey to be most effective.

7. Dario Saric — Not sure if he’ll ever be a star, but I see a game that closely resembles Chandler Parsons or somebody like Wesley Johnson in his first year (lower end for Saric) but I can see a team falling in love with his experience, production at the highest levels, and an Athletic Euro can sell jerseys in a lot of markets (see Rudy Fernandez in Portland)

8/9 — I see this as a toss up between Noah Vonleh and Zona’s Gordon. I am not sold on Vonleh’s potential as im not sure he can smoothen up his moves or his jumper to be an offensive weapon. Too slow to ever fill the chris bosh comparisons and I don’t see the bball IQ than Bosh. I like his ability to be a solid four in both halfcourt and transition ala taj Gibson. Gordon is great, and He was lucky to find himself in a position that played to his strengths at Arizona. Hes doing what he will do in the league, and hes showing he can be good at it. If he went somewhere else he probably would have dove headfirst into this 3/4 tweener position he seems to view himself as, but he would have gotten exposed. I can see him doing very similar numbers his rookie year to what he is doing right now.

10 Doug McDermott — Dougie Buckets will get you exactly that, as well as a solid fundamental, iq oriented game. His role on Creighton makes it really hard to figure out his nba role. He could be Larry Bird lite, or Brian Scalabrine.

11 Nik Stauskas — Been really impressed with his off the dribble game and I feel he has as good a chance to be a star at HIS role in the league. I feel he could take that corner shooter role that guys like Korver have made careers out of, and add a lot of playmaking, sneaking athleticism, and good ball handling that some of those guys don’t have. Could be a third leading scorer on a contender if he can ever guard his position.

12 Tyler Ennis — A guy who is going to be solid as a rock for years to come and play WINNING basketball. Reminds me of Derrick Fisher with his clutch gene, and ability to play with other ball-dominant superstars. something you need out of your pg to fully maximize a talented roster.

13 Willie Caluy Stein — Im not to excited for his league Prospects, but someone will see the defence, energy, and athleticism and think Joakim Noah, without actually realizing that Noahs one of the best passers in the game. Just don’t see it myself, but someone else will for a lottery pick.

14/15 TJ warren or Hood. Great years for them both, but they have definite limitations to being stars. Warren could become a fringe allstar with his athleticms and aggressiveness if he gets on the right team, so I would probably take him before Hood.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

I wouldn’t like to be a GM who would always get asked, "so why didn’t you draft Andrew Wiggins?"

Comparisons:

1.  Wiggins — early on, I compared Andrew Wiggins to Dr. J.  I will stick to that.  I am hearing and liking that Clyde Drexler comparison, too.  Great athlete, can score, he actually glides, and seems like a class act.  Not in that Jordan-Kobe-West league of the Mount Rushmore of all Time Great Shooting Guards with an Assassin’s mindset, but could get in that Dr. J/Glide league (nothing wrong with that).

2. Embiid — I don’t see the Hakeem physique.  Embiid actually looks more like Ralph Sampson to me.  Not as tall, but possibly just as long.  Seems solidly built, but wiry.  Not sure how much more weight he should put on.  Like Ralph Sampson, Joel Embiid can run the floor, dunk, block some shots, intimidate, and shoot a bit from the outside.  Ralph Sampson was derailed by injuries, so hopefully that doesn’t happen with Embiid, but his back troubles are a concern.  Sampson averaged 20 points, 10 boards, and 2 blocks a game with the Rockets over 5 seasons.  Those would be good UPSIDE targets for Joel Embiid. 

3. Jabari Parker — UPSIDE is a LOCKED IN Bernard King.  A guy with a power game on offense and shooting touch.  We just didn’t get enough of a GREAT Bernard King (due to injuries or whatever).  On the RIGHT TEAM, Parker could be an absolute old-school beast.  On the wrong team, he will look more like a borderline all-star than an MVP candidate.

4. Dante Exum — I want to see him against real competition.  I have just seen a few YouTube clips.  Exum is part of a group of guys in that "next tier" along with Randle and Marcus Smart.

5.  Marcus Smart — if the Lakers pick here, I think they need a guy to LEAD the team.  Smart is tough, and sometimes a hot head, but I think he can lead.  Should be able to sell tickets and give the Lakers some buzz.  A good athlete and a very good all-around player.  If Exum is off the board, I think the Lakers should go with Marcus Smart.  Smart-Kobe in the backcourt next year could either be awesome, or a disaster, but it would be interesting to watch no matter what.

