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  • #23597
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    Ghost01
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    Like QBs in Football, it seems like in the NBA every one whose anyone has a good Point Guard Now. Heres the Breakdown:

    The Two Top Dawgs:

    1a. Deron Willaims

    1b. CP3

    Unquestionably, they have both been around for 5+ seasons now and dominate every aspect of the PG position.

    The Newcomers on the rise

    3a Derrick Rose

    3b Rajon Rondo

    3c Russ Westbrook

    Each doing it there own way, these 3 all busted on the season as stars in the 08-09 season, and now they are all top 5 PGs in the NBA.

    Over the Hill, but still effective

    6. Steve Nash

    He still scores and assists at a high rate. Has never been a good defender but showed last year in the postseason he’s still got it.

    Underrated Veteran

    7. Tony Parker

    This guy still has it, he may not have Eva anymore but he still gets it done and has the Spurs as the best team in the NBA to this point.

    Too young to be any higher

    8a. Brandon Jennings

    8b. Steph Curry

    8c. John Wall

    Jennings is inconsistant, but can still light up any scoreboard and catch fire unlike any PG in the league (cite his last 3 games) he is an underrated defender too as Milwaukee is an elite defensive team. Curry is an absolute scorer, just needs to take more of passive ballhandling role before hes any higher. Wall will get there but is still too turnover prown and needs to work on his jumper.

    The 2nd half of the top 20:

    11. Jason kidd

    12. Devin Harris

    13. Andre Miller

    14. Raymond Felton

    15. Jameer Nelson

    16a. Chauncey Billups

    16b. Ty Lawson

    18. Jrue Holiday

    19. Mike Conley

    20. Jose Calderon

    I did not include Tyreke Evans. This guy is a scorer. I have no idea why Sac town thinks hes a PG. Hes an okay passer for a 2 guard but hes is NOT a PG.

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  • #447796
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    Westfall already said that he does not consider Evans a PG.  He said it is irrelevant what he is considered because he produces offensively and can guard both guard spots.

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  • #447800
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    cabbycab
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    Westfall already said that he does not consider Evans a PG.  He said it is irrelevant what he is considered because he produces offensively and can guard both guard spots.

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  • #447813
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    cabbycab
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    Westfall already said that he does not consider Evans a PG.  He said it is irrelevant what he is considered because he produces offensively and can guard both guard spots.

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  • #447820
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    RickyRubio9
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     Aaron Brooks can’t get no love?

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  • #447824
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    RickyRubio9
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     Aaron Brooks can’t get no love?

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  • #447835
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    RickyRubio9
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     Aaron Brooks can’t get no love?

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  • #447842
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    stanford hoops

    i agree with that list with rose and westbrook and rondo nipping at CP3 and Dwill’s heels

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  • #447846
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    stanford hoops

    i agree with that list with rose and westbrook and rondo nipping at CP3 and Dwill’s heels

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  • #447856
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    stanford hoops

    i agree with that list with rose and westbrook and rondo nipping at CP3 and Dwill’s heels

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  • #447858
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    Ghost01
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    Probably deserves to be in here. My other omission is Darren Collison, who i would surely take over the last 3 games.

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  • #447860
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    Ghost01
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    Probably deserves to be in here. My other omission is Darren Collison, who i would surely take over the last 3 games.

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  • #447871
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    Ghost01
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    Probably deserves to be in here. My other omission is Darren Collison, who i would surely take over the last 3 games.

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  • #447863
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    rhofern
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    Andre Miller ahead of Raymond Felton??????? as of your list felton should be placed in between nash and parker. he is a beast this year and is on the way to leading the knicks to the playoffs. I know parker’s spurs have the best record but he has more talent around him and george hill taking his minutes. His numbers also dont compare to feltons. and really andre miller? tell me how hes better than felton? and im not a biased knick fan

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  • #447866
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    Andre Miller ahead of Raymond Felton??????? as of your list felton should be placed in between nash and parker. he is a beast this year and is on the way to leading the knicks to the playoffs. I know parker’s spurs have the best record but he has more talent around him and george hill taking his minutes. His numbers also dont compare to feltons. and really andre miller? tell me how hes better than felton? and im not a biased knick fan

