[princejamesParticipant]

OJ Mayo Showing Underrated Athleticism And Dynamic Finishing Ability:

Which are the things he needs to do more and continue to improve upon to reach his full potential with-in his offensive capabilities:

• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=429tquYdGGg
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSY5m1DnbgM
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTFgwfAcgS4&NR=1&feature=fvwp
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR_23O06oCs
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_-aYjMa8hc
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXhiJlAy60Q
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=034y_ESbCao
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67mea-b5AGs
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeIZnYuA_8Y
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFMOOZaffbo
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bdOnNXTtb4

 

Also I want give a shout out to the best below the rim finishers I’ve seen play in the NBA:

Rod Strickland, Isiah thomas(detroit point guard), Tim Hardaway, Allen Iverson, Stephon Marbury, Kenny Anderson, Monte Ellis, Kyrie Irving, Tony Parker, Derrick Rose, Kemba Walker, Russell Wesbrook, Dwayne Wade, etc

 

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

Some of those guys you listed as below the rim finishers, are above the rim finishers. 

[SiggyParticipant]

 Sure he needs to finish better, but how do you suppose he accomplish this?  It’s early in the season, but he’s actually attacking less and finishing at a lower rate than last yr.  

[princejamesParticipant]

I was just trying to show everybody that OJ does have the athleticism and skill set to potentially be a high level finisher. OJ just needs to make the commitment to maximizing that part of his game. And I’m sure he will, because OJ already knows that becoming a more efficient finisher around the rim is something he needs to work on to become a more complete and even better offensive player

[SiggyParticipant]

 I agree that he needs to attack more to become a more diverse offensive threat, but his problem is that he lacks a good first step.  Wanting him to finish better at the rim is fine, but I think it’s getting there that’s the problem.

[princejamesParticipant]

OJ is fast, quick, strong, and agile. He just fast, quick, strong, and agile when he wants and needs to be.

Similar to Mike Beasley, who some people think is not very athletic, when the truth is that he can jump just as high as blake griffen. He just jumps very high when he wants and needs to.

[SiggyParticipant]

No. Mayo’s biggest problem from a scoring standpoint in the NBA has been his lack of first step.  That’s why he doesn’t attack as much as he does and that’s why he settles for so many contested jumpers.  Mayo has constistently hovered b/t 80-85% of his offense being jumpers and that’s because he can’t just lower his head and get a first step and maintain his advantage vs defenders.

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Digging into his high school crates for some of those. I remember watching his high school highlights with Patrick Patterson on his team and thought OJ was going to be much more explosive than he has been, I thought he’d be like Wade in that sense, but I still have high hopes for him in Dallas as an all around player and scorer.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 Oh, my fault. I know what you meant now. Some of the guys can really throw it down, but are just as adapt for a great layup.

[princejamesParticipant]

In my opinion the best below the rim finsher in the NBA is:

Tyreke Evans ( The young  man finishes everything around the rim and in spectacular fashion )

For Example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXaGn_tpTqw

Tyreke amazes me sometime because he looks like and play so much like one of my favorite old school legends Michael Ray "SUGAR" Richardson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCQ0EXj6AmY

And to keep it real, I think the kings need to let tyreke go back to playing the point guard position. Which I think is his best position, because he obviously needs the ball in his hands alot, where the offense can run through him, where he can dictate the pace of the game, and utilize his great creativity and playmaking instincs to break down the defense, wreak havoc in the lane through dribble penatration, where he can consistently create easy offensive opportunities for himself and his teammates. Similar to what Rajon Rondo does now, and similar to what Rod Stickland, and Jason Kidd Used to do.Who all three also are average shooters from the perimeter like tyreke. But because you can’t stop them from getting to where they want to go on the basketball court. Their still able to be high level offensive creators for themselves and teammates.

[SiggyParticipant]

Sounds like a great idea for Tyreke, but not for the Kings.  Tyreke doesn’t make anyone else better when he’s allowed to dominate the ball.  The Kings’ coaching staff (2 regimes) noticed that, which is why they moved him more off the ball. The only reason why they should put the ball back in his hands in a primary ball-handling capacity is to hopefully boost his trade value.

[princejamesParticipant]

What you see with the kings handling of Tyreke is just bad coaching on their part. Which is why the kings suck. One of the first rules of good coaching is to utilize your players in ways that allow them to contribute at a high level, and that helps the team play at a high level. I see tyreke as a baby penny hardaway who needs to just improve his shooting consistency. That’s my vision for tyreke. In his rookie year he averaged 20 points, 5 assist, and 5 rebounds. And looked like a future superstar. With no one being able to defend him because of his dynamic ball handling ability and great scoring instincs. Now as a coaching staff your goal should be to help him grow from his great  rookie year into a better player, instead he’s gotten worser. If I was coaching tyreke, I would challenge him to become more efficient in his decision making, and allow him to continue to play the point guard position with the goal of helping him become more dynamic as creator of offense for himself and teammates. By challenging him to stay in attack mode with goal of consistently looking to create great offensive opportunities for himself and his teammates. Similar to how penny hardaway played. Who would consistently average 21 points and 8 assist, while using great decision making habits while playing the point guard position for the orlando magic.

Also coach Calipari realised the same thing for tyreke when he played at memphis and moved tyreke to the point guard position. With the common sence understanding that tyreke would have more success playing the point guard position because of the unique skill set that tyreke posesses. Trust me tyreke will have way more success playing the point guard position. And I would love to see a future great backcourt of OJ Mayo And Tyreke Evans In Dallas.