6. Julius Randle — old school power forward.  My comparison for a while was a more athletic Z Bo.  I will stick to that.  Derrick Coleman is another name thrown around.  DC just seemed a bit bigger, a bit taller, a bit longer, a bit more versatile, and a bit more polished.  I was actually thinking that Hank Gathers could be a good comparison for Randle — just a beast at his position with scoring and rebounding, but curiously enough, I couldn’t find any college stats for Hank Gathers.  If anyone saw him play back in the day (either in person or on TV) it would be cool to hear you chime in to hear your thoughts.

Next group of guys (third tier): Aaron Gordon, Noah Vonleh, Rodney Hood, Doug McDermott

McDermott can shoot.  He can also score.  Unlike Adam Morrison, Dougie is a PURE SHOOTER.  Adam Morrison was more of a volume scorer.  Dougie also looks more composed.  Doug also has a bit more size/bulk so you can play him a bit at the 4.  This is a stretch four era, which should help Doug McDermott.

Haven’t really watched Noah Vonleh.  I see him in that tier of guys who can go anywhere from 6-7 to 10-12 or so. 

Rodney Hood is a good athlete and can hit 3’s.  He might be the guy we wanted Shawne Williams to be. 

Aaron Gordon needs to go to the right team so that he is a mismatch for the OTHER team instead of the other way around.  Active, athletic defenders with a high motor who can rebound and finish always have a place, especially in today’s league.  I might not take him at 4 or even at 6, but he shouldn’t still be on the table past the 10-12 range.  At worst, he looks like a guy who can anchor a second unit.

One guy I like is Shabazz Napier.  Tough, tough player who can flat out get it done.  Great shooter with great range and a ton of moves.  He can also drive and get to the basket.  He is leading a very solid UConn team who looks like my sleeper team for my brackets.  He is also a very good rebounder for his position, leading UConn in boards.  He would be an ideal combo guard off the bench, specializing in shooting and instant offense.  My Grizz could use him.  Might not go top 10, but should go in the top 20.  He could really help himself with a great tourney.  He’s one of the few guys outside of the top ten that I am excited about.  He’s basically a better shooting, rich man’s Jerryd Bayless who can go Steph Curry on you if he gets hot.

Willie Cauley-Stein and James McAdoo are also two guys with upside but question marks.  Both guys project as good sixth man types.

Looks like, aside from Wiggins/Parker/Embiid and then "next tier" guys like Smart, Exum, Randle (maybe Vonleh and Hood too), this draft looks like a great place to find your top-notch sixth man (Aaron Gordon, Dougie, Napier, WCS, McAdoo, etc.).  Rodney Hood is a guy who looks like he could be a solid fourth option in the Robert Horry mold (3 point shooter, and athlete with length), but the only true "fourth option" type guy in the draft.  Maybe Vonleh too, or Tyler McEnnis as a Mike Conley-esque point guard.

James Young and Wayne Selden are two BOOM/BUST guys who could go basically anywhere in the first round and either look like really good NBA players, or flameouts.  Ironically, both would project closer to super-sub 6th man types than all-star shooting guards.

In this draft, there is some point in the first round where you have to ask yourself, are all the guys we want already off the table?  If so, you have to think about trading down into the second round for a couple of Philly’s picks (plus cash).  Then find a couple of guys who you can fit into your rotation.  You are asking yourself, is it worth the extra money (and one fewer draft pick) to get Montrezl Harrell as opposed to Patric Young?  Would you rather have Patric Young in the 45-55 range (plus an extra second round pick and cash) or Montrezl Harrell at 20-25?  I would think about taking Patric Young plus the extra party favors.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

I wouldn’t like to be a GM who would always get asked, "so why didn’t you draft Andrew Wiggins?"

Comparisons:

1.  Wiggins — early on, I compared Andrew Wiggins to Dr. J.  I will stick to that.  I am hearing and liking that Clyde Drexler comparison, too.  Great athlete, can score, he actually glides, and seems like a class act.  Not in that Jordan-Kobe-West league of the Mount Rushmore of all Time Great Shooting Guards with an Assassin’s mindset, but could get in that Dr. J/Glide league (nothing wrong with that).

2. Embiid — I don’t see the Hakeem physique.  Embiid actually looks more like Ralph Sampson to me.  Not as tall, but possibly just as long.  Seems solidly built, but wiry.  Not sure how much more weight he should put on.  Like Ralph Sampson, Joel Embiid can run the floor, dunk, block some shots, intimidate, and shoot a bit from the outside.  Ralph Sampson was derailed by injuries, so hopefully that doesn’t happen with Embiid, but his back troubles are a concern.  Sampson averaged 20 points, 10 boards, and 2 blocks a game with the Rockets over 5 seasons.  Those would be good UPSIDE targets for Joel Embiid. 