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  • #447875
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    rhofern
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    Andre Miller ahead of Raymond Felton??????? as of your list felton should be placed in between nash and parker. he is a beast this year and is on the way to leading the knicks to the playoffs. I know parker’s spurs have the best record but he has more talent around him and george hill taking his minutes. His numbers also dont compare to feltons. and really andre miller? tell me how hes better than felton? and im not a biased knick fan

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  • #447870
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    Jason Kidd should be over the hill but still effective. the guy is still a walking triple double nightmare. he may not put up the high scoring numbers of a steve nash but he puts up nearly the same ast numbers while stuffing the stat sheet. knockdown spot up shooter, terrific rebounder, still one of the most aware 2-way guards, and can still make the ball glow like no other. AT 38 YEARS OLD!!!

    Also agreed where is the aaron brooks love. calderon but no brooks. Jose is a good steady pg, but hes no starter. great change of pace guard, but he cant cause apposing teams problems the way brooks can. gotta think lawson shouldnt be on this list if brooks, collison, augustin or even toney douglas.

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  • #447872
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    Jason Kidd should be over the hill but still effective. the guy is still a walking triple double nightmare. he may not put up the high scoring numbers of a steve nash but he puts up nearly the same ast numbers while stuffing the stat sheet. knockdown spot up shooter, terrific rebounder, still one of the most aware 2-way guards, and can still make the ball glow like no other. AT 38 YEARS OLD!!!

    Also agreed where is the aaron brooks love. calderon but no brooks. Jose is a good steady pg, but hes no starter. great change of pace guard, but he cant cause apposing teams problems the way brooks can. gotta think lawson shouldnt be on this list if brooks, collison, augustin or even toney douglas.

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  • #447881
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    iguapops420
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    Jason Kidd should be over the hill but still effective. the guy is still a walking triple double nightmare. he may not put up the high scoring numbers of a steve nash but he puts up nearly the same ast numbers while stuffing the stat sheet. knockdown spot up shooter, terrific rebounder, still one of the most aware 2-way guards, and can still make the ball glow like no other. AT 38 YEARS OLD!!!

    Also agreed where is the aaron brooks love. calderon but no brooks. Jose is a good steady pg, but hes no starter. great change of pace guard, but he cant cause apposing teams problems the way brooks can. gotta think lawson shouldnt be on this list if brooks, collison, augustin or even toney douglas.

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  • #447876
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    stanford hoops

    Raymond felton is not on tony parkers level come on now. felton is playing well is a run and gun style offense and deserves credit for what hes doing but he is not as good as parker or nash and im willing to bet the knicks would trade felton for parker and even the older nash in a heart beat

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  • #447878
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    stanford hoops

    Raymond felton is not on tony parkers level come on now. felton is playing well is a run and gun style offense and deserves credit for what hes doing but he is not as good as parker or nash and im willing to bet the knicks would trade felton for parker and even the older nash in a heart beat

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  • #447888
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    Raymond felton is not on tony parkers level come on now. felton is playing well is a run and gun style offense and deserves credit for what hes doing but he is not as good as parker or nash and im willing to bet the knicks would trade felton for parker and even the older nash in a heart beat

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  • #447879
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    iguapops420
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     ^^^dig the felton hype. will never live up to cp3 or dwill, but hes doing his best to prove he belongs.

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  • #447882
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    iguapops420
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     ^^^dig the felton hype. will never live up to cp3 or dwill, but hes doing his best to prove he belongs.

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  • #447891
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    iguapops420
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     ^^^dig the felton hype. will never live up to cp3 or dwill, but hes doing his best to prove he belongs.

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  • #447924
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    rhofern
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    obviously the knicks would take nash but idk bout parker right now felton will never be at cp3s level but he should be in all star consideration. But how is parker much much better than felton? He isnt a better 3 point shooter as felton has improved dramitacally on his threes. parker is scoring less and is dishing less. he gets less steals. not a major difference in chemistry and meshing with the team. parker is faster and a little more efficient. yet feltons true shooting % is higher as well as a higher assist ratio. with a similar per and although the spurs record is better. tell me how parker is the better point guard???

    And dont forget about andre miller. how is andre miller better than raymond felton?