Yeah Buddy!!!!!!

[SiggyParticipant]

 They did try to help him grow and become a more complete player… by moving him off the ball.  I do agree that their coaching has sucked, but I do agree with them moving him off the ball.  They weren’t moving forward with him on the ball.  Like I said, he didn’t make anyone better.  He’s not Penny Hardaway.  He doesn’t have that playmaking ability.  He can’t impact the game from all over the floor like Penny who could play on the perimeter, in the post or off the ball (which he HAD to do playing with Shaq).  Tyreke can only be as effective as he was as a rookie if he’s given the freedom on the court to do whatever he wanted to do.  But when he does that he bogs down the offense,  ball and player movement is reduced to a minimum and the other players on the court end up just standing around watching him and waiting for a bailout pass.  

The goal as a coaching staff is to put his team in a better postion to win ballgames and they weren’t going anywhere with Tyreke dominating the ball.  He was good enough to get away with his style of play in college in HS but not at the NBA level.  Sometimes individual productivity on bad teams is just that.  It didn’t result in more wins and it didn’t result in the team improving as a whole.  He’s not a versatile enough scorer and again, he’s not a good enough playmaker.  Defenses can play him the same way every time.  Shade his right hand, bring the help and force him to be a playmaker or jump shooter.  Even on PnR, opposing defenses don’t have to change their coverages.  Show hard on his right hand and go under all screens.  When a defense can just play off of a primary ball-handler and goad him into taking jumpers that he’ll likely clank, what that forces is dribbling, dribbling and more dribbling.  He’s not gonna pick a defense apart with his passing so it just ends up being a fruitless proposition, unless you’re Tyreke.

[princejamesParticipant]

My argument was based on his ability to improve, get better, and work on turning his weaknesses in to strengths. As a coach, I think it’s unfair for a young player’s development to worry about what he can’t do. Where you should be worrying about what a young developing player needs to work on to get better. That’s what truly seperates a good coach from a great coach. Which is a coaches ability to teach the game of basketbal and maximize the overall development of a player abilities

My Definition A Great Coach 

• Most top-class sports people and serious exercisers have a coach or instructor to help them improve their performance and reach their full potential. Good coaches act as motivators and teachers. Ideally, they should be able to convey both theoretical understanding and practical instruction, and they should be sympathetic to the requirements and needs of those they coach.
   

Obviously tyreke is not getting the needed coaching that supports his growth into a better basketball player

And remember siggy great players are not born into this world, they develop into great players through the knowledge they gain and utilize

In my personal opinion tyreke has the skills and tools to develop into a great point guard. He just needs the needed time and experience to work on developing the needed qualities that will allow him to play the point guard position at a high level.

And thus Siggy, my nbadraft.net rival (LOL!). We can agree to disagree. Peace and love live life Mr. I think I Know Everything AKA Siggy. HA HA HA!

 

[SiggyParticipant]

It’s not just about a player’s weaknesses and strengths, the coaches duty is to find how a player’s strengths and weaknesses fit within the context of the team.  If you’re solely focused on Tyreke and his individual success, then yes, you would put the ball in his hands.  But if you’re concerned about the rest of the team’s performance, you wouldn’t allow him to be as ball-dominant as he was as a rookie.  

Removing him as the primary ball-handler doesn’t mean that they’re completely neutering him.  He can still get the ball in transition or off the rim and go.  He can still slash from the wings off of ball reversal. He can still slash to the cup off of curls. He can still run PnR.  What he isn’t now is the primary ball-handler AND decision maker, which is good because he is not a good decision maker, is not a good distributor, doesn’t orchestrate an offense well, is not a versatile scorer and, as has already been mentioned, is not a good playmaker.  Furthermore, he has made very little headway in those areas because quite frankly, he’s just not a very smart basketball player.

You’re either a fan or someone who believes Tyreke can duplicate and imrpove upon the numbers he got as a rookie on a better team with the different personnel.  I don’t.  IMO, he’s not a player that an offense can be built around becasue he is such a flawed player.  You say that he’s a great finisher. I agree.  Offensively, what else does he do well? Not much at all. The Steve Francis comparison that was brought up in tehi thread is very apt.  Teams just don’t win anything of note with guys like that at the helm. 

[princejamesParticipant]

Is he a flawed player

OR

Is he being used incorrectly by the coaching staff of the kings

We have to just wait and see Siggy next year . Based on how the new team tyreke plays for uses him.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 I actually think Rondo is likely in the top 3 in finishing around the rim without having to dunk. Tyreke doesn’t have a natural play making ability. He is a dribbler, a iso player, and teams have figured out that all they need to do is play him for the dribble, because he isn’t going to hurt you shooting. Tyreke reminds me of Steve Francis without the dynamic athletic ability and the decent shooting.

[khaled_a_dParticipant]

well ,I hope he uses this athleticism to finish more than 39% from the 2PT attempts

[khaled_a_dParticipant]

douple post

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

Derrick Rose and monta ellis below the rim finishers?

is this like a f*cking joke?

[princejamesParticipant]

Yes they both got hops, but they both can also finish lay-ups at a very high level

• Monte Ellis- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BTdslqOTeA
• Derrick Rose- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLzAxh1nvrY

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