3. Jabari Parker — UPSIDE is a LOCKED IN Bernard King.  A guy with a power game on offense and shooting touch.  We just didn’t get enough of a GREAT Bernard King (due to injuries or whatever).  On the RIGHT TEAM, Parker could be an absolute old-school beast.  On the wrong team, he will look more like a borderline all-star than an MVP candidate.

4. Dante Exum — I want to see him against real competition.  I have just seen a few YouTube clips.  Exum is part of a group of guys in that "next tier" along with Randle and Marcus Smart.

5.  Marcus Smart — if the Lakers pick here, I think they need a guy to LEAD the team.  Smart is tough, and sometimes a hot head, but I think he can lead.  Should be able to sell tickets and give the Lakers some buzz.  A good athlete and a very good all-around player.  If Exum is off the board, I think the Lakers should go with Marcus Smart.  Smart-Kobe in the backcourt next year could either be awesome, or a disaster, but it would be interesting to watch no matter what.

6. Julius Randle — old school power forward.  My comparison for a while was a more athletic Z Bo.  I will stick to that.  Derrick Coleman is another name thrown around.  DC just seemed a bit bigger, a bit taller, a bit longer, a bit more versatile, and a bit more polished.  I was actually thinking that Hank Gathers could be a good comparison for Randle — just a beast at his position with scoring and rebounding, but curiously enough, I couldn’t find any college stats for Hank Gathers.  If anyone saw him play back in the day (either in person or on TV) it would be cool to hear you chime in to hear your thoughts.

Next group of guys (third tier): Aaron Gordon, Noah Vonleh, Rodney Hood, Doug McDermott

McDermott can shoot.  He can also score.  Unlike Adam Morrison, Dougie is a PURE SHOOTER.  Adam Morrison was more of a volume scorer.  Dougie also looks more composed.  Doug also has a bit more size/bulk so you can play him a bit at the 4.  This is a stretch four era, which should help Doug McDermott.

Haven’t really watched Noah Vonleh.  I see him in that tier of guys who can go anywhere from 6-7 to 10-12 or so. 

Rodney Hood is a good athlete and can hit 3’s.  He might be the guy we wanted Shawne Williams to be. 

Aaron Gordon needs to go to the right team so that he is a mismatch for the OTHER team instead of the other way around.  Active, athletic defenders with a high motor who can rebound and finish always have a place, especially in today’s league.  I might not take him at 4 or even at 6, but he shouldn’t still be on the table past the 10-12 range.  At worst, he looks like a guy who can anchor a second unit.

One guy I like is Shabazz Napier.  Tough, tough player who can flat out get it done.  Great shooter with great range and a ton of moves.  He can also drive and get to the basket.  He is leading a very solid UConn team who looks like my sleeper team for my brackets.  He is also a very good rebounder for his position, leading UConn in boards.  He would be an ideal combo guard off the bench, specializing in shooting and instant offense.  My Grizz could use him.  Might not go top 10, but should go in the top 20.  He could really help himself with a great tourney.  He’s one of the few guys outside of the top ten that I am excited about.  He’s basically a better shooting, rich man’s Jerryd Bayless who can go Steph Curry on you if he gets hot.

Willie Cauley-Stein and James McAdoo are also two guys with upside but question marks.  Both guys project as good sixth man types.

Looks like, aside from Wiggins/Parker/Embiid and then "next tier" guys like Smart, Exum, Randle (maybe Vonleh and Hood too), this draft looks like a great place to find your top-notch sixth man (Aaron Gordon, Dougie, Napier, WCS, McAdoo, etc.).  Rodney Hood is a guy who looks like he could be a solid fourth option in the Robert Horry mold (3 point shooter, and athlete with length), but the only true "fourth option" type guy in the draft.  Maybe Vonleh too, or Tyler McEnnis as a Mike Conley-esque point guard.

James Young and Wayne Selden are two BOOM/BUST guys who could go basically anywhere in the first round and either look like really good NBA players, or flameouts.  Ironically, both would project closer to super-sub 6th man types than all-star shooting guards.

In this draft, there is some point in the first round where you have to ask yourself, are all the guys we want already off the table?  If so, you have to think about trading down into the second round for a couple of Philly’s picks (plus cash).  Then find a couple of guys who you can fit into your rotation.  You are asking yourself, is it worth the extra money (and one fewer draft pick) to get Montrezl Harrell as opposed to Patric Young?  Would you rather have Patric Young in the 45-55 range (plus an extra second round pick and cash) or Montrezl Harrell at 20-25?  I would think about taking Patric Young plus the extra party favors.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 James Young is a frustating prospect to evaluate. he has the tools to be a real good 2 guard, and shown flashes this year of his potential , but his bball IQ isnt the highest which causes alot of simple mistakes. he can be a good defender, he jus doesnt put the effort consistently on that end of the floor. 