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  • #447928
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    rhofern
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    obviously the knicks would take nash but idk bout parker right now felton will never be at cp3s level but he should be in all star consideration. But how is parker much much better than felton? He isnt a better 3 point shooter as felton has improved dramitacally on his threes. parker is scoring less and is dishing less. he gets less steals. not a major difference in chemistry and meshing with the team. parker is faster and a little more efficient. yet feltons true shooting % is higher as well as a higher assist ratio. with a similar per and although the spurs record is better. tell me how parker is the better point guard???

    And dont forget about andre miller. how is andre miller better than raymond felton?

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  • #447935
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    rhofern
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    obviously the knicks would take nash but idk bout parker right now felton will never be at cp3s level but he should be in all star consideration. But how is parker much much better than felton? He isnt a better 3 point shooter as felton has improved dramitacally on his threes. parker is scoring less and is dishing less. he gets less steals. not a major difference in chemistry and meshing with the team. parker is faster and a little more efficient. yet feltons true shooting % is higher as well as a higher assist ratio. with a similar per and although the spurs record is better. tell me how parker is the better point guard???

    And dont forget about andre miller. how is andre miller better than raymond felton?

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  • #447936
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    stanford hoops

    why wouldnt they take parker over felton?..i wonder what parker would do in a offensive team like the knicks without sharing with ginobli hmmm. Felton is not on parkers level

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  • #447940
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    stanford hoops

    why wouldnt they take parker over felton?..i wonder what parker would do in a offensive team like the knicks without sharing with ginobli hmmm. Felton is not on parkers level

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  • #447947
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    stanford hoops

    why wouldnt they take parker over felton?..i wonder what parker would do in a offensive team like the knicks without sharing with ginobli hmmm. Felton is not on parkers level

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  • #447951
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    mbunner23
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    It looks good. But I think Billups should be higher. I know that he is getting older but he still a very good point guard.  

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  • #447955
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    mbunner23
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    It looks good. But I think Billups should be higher. I know that he is getting older but he still a very good point guard.  

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  • #447962
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    mbunner23
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    It looks good. But I think Billups should be higher. I know that he is getting older but he still a very good point guard.  

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  • #447957
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    Ghost01
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    Chris Duhon was effective in that Knick offense. Felton has always been mediocre at best, no different now.

    Kidd is steady even at an old age. However, putting him in the top 10 at this point is a joke. Hes not an offensive threat to score and a liability on defense.

    Ive addressed Brooks already so some of you need to read more than the OP before you write 3 paragraphs about a mediocre PG.

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  • #447961
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    Ghost01
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    Chris Duhon was effective in that Knick offense. Felton has always been mediocre at best, no different now.

    Kidd is steady even at an old age. However, putting him in the top 10 at this point is a joke. Hes not an offensive threat to score and a liability on defense.

    Ive addressed Brooks already so some of you need to read more than the OP before you write 3 paragraphs about a mediocre PG.

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  • #447969
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    Ghost01
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    Chris Duhon was effective in that Knick offense. Felton has always been mediocre at best, no different now.

    Kidd is steady even at an old age. However, putting him in the top 10 at this point is a joke. Hes not an offensive threat to score and a liability on defense.

    Ive addressed Brooks already so some of you need to read more than the OP before you write 3 paragraphs about a mediocre PG.

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  • #447971
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    Ghost01
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    Have you watched Billups ball this year? He has fallen off. Next year i dont even expect him to be a starter in the NBA. He cant do anything right and has never been a good creator from the beginning.

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  • #447976
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    Have you watched Billups ball this year? He has fallen off. Next year i dont even expect him to be a starter in the NBA. He cant do anything right and has never been a good creator from the beginning.

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  • #447984
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    Ghost01
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    Have you watched Billups ball this year? He has fallen off. Next year i dont even expect him to be a starter in the NBA. He cant do anything right and has never been a good creator from the beginning.