Wiggins is flashing his immense potential down the stretch and showing scouts he has what it takes to take over a game. he’s finally asserting himself and being agressive. he should be the #1 overall pick.

Randle is a no show on defense and strictly an offensive player. his length is a problem and theres question marks on how good he can be shooting over long an NBA front court. 

Tyler ennis is overrated. i’ve seen mocks that have him in the top 10, thats simply too high for him. he doesnt have the tools to be a top PG. i love his poise and how he’s managing the game,but he’s an average athlete,not quick or fast, and not that good of a shooter. he has a low NBA ceiling. he’s worthy of a 1st round pick, jus not top 10.

those are jus my takes on a few players in this draft.

heres my top 10 :

1. Wiggins

2. Embiid

3. Parker

4. Dante Exum ( i never seen him play, jus going strictly off his tools and the hype)

5. Noah Vonleh

6. Randle

7. Smart

8. Zach Lavine.( love his tools and upside,even if his stock seems to be slipping,which has to do more with his team and not having the oppurtunities than bad play)

9. Gary Harris

10.  Doug McDermott  ( truly a lights out shooter)

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 James Young is a frustating prospect to evaluate. he has the tools to be a real good 2 guard, and shown flashes this year of his potential , but his bball IQ isnt the highest which causes alot of simple mistakes. he can be a good defender, he jus doesnt put the effort consistently on that end of the floor. 

Wiggins is flashing his immense potential down the stretch and showing scouts he has what it takes to take over a game. he’s finally asserting himself and being agressive. he should be the #1 overall pick.

Randle is a no show on defense and strictly an offensive player. his length is a problem and theres question marks on how good he can be shooting over long an NBA front court. 

Tyler ennis is overrated. i’ve seen mocks that have him in the top 10, thats simply too high for him. he doesnt have the tools to be a top PG. i love his poise and how he’s managing the game,but he’s an average athlete,not quick or fast, and not that good of a shooter. he has a low NBA ceiling. he’s worthy of a 1st round pick, jus not top 10.

those are jus my takes on a few players in this draft.

heres my top 10 :

1. Wiggins

2. Embiid

3. Parker

4. Dante Exum ( i never seen him play, jus going strictly off his tools and the hype)

5. Noah Vonleh

6. Randle

7. Smart

8. Zach Lavine.( love his tools and upside,even if his stock seems to be slipping,which has to do more with his team and not having the oppurtunities than bad play)

9. Gary Harris

10.  Doug McDermott  ( truly a lights out shooter)

[bobforteParticipant]

 haha my top five are in different order than everyone elses.  Quick rundown because I like to do this right before the draft not before March madness.

1. Embiid-I know this has been debated at length but I see "dream" like footwork.  As long as his back is fine I would take him number 1.  I do think he would benefit from another year in college but I think he will be the best player.

2. Exum- I compare him to Penny Hardaway.  Explosive can shoot, drive do it all type of player.  Could play one or two.  

3. Parker- Pierce/Melo hybird.  Scorer and I think can translate to a superstar if put into the right situation.

4. Wiggins- Everyone else so far has him one. I like him, I think he will be a good player but I think he is more of a glue guy or a #2 option.  He will be a great defender and a solid scorer.  Someone posted a dr j comparison which i see but I also see Rudy Gay but not as selfish.  I think he will can be an allstar but I have questions if he is selfish enough.  

5.  Randle- Foot speed and defence will be a problem at the next level.  But he has al jefferson like low post moves.  Strong and works hard inside.  Can see him in that 20 and 10 range.  

 

[bobforteParticipant]

 haha my top five are in different order than everyone elses.  Quick rundown because I like to do this right before the draft not before March madness.

1. Embiid-I know this has been debated at length but I see "dream" like footwork.  As long as his back is fine I would take him number 1.  I do think he would benefit from another year in college but I think he will be the best player.

2. Exum- I compare him to Penny Hardaway.  Explosive can shoot, drive do it all type of player.  Could play one or two.  

3. Parker- Pierce/Melo hybird.  Scorer and I think can translate to a superstar if put into the right situation.

4. Wiggins- Everyone else so far has him one. I like him, I think he will be a good player but I think he is more of a glue guy or a #2 option.  He will be a great defender and a solid scorer.  Someone posted a dr j comparison which i see but I also see Rudy Gay but not as selfish.  I think he will can be an allstar but I have questions if he is selfish enough.  

5.  Randle- Foot speed and defence will be a problem at the next level.  But he has al jefferson like low post moves.  Strong and works hard inside.  Can see him in that 20 and 10 range.  

 

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