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  • #447977
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    rhofern
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    chris duhon was the worst player in the league in new york averaging under 40 fg% and 30 3pt%. everyone in new york wanted him gone. look at feltons numbers and regardless of the system he plays in and tell me he hasnt improved. no one can say that he is playing at an all star level. and if i agreed with everything ure saying i still wudnt put andre miller ahead of felton

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  • #447982
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    rhofern
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    chris duhon was the worst player in the league in new york averaging under 40 fg% and 30 3pt%. everyone in new york wanted him gone. look at feltons numbers and regardless of the system he plays in and tell me he hasnt improved. no one can say that he is playing at an all star level. and if i agreed with everything ure saying i still wudnt put andre miller ahead of felton

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  • #447989
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    rhofern
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    chris duhon was the worst player in the league in new york averaging under 40 fg% and 30 3pt%. everyone in new york wanted him gone. look at feltons numbers and regardless of the system he plays in and tell me he hasnt improved. no one can say that he is playing at an all star level. and if i agreed with everything ure saying i still wudnt put andre miller ahead of felton

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  • #447980
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    I honestly think that derrick rose deserves to be ranked 1c instead of 3a.  I have him right up there with paul and williams.  Rose is averaging 26.6 points a game(should lower a little when boozer gets into the offense) and is good for more than 8 assists (this stat shud rise when boozer comes back).  I honestly think that the top scoring point in the nba shud be considered a 1st option. 

    Billups needs more love, hes probably at least 14 or 13th best option.

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  • #447985
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    I honestly think that derrick rose deserves to be ranked 1c instead of 3a.  I have him right up there with paul and williams.  Rose is averaging 26.6 points a game(should lower a little when boozer gets into the offense) and is good for more than 8 assists (this stat shud rise when boozer comes back).  I honestly think that the top scoring point in the nba shud be considered a 1st option. 

    Billups needs more love, hes probably at least 14 or 13th best option.

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  • #447993
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    I honestly think that derrick rose deserves to be ranked 1c instead of 3a.  I have him right up there with paul and williams.  Rose is averaging 26.6 points a game(should lower a little when boozer gets into the offense) and is good for more than 8 assists (this stat shud rise when boozer comes back).  I honestly think that the top scoring point in the nba shud be considered a 1st option. 

    Billups needs more love, hes probably at least 14 or 13th best option.

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  • #448000
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    In My opinion, Rose is up there. But stupid people would call me "bias" and "lieing" to do that. I have watched all his game this year, i agree with you, he is that good.

     

    As far as Felton goes, im not going to argue some guy 12th or 11th. I dont care. I should have put him a spot higher, happy?

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  • #448008
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    In My opinion, Rose is up there. But stupid people would call me "bias" and "lieing" to do that. I have watched all his game this year, i agree with you, he is that good.

     

    As far as Felton goes, im not going to argue some guy 12th or 11th. I dont care. I should have put him a spot higher, happy?

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  • #447995
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    In My opinion, Rose is up there. But stupid people would call me "bias" and "lieing" to do that. I have watched all his game this year, i agree with you, he is that good.

     

    As far as Felton goes, im not going to argue some guy 12th or 11th. I dont care. I should have put him a spot higher, happy?

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  • #448023
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    Ty Lawson doesn’t even start… How’s he ranked higher than Darren Collison?

    I’d take Brandon Jennings, Steph Curry and John Wall over Jason Kidd heading forward, but are they really better point guards than Kidd is right now? 

    I think Devin Harris is still a top ten point guard when healthy.

    I think Jameer Nelson proved during the playoffs last season who’s better between he and Raymond Felton.

    And Aaron Brooks is better than Jose Calderon. Before Jarett Jack was traded, Calderon wasn’t even the best point guard on his team.

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  • #448028
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    Ty Lawson doesn’t even start… How’s he ranked higher than Darren Collison?

    I’d take Brandon Jennings, Steph Curry and John Wall over Jason Kidd heading forward, but are they really better point guards than Kidd is right now? 

    I think Devin Harris is still a top ten point guard when healthy.

    I think Jameer Nelson proved during the playoffs last season who’s better between he and Raymond Felton.

    And Aaron Brooks is better than Jose Calderon. Before Jarett Jack was traded, Calderon wasn’t even the best point guard on his team.

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  • #448034
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    Ty Lawson doesn’t even start… How’s he ranked higher than Darren Collison?

    I’d take Brandon Jennings, Steph Curry and John Wall over Jason Kidd heading forward, but are they really better point guards than Kidd is right now? 

    I think Devin Harris is still a top ten point guard when healthy.

    I think Jameer Nelson proved during the playoffs last season who’s better between he and Raymond Felton.

    And Aaron Brooks is better than Jose Calderon. Before Jarett Jack was traded, Calderon wasn’t even the best point guard on his team.